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Printableerrant said: Timmy84 said: Yeah Rebbie would be the perfect guardian. She's the heir apparent to her mother. doesn't she already have her hands full raising all of Janet's secret children?  Ah hell naw.  You know that ain't true.  Even Rebbie denied that. | |
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vainandy said: If I can adjust and move on after my own mama dying, who I loved very much, then they sure as hell can adjust and move on after some entertainer dies that they've never even met. Hell, you don't see Katherine, Janet, Jermaine, LaToya or any of his own family members killing themselves over this. These are the people that are close to him and really know him. Hell, they are adjusting and living. it'i told my best find that was going to be much bigger and much crazier in every concievable way. And by that I meant crazier as well. trust me it's gonna get absolutely nuts. | |
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JackieBlue said: Timmy84 said: Two words: HELL NO. Diana said she hadn't spoken to Michael in YEARS so I pretty much DOUBT that Diana even KNEW about this will. Besides he has a second will doesn't he? I don't know, this all sounds tacky and uncompromising. Michael probably did have a warped mind that he was still close to Diana. Hell the dude was as obsessed with her as some are over Michael.  I don't know how any of us can be so certain tho. I mean none of us are flies on the wall. How often has stuff come out that turned out to be the complete opposite of what we thought we knew or was reported. Michael was working with Evan recently. While he and Diana may not have been kicking it I'm betting there was some communication there. Also I think Traci has had contact but not certain. What we think and what the truth is are two different things. There’s a reason why Michael didn’t choose his sisters. [Edited 7/1/09 12:18pm] Yeah, it´s weird he didn´t choose any of his siblings. I really don´t know what to think about it.... "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I am getting so angry and tired of these "fake" mj fans. Acting that they were fans all the time along. Yet they were the ones who were talking shit and saying Michael wasn't shit. Or I love thriller and act that was the only album michael came out with. Or saying how they were big fans but they have only heard of one or two songs of michael and seen one music video.  | |
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[quote] JackieBlue said: Timmy84 said: Two words: HELL NO. Diana said she hadn't spoken to Michael in YEARS so I pretty much DOUBT that Diana even KNEW about this will. Besides he has a second will doesn't he? I don't know, this all sounds tacky and uncompromising. Michael probably did have a warped mind that he was still close to Diana. Hell the dude was as obsessed with her as some are over Michael. I don't know how any of us can be so certain tho. I mean none of us are flies on the wall. How often has stuff come out that turned out to be the complete opposite of what we thought we knew or was reported. Michael was working with Evan recently. While he and Diana may not have been kicking it I'm betting there was some communication there. Also I think Traci has had contact but not certain. What we think and what the truth is are two different things. There’s a reason why Michael didn’t choose his sisters. Well, at least he knew better than to leave them with LaToya. That motherfucker may be crazy as hell but at least he's got a little bit of sanity. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Timmy84 said: JackieBlue said: I don't know how any of us can be so certain tho. I mean none of us are flies on the wall. How often has stuff come out that turned out to be the complete opposite of what we thought we knew or was reported. Michael was working with Evan recently. While he and Diana may not have been kicking it I'm betting there was some communication there. Also I think Traci has had contact but not certain. What we think and what the truth is are two different things. There’s a reason why Michael didn’t choose his sisters. [Edited 7/1/09 12:18pm] While that could be true, Michael cut himself off from the world (mainly because he didn't trust NOBODY). I love it how people suddenly come out of the blue claiming they work with him (maybe that was Michael because he hated it when people leaked info like that). Even if some of his siblings were as messed up as he was, doesn't mean I wouldn't trust them to someone who used to be close during the Motown days but lost contact afterwards. It may have been real recent that Michael and Evan began "collaborating" as it may, so as much as we think we know, same can be said about Michael during the time the will was first posted in 2002. This wasn't the 2009 will. [Edited 7/1/09 12:23pm] I agree on people coming out of the woodwork. I always like to give benefit of doubt tho. Sometimes fans talk with such absoluteness as if there could be no other possibility. I will stand by my statement until I hear otherwise altho I may not hear anything at all Diana just may be somewhere going WTF but I'll wait to hear from Diana if she bothers to speak.Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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vainandy said: I don't know how any of us can be so certain tho. I mean none of us are flies on the wall. How often has stuff come out that turned out to be the complete opposite of what we thought we knew or was reported. Michael was working with Evan recently. While he and Diana may not have been kicking it I'm betting there was some communication there. Also I think Traci has had contact but not certain. What we think and what the truth is are two different things. There’s a reason why Michael didn’t choose his sisters. Well, at least he knew better than to leave them with LaToya. That motherfucker may be crazy as hell but at least he's got a little bit of sanity. I can understand La Toya but Rebbie and Janet too? | |
