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Reply #930 posted 07/01/09 1:02pm

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I meant to say it would make elvis' death look minor. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if his crazy fans rip him out of his casket. We haven't seen a thing yet.that goes for all the people who "knew" him coming out of the woodwork with stories too. As for me, as a musician and an american, i truly hate to lose any of our national treasures it's even worse to lose them in the fashion that michael appears to go out. He had a million victories and still ended up defeated, that is truly sad to me.
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Reply #931 posted 07/01/09 1:03pm

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Does anybody have a pic of this background image?

http://twitter.com/MJJNews



[Edited 7/1/09 13:05pm]
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Reply #932 posted 07/01/09 1:05pm

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So they've just announced there;s no public viewing. pray
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Reply #933 posted 07/01/09 1:06pm

dag

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Does anybody have a pic of this background image?

http://twitter.com/MJJNews

I think I might have it, if I find it, I´ll post it. I sure have other picture of Mike with this girl, holding her, while she´s sooo happy. I even saw a footage of it. She´s standing behind bariers and Mike tells bodyguards to let her in and she instinctly runs into MJ´s arms....It´s so touching and unbelievable in a way because Mike is basically a stranger to her and she´s running to him as if he was her father she has not seen in ages and is happy to see again...

They ain't gonna do that. Never ever ever, lol. As for American coverage, I'm boycotting it. Ain't no way I'm gonna support this shit. In many ways I hate that Michael always gotta be seen as escapism that we don't even wanna deal with death. But I'm dealing with it and I also know the world is problematic. Even with Michael, life should go on as normal but other people just don't see it that way. I can understand how some fans still can't comprehend it but I'm beginning to see how biased people can get. Is a special even necessary anymore?

Special is not necessary, cause I´d be worried what they´d say about him again, but they could just play his videos or something or really his interviews. Our TV has never shown one single interivew with him except for that Bashit one.
I am not sure what you mean by that highlighted part... that me wanting to have a report on him is biased?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #934 posted 07/01/09 1:08pm

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JackieBlue said:

So they've just announced there;s no public viewing. pray

Meaning no public funeral?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #935 posted 07/01/09 1:09pm

suga10

dag said:

JackieBlue said:

So they've just announced there;s no public viewing. pray

Meaning no public funeral?


I think they just mean that there won't be a public viewing to come visit and see the casket where his body is in.
[Edited 7/1/09 13:09pm]
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Reply #936 posted 07/01/09 1:12pm

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dag said:

JackieBlue said:

So they've just announced there;s no public viewing. pray

Meaning no public funeral?



Yeah, what Suga10 said ^^^. The funeral is private and that's on Sunday.

There've been rumors about something at the Staples Center at a later date but everything is speculation.
[Edited 7/1/09 13:12pm]
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Reply #937 posted 07/01/09 1:12pm

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Michael Jackson didn't hve to die!!!!! I'm so sad by that, someone. Should have backed up what the nurse said and got it through mikes thick head that taking a anesthetic is a big no no. Mike molested that kid, I mean hearing about the father give him sodium amerthal while doing dental surgery and admitting hat Mike molested him is believable. The statement rings true too with Mike pulling his crying and "if you don't do it you don't love me" trick. On the brashear interview the hispanic kid said the same thing, mike saying if you don't sleep in the bed with me you don't love me. I don't believe he molested that 2nd kid but it makes Jordans story more believable. I say this cause if the man molested kid, he molested kids and it shouldn't be swept under the rug. That's a pretty big personality flaw.

WTF! Mike said "if you love me, you´ll sleep in the bed" while he slept ON THE FLOOR!!!!!

Damn, why do I bother to reply....