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Timmy84 said: vainandy said: Well, at least he knew better than to leave them with LaToya. That motherfucker may be crazy as hell but at least he's got a little bit of sanity. I can understand La Toya but Rebbie and Janet too? Rebbie said, I'm done raising kids! and Janet is not really trying to be around some youngsters. How she gonna go to the strip club with Jermaine and three kids? [Edited 7/1/09 12:31pm] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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The whole family is crazy
I mean just look at the mess between Randy and Jermaine. | |
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tired of the media and people talking about michael's personal life. THE MAN JUST DIED....HAVE SOME RESPECT. Most of these people have no idea what they are talking about. People never wanted to get the truth when it came to michael...just wanted to sensationalize...now trying find it when the fans have been trying to tell people for years this. I am beyond angry at the treatment of michael's death. | |
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JackieBlue said: Timmy84 said: While that could be true, Michael cut himself off from the world (mainly because he didn't trust NOBODY). I love it how people suddenly come out of the blue claiming they work with him (maybe that was Michael because he hated it when people leaked info like that). Even if some of his siblings were as messed up as he was, doesn't mean I wouldn't trust them to someone who used to be close during the Motown days but lost contact afterwards. It may have been real recent that Michael and Evan began "collaborating" as it may, so as much as we think we know, same can be said about Michael during the time the will was first posted in 2002. This wasn't the 2009 will. [Edited 7/1/09 12:23pm] I agree on people coming out of the woodwork. I always like to give benefit of doubt tho. Sometimes fans talk with such absoluteness as if there could be no other possibility. I will stand by my statement until I hear otherwise altho I may not hear anything at all Diana just may be somewhere going WTF but I'll wait to hear from Diana if she bothers to speak.Diana does not want the spotlight. She's shunned the spotlight because the media had been acting nuts over her "diva actions" that she wanted to live a normal life (and that she has in recent years). So in a way I can't help but think in some sad sick irony that Michael inadvertently is pulling Diana back in the spotlight because they shared a close relationship in the Motown days. This shows you how warped Michael is, how dysfunctional the Jacksons are, and how desperate Michael was to wanna leave his children at the hands of someone he lost contact with. I really feel for Diane at the moment. She barely functioned for a DAY after hearing of Michael's passing but I just can't see her taking that responsibility that I STILL think should be family. Think about it, if you had kids and you knew you were going to not have long to live, would you trust your former teacher to take care of your kids even though you know your brother or sister or aunt or uncle could provide for the kids? | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: tired of the media and people talking about michael's personal life. THE MAN JUST DIED....HAVE SOME RESPECT. Most of these people have no idea what they are talking about. People never wanted to get the truth when it came to michael...just wanted to sensationalize...now trying find it when the fans have been trying to tell people for years this. I am beyond angry at the treatment of michael's death.
If Michael had more forthcoming about his personal life and not tried to be all mysterious, this mess would not be happening right now. | |
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JackieBlue said: Timmy84 said: I can understand La Toya but Rebbie and Janet too? Rebbie said, I'm done raising kids! and Janet is not really trying to be around some youngsters. How she gonna go to the strip club with Jermaine and three kids? [Edited 7/1/09 12:31pm] Ain't Janet been around JD's own kid? Just saying... lol | |
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and how now America wants to claim MIchael as their own and are so proud of him now. What a bunch of BS. I strongly believe and call me crazy, I don't care, that the media especially the American media is partly to blame for Michael's death. | |
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suga10 said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: tired of the media and people talking about michael's personal life. THE MAN JUST DIED....HAVE SOME RESPECT. Most of these people have no idea what they are talking about. People never wanted to get the truth when it came to michael...just wanted to sensationalize...now trying find it when the fans have been trying to tell people for years this. I am beyond angry at the treatment of michael's death.
If Michael had more forthcoming about his personal life and not tried to be all mysterious, this mess would not be happening right now. I agree to an extent. Americans are so obessed with pop culture and celebrities personal lives...it's killing them. We have more important things to worry about. | |
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mozfonky said: vainandy said: If I can adjust and move on after my own mama dying, who I loved very much, then they sure as hell can adjust and move on after some entertainer dies that they've never even met. Hell, you don't see Katherine, Janet, Jermaine, LaToya or any of his own family members killing themselves over this. These are the people that are close to him and really know him. Hell, they are adjusting and living. it'i told my best find that was going to be much bigger and much crazier in every concievable way. And by that I meant crazier as well. trust me it's gonna get absolutely nuts. It's already gotten nuts. | |
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Graycap23 said: V I appointJOHNBRANCA,JOHNMcCLAINandBARRYSlliGEL as co-Executors Y . of thisWill. In the eventof anyof theirdeaths,resignations, inability,failureor refusaltM " serveor continueto serve as a co-Executor,the other shall S'erveandno replacementneedbe named. The co-Executors serving at"any time after my death may name one or more replacementsto serve in the eventthat none of the threenamedindividualsis willingor able to serveat anytime. The term "my executors"as used in this Will shall include any duly actingperson~ A11 fl breopnrde.sentativeor representativesof my estate. No individual acting as such need post avv {f-' I hereby give to my Executors,full power and authorityat any time or times to sell, lease, mortgage, pledge, exchange or otherwise dispose of the property, whether real or, personal comprising my estate, upon such terms as my Executors shall deem best, to continueanybusinessenterprises,to purchaseassetsftommy estate,to continuein forceand Page 2 pay insurance premiums on any insurancepolicy, includinglife insurance,owned by my estate,and for any of the foregoingpurposesto make,executeanddeliveranyand all deeds, contracts,mortgages,bills of sale or other instrumentsnecessary or desirabletherefor. In addition,I give to my Executorsfull powerto investandreinvestthe estatefunds and assets in any kind of property,real, personalor mixed, and everykind of investment,specifically including, but not by way of limitation,corporate obligations of every kind and stocks, preferredor common,and interestsin investmenttrusts and sharesin investmentcompanies, and anycommontrust fund administeredby anycorporateexecutorhereunder,whichmenof prudentdiscretionandintelligenceacquirefor theirownaccount. CNN just finished reporting on this part. They are saying who are these people. . . . [Edited 7/1/09 12:45pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Geez, the media is having a field day with the death of MJ, huh? | |
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Timmy84 said: JackieBlue said: I agree on people coming out of the woodwork. I always like to give benefit of doubt tho. Sometimes fans talk with such absoluteness as if there could be no other possibility. I will stand by my statement until I hear otherwise altho I may not hear anything at all Diana just may be somewhere going WTF but I'll wait to hear from Diana if she bothers to speak.Diana does not want the spotlight. She's shunned the spotlight because the media had been acting nuts over her "diva actions" that she wanted to live a normal life (and that she has in recent years). So in a way I can't help but think in some sad sick irony that Michael inadvertently is pulling Diana back in the spotlight because they shared a close relationship in the Motown days. This shows you how warped Michael is, how dysfunctional the Jacksons are, and how desperate Michael was to wanna leave his children at the hands of someone he lost contact with. I really feel for Diane at the moment. She barely functioned for a DAY after hearing of Michael's passing but I just can't see her taking that responsibility that I STILL think should be family. Think about it, if you had kids and you knew you were going to not have long to live, would you trust your former teacher to take care of your kids even though you know your brother or sister or aunt or uncle could provide for the kids? Edited: I took it to an org note. [Edited 7/1/09 12:49pm] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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i just wish i could wake up from this nightmare....this seems so unreal. | |