The "If you love me" part is the point. Did he or did that kid, who was sitting right next to Michael Jackson say that? Yes. Does that sound like similar behavior to what Jordan Chandler reported when he said Michael cried and said he must doesn't love him as much as his other friends. After french kissing him. Llets not start with that guy from london who claimed mike jacked off on the phone with him, that guy is 100% credible and I believe him. The fact is Mike had a major flaw in that aspect, his confusion about his sexuality did hurt kids and made him engage in illegal actions.
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Reply #938 posted 07/01/09 1:12pm

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kdj997 said:

Michael Jackson didn't hve to die!!!!! I'm so sad by that, someone. Should have backed up what the nurse said and got it through mikes thick head that taking a anesthetic is a big no no. Mike molested that kid, I mean hearing about the father give him sodium amerthal while doing dental surgery and admitting hat Mike molested him is believable. The statement rings true too with Mike pulling his crying and "if you don't do it you don't love me" trick. On the brashear interview the hispanic kid said the same thing, mike saying if you don't sleep in the bed with me you don't love me. I don't believe he molested that 2nd kid but it makes Jordans story more believable. I say this cause if the man molested kid, he molested kids and it shouldn't be swept under the rug. That's a pretty big personality flaw.


Those accusations are things of the past and definately worthy of debating once his body is buried and has a chance to get cold. As for now though, it's disrespectful to his fans on this board.
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Reply #939 posted 07/01/09 1:13pm

Timmy84

dag said:

lilgish said:

Does anybody have a pic of this background image?

http://twitter.com/MJJNews

I think I might have it, if I find it, I´ll post it. I sure have other picture of Mike with this girl, holding her, while she´s sooo happy. I even saw a footage of it. She´s standing behind bariers and Mike tells bodyguards to let her in and she instinctly runs into MJ´s arms....It´s so touching and unbelievable in a way because Mike is basically a stranger to her and she´s running to him as if he was her father she has not seen in ages and is happy to see again...

They ain't gonna do that. Never ever ever, lol. As for American coverage, I'm boycotting it. Ain't no way I'm gonna support this shit. In many ways I hate that Michael always gotta be seen as escapism that we don't even wanna deal with death. But I'm dealing with it and I also know the world is problematic. Even with Michael, life should go on as normal but other people just don't see it that way. I can understand how some fans still can't comprehend it but I'm beginning to see how biased people can get. Is a special even necessary anymore?

Special is not necessary, cause I´d be worried what they´d say about him again, but they could just play his videos or something or really his interviews. Our TV has never shown one single interivew with him except for that Bashit one.
I am not sure what you mean by that highlighted part... that me wanting to have a report on him is biased?


Where did I say you? hmmm
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Reply #940 posted 07/01/09 1:13pm

Timmy84

JackieBlue said:

dag said:


Meaning no public funeral?



Yeah, what Suga10 said ^^^. The funeral is private and that's on Sunday.

There've been rumors about something at the Staples Center at a later date but everything is speculation.
[Edited 7/1/09 13:12pm]


Staples Center!? confused
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Reply #941 posted 07/01/09 1:14pm

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mozfonky said:

I meant to say it would make elvis' death look minor. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if his crazy fans rip him out of his casket. We haven't seen a thing yet.that goes for all the people who "knew" him coming out of the woodwork with stories too. As for me, as a musician and an american, i truly hate to lose any of our national treasures it's even worse to lose them in the fashion that michael appears to go out. He had a million victories and still ended up defeated, that is truly sad to me.


I wouldn't be surprised either. lol
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Reply #942 posted 07/01/09 1:15pm

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thanks for the pic, i would love to see the video.
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Reply #943 posted 07/01/09 1:15pm

suga10

Jordan Chandler and his father are exortionist A*****

And same with the Arvizos.

Leave the man alone and let him RIP mad
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Reply #944 posted 07/01/09 1:16pm

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JackieBlue said:




Yeah, what Suga10 said ^^^. The funeral is private and that's on Sunday.

There've been rumors about something at the Staples Center at a later date but everything is speculation.
[Edited 7/1/09 13:12pm]


Staples Center!? confused

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Reply #945 posted 07/01/09 1:16pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

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Those accusations are things of the past and definately worthy of debating once his body is buried and has a chance to get cold. As for now though, it's disrespectful to his fans on this board.

yep
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Reply #946 posted 07/01/09 1:16pm

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mozfonky said:

I meant to say it would make elvis' death look minor. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if his crazy fans rip him out of his casket. We haven't seen a thing yet.that goes for all the people who "knew" him coming out of the woodwork with stories too. As for me, as a musician and an american, i truly hate to lose any of our national treasures it's even worse to lose them in the fashion that michael appears to go out. He had a million victories and still ended up defeated, that is truly sad to me.


eek

That's why I'm hopping they don't make his burial site known to the public. We don't want what happened to Charlie Chaplin happen to MJ!
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Reply #947 posted 07/01/09 1:16pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

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Jordan Chandler and his father are exortionist A*****

And same with the Arvizos.

Leave the man alone and let him RIP mad


yeah
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Reply #948 posted 07/01/09 1:17pm

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Timmy84 said:

dag said:


Special is not necessary, cause I´d be worried what they´d say about him again, but they could just play his videos or something or really his interviews. Our TV has never shown one single interivew with him except for that Bashit one.
I am not sure what you mean by that highlighted part... that me wanting to have a report on him is biased?


Where did I say you? hmmm

Sorry, I read it about 5 times trying to figure out what you mean...but don¨t worry about it... lol
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #949 posted 07/01/09 1:18pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

suga10 said:

dag said:


Meaning no public funeral?


I think they just mean that there won't be a public viewing to come visit and see the casket where his body is in.
[Edited 7/1/09 13:09pm]


so whats goin to be televisized?
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Reply #950 posted 07/01/09 1:19pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

suga10 said:



I think they just mean that there won't be a public viewing to come visit and see the casket where his body is in.
[Edited 7/1/09 13:09pm]


so whats goin to be televisized?


Is it going to be like the James Brown funeral?
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Reply #951 posted 07/01/09 1:20pm

Timmy84

trueiopian said:

mozfonky said:

I meant to say it would make elvis' death look minor. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if his crazy fans rip him out of his casket. We haven't seen a thing yet.that goes for all the people who "knew" him coming out of the woodwork with stories too. As for me, as a musician and an american, i truly hate to lose any of our national treasures it's even worse to lose them in the fashion that michael appears to go out. He had a million victories and still ended up defeated, that is truly sad to me.


eek

That's why I'm hopping they don't make his burial site known to the public. We don't want what happened to Charlie Chaplin happen to MJ!


That's what freaks me out about this. And then this again will give the media the chance to say that Michael indeed attracted "crazy fans".
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Reply #952 posted 07/01/09 1:23pm

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Jackson's will cuts out ex-wife Debbie Rowe
AP, Jul 1, 2009 12:24 pm PDT

Michael Jackson's 7-year-old will was filed Wednesday in a Los Angeles court, giving his entire estate to a family trust and cutting out his former wife Debbie Rowe.The will, dated July 7, 2002, estimated his estate at that time at more than $500 million.

It names his mother, Katherine Jackson, as a beneficiary of the trust and the guardian of Jackson's children, who are named in the will.
It also names entertainer Diana Ross as a successor guardian for the children and their estates if something happens to Katherine Jackson.
Ross introduced the Jackson 5 on the Ed Sullivan Show in the late 1960s and was instrumental in launching their career. She was a lifelong friend of Michael Jackson.

Meanwhile, a person familiar with the situation said no public Jackson memorial was planned for Neverland.Santa Barbara officials had discussed the possibility a memorial or public viewing could occur Thursday.But the person, who is not authorized to speak for the family and requested anonymity, said nothing was planned for Neverland at least through Friday. The source said it appears more likely a funeral and burial will take place in Los Angeles. The family has the final say.

The person says billionaire Thomas Barrack, who owns Neverland in a joint venture with Jackson, sought an exemption to bury the singer at the ranch. But the person says it's a complicated process and it couldn't be done for a burial this week.The will gives the entire estate to the Michael Jackson Family Trust. Details of the trust will not be made public.The documents said Jackson's estate consisted almost entirely of "non-cash, non-liquid assets, including primarily an interest in a catalog of music royalty rights which is currently being administered by Sony ATV, and the interests of various entities."
One of Jackson's most lucrative assets is his stake in the massive Sony-ATV Music Publishing Catalog, which includes music by the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond, Lady Gaga and the Jonas Brothers, and is estimated to be worth as much as $2 billion.

Jackson's longtime lawyer John Branca and John McClain, a music executive and a family friend, are named in the will as co-executors.
In a statement, Branca and McClain said: "The most important element of Michael's will is his unwavering desire that his mother, Katherine, become the legal guardian for his three children. As we work to carry out Michael's instructions to safeguard both the future of his children as well as the remarkable legacy he left us as an artist we ask that all matters involving his estate be handled with the dignity and the respect that Michael and his family deserve."

The five-page will is signed by Jackson, and each paragraph includes Jackson's scrawling initials.Jackson, who died Thursday at age 50, left behind three children: son Michael Joseph Jr., known as Prince Michael, 12; daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11; and son Prince Michael II, 7. Rowe was the mother of the two oldest children; the youngest was born to a surrogate mother, who has never been identified.

Katherine Jackson was granted temporary guardianship Monday of Jackson's three children. A judge held off on requests to control the children's estates, and gave her limited control over her son's property.
Rowe, who was married to Jackson in 1996 and filed for divorce three years later, surrendered her parental rights. An appeals court later found that was done in error, and Rowe and Jackson entered an out-of-court settlement in 2006.
Neither Rowe nor her attorneys have indicated whether she intends to seek custody of the two oldest children.

Funeral plans have not yet been announced.

On Tuesday, heavy construction equipment and workers passed through the gates of Neverland Ranch, fueling speculation that it could soon be hosting Jackson's funeral or even a permanent memorial.
Groups of gardeners and florists bearing huge wreaths were also spotted on the 2,500-acre Santa Barbara County property about 120 miles northwest of Los Angeles.

Members of Jackson's family met Tuesday with officials from the Los Angeles police and California Highway Patrol about funeral services. But "details are still pending," according to Fran Clader, a spokeswoman for the patrol. The patrol would need to be consulted if the body was moved from Los Angeles to Neverland.

It was unclear whether Jackson could be legally buried at the ranch. The state's health and safety code makes interring any uncremated remains outside of a cemetery a misdemeanor. Cremated remains can be kept in a home or private mausoleum outside a cemetery.

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Reply #953 posted 07/01/09 1:28pm

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Cutting out? The marriage was bogus 2 begin with.
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Reply #954 posted 07/01/09 1:29pm

Timmy84

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Cutting out? The marriage was bogus 2 begin with.


Pretty much. Plus Debbie still don't want anything to do with the kids. So I don't know about this cutting out business.
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Reply #955 posted 07/01/09 1:33pm

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I agree on people coming out of the woodwork. I always like to give benefit of doubt tho. Sometimes fans talk with such absoluteness as if there could be no other possibility. I will stand by my statement until I hear otherwise altho I may not hear anything at all confused Diana just may be somewhere going WTF but I'll wait to hear from Diana if she bothers to speak.


Diana does not want the spotlight. She's shunned the spotlight because the media had been acting nuts over her "diva actions" that she wanted to live a normal life (and that she has in recent years). So in a way I can't help but think in some sad sick irony that Michael inadvertently is pulling Diana back in the spotlight because they shared a close relationship in the Motown days. This shows you how warped Michael is, how dysfunctional the Jacksons are, and how desperate Michael was to wanna leave his children at the hands of someone he lost contact with. I really feel for Diane at the moment. She barely functioned for a DAY after hearing of Michael's passing but I just can't see her taking that responsibility that I STILL think should be family. Think about it, if you had kids and you knew you were going to not have long to live, would you trust your former teacher to take care of your kids even though you know your brother or sister or aunt or uncle could provide for the kids?


excuse me, but diana ross always kept her family life private. the three girls were raised quietly during the 70s, and in the 80s and 90s when it was the thing to either parade your children voluntarily or endure the paparazzi invading your privacy, diana still managed to keep a low profile and raised her sons out of the spotlight.

so, why is mj 'warped' for wanting to see his kids go to someone, who like him is quite famous, and who has demonstrated the same type of restraint with her kids as he was trying to do with his kids? why do you want the kids with his family above anyone? i think he loved his mother, clearly, but i see the potential for self-serving family members (ahem: joe) to try to use them for their own ends. janet has her own life, la toya is a mess, rebbie may not be able to deal with the level of attention she would receive for having them while diana is used to it. besides, rebbie is related by marriage to stacy brown, an mj hater to the nth degree. while i've not heard of any of his brothers' kids being in trouble, that may be due more to their mothers than his brothers. it may not be as crystal clear as you think. i find it interesting that he didn't attempt to update his will in the last 7 years, as i'm sure he was advised to. maybe he thought it was fine as is.

i'm not certain of the relationship between diana and mj of late; they may have been close in recent years, they may not have been. even if they weren't, why do you assume diana wouldn't try to do what she could for his kids out of her love for mj? she obviously feels a lot for him, as you point out.
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Reply #956 posted 07/01/09 1:34pm

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is patrick doin ok?
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Reply #957 posted 07/01/09 1:34pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:



Diana does not want the spotlight. She's shunned the spotlight because the media had been acting nuts over her "diva actions" that she wanted to live a normal life (and that she has in recent years). So in a way I can't help but think in some sad sick irony that Michael inadvertently is pulling Diana back in the spotlight because they shared a close relationship in the Motown days. This shows you how warped Michael is, how dysfunctional the Jacksons are, and how desperate Michael was to wanna leave his children at the hands of someone he lost contact with. I really feel for Diane at the moment. She barely functioned for a DAY after hearing of Michael's passing but I just can't see her taking that responsibility that I STILL think should be family. Think about it, if you had kids and you knew you were going to not have long to live, would you trust your former teacher to take care of your kids even though you know your brother or sister or aunt or uncle could provide for the kids?


excuse me, but diana ross always kept her family life private. the three girls were raised quietly during the 70s, and in the 80s and 90s when it was the thing to either parade your children voluntarily or endure the paparazzi invading your privacy, diana still managed to keep a low profile and raised her sons out of the spotlight.

so, why is mj 'warped' for wanting to see his kids go to someone, who like him is quite famous, and who has demonstrated the same type of restraint with her kids as he was trying to do with his kids? why do you want the kids with his family above anyone? i think he loved his mother, clearly, but i see the potential for self-serving family members (ahem: joe) to try to use them for their own ends. janet has her own life, la toya is a mess, rebbie may not be able to deal with the level of attention she would receive for having them while diana is used to it. besides, rebbie is related by marriage to stacy brown, an mj hater to the nth degree. while i've not heard of any of his brothers' kids being in trouble, that may be due more to their mothers than his brothers. it may not be as crystal clear as you think. i find it interesting that he didn't attempt to update his will in the last 7 years, as i'm sure he was advised to. maybe he thought it was fine as is.

i'm not certain of the relationship between diana and mj of late; they may have been close in recent years, they may not have been. even if they weren't, why do you assume diana wouldn't try to do what she could for his kids out of her love for mj? she obviously feels a lot for him, as you point out.


That's just it, we don't know, lol.
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Reply #958 posted 07/01/09 1:35pm

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Timmy84 said:

trueiopian said:



eek

That's why I'm hopping they don't make his burial site known to the public. We don't want what happened to Charlie Chaplin happen to MJ!


That's what freaks me out about this. And then this again will give the media the chance to say that Michael indeed attracted "crazy fans".


Well, that part is true. Not all of his fans are crazy but I think some of his biggest fans on the org would agree that some of his fans need to have their ass locked in a rubber room somewhere. lol

I think I read somewhere that it came out that Joe purposely planted "crazy" fainting fans in the audience at some of the concert to add to Michael's hugeness. If this is true, then other fans picked up on it and it just got crazier and crazier. If this is true, it's yet one more thing to blame Joe about.
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Reply #959 posted 07/01/09 1:36pm

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Karl Malden died today and he was born in Gary Indiana.
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