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JackieBlue said: Timmy84 said: Diana does not want the spotlight. She's shunned the spotlight because the media had been acting nuts over her "diva actions" that she wanted to live a normal life (and that she has in recent years). So in a way I can't help but think in some sad sick irony that Michael inadvertently is pulling Diana back in the spotlight because they shared a close relationship in the Motown days. This shows you how warped Michael is, how dysfunctional the Jacksons are, and how desperate Michael was to wanna leave his children at the hands of someone he lost contact with. I really feel for Diane at the moment. She barely functioned for a DAY after hearing of Michael's passing but I just can't see her taking that responsibility that I STILL think should be family. Think about it, if you had kids and you knew you were going to not have long to live, would you trust your former teacher to take care of your kids even though you know your brother or sister or aunt or uncle could provide for the kids?  So many aspects. We need to do lunch. Well, first it did cross my mind about thrusting Diana back in the spotlight. You think it should be family but you stated that they are dysfunctional. Maybe Diana is not the best choice and maybe his family is not the best choice either. Would I trust my former teacher to take care of my children? Yes, if I thought they were more fitting than my siblings. In most cases there needs to be a discussion with the elected guardian and she could be named guardian for a specific time period (especially since Diana herself is 60+) altho I think it would have stated that in the will unless he had other arrangements. Even if the siblings are more seemigly fitting, we don't know enough to say one way or the other. And of course, Diana can always decline.Ah I see you took it an ORG note, hold up... [Edited 7/1/09 12:54pm] | |
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The Diana Ross part is really in the will  Read it | |
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lilgish said: The Diana Ross part is really in the will
Read itUh I think we got that already. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: i just wish i could wake up from this nightmare....this seems so unreal.
Well, over here, nothing much ain´t happening. They showed a longer reports on the news, but I am not aware of our TV making any special programms about him to honour him. I am glad that they do not speculate about that s*** that US stations are, but I wish they would honour him much more. They just do here and there report on söme tiny (sometimes stupid, tabloid) piece of information, but that´s about it. I wish they would play some of his interviews, show his videos etc.... "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Michael Jackson didn't hve to die!!!!! I'm so sad by that, someone. Should have backed up what the nurse said and got it through mikes thick head that taking a anesthetic is a big no no. Mike molested that kid, I mean hearing about the father give him sodium amerthal while doing dental surgery and admitting hat Mike molested him is believable. The statement rings true too with Mike pulling his crying and "if you don't do it you don't love me" trick. On the brashear interview the hispanic kid said the same thing, mike saying if you don't sleep in the bed with me you don't love me. I don't believe he molested that 2nd kid but it makes Jordans story more believable. I say this cause if the man molested kid, he molested kids and it shouldn't be swept under the rug. That's a pretty big personality flaw. | |
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kdj997 said: Michael Jackson didn't hve to die!!!!! I'm so sad by that, someone. Should have backed up what the nurse said and got it through mikes thick head that taking a anesthetic is a big no no. Mike molested that kid, I mean hearing about the father give him sodium amerthal while doing dental surgery and admitting hat Mike molested him is believable. The statement rings true too with Mike pulling his crying and "if you don't do it you don't love me" trick. On the brashear interview the hispanic kid said the same thing, mike saying if you don't sleep in the bed with me you don't love me. I don't believe he molested that 2nd kid but it makes Jordans story more believable. I say this cause if the man molested kid, he molested kids and it shouldn't be swept under the rug. That's a pretty big personality flaw.
WTF! Mike said "if you love me, you´ll sleep in the bed" while he slept ON THE FLOOR!!!!! Damn, why do I bother to reply.... "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: i just wish i could wake up from this nightmare....this seems so unreal.
Well, over here, nothing much ain´t happening. They showed a longer reports on the news, but I am not aware of our TV making any special programms about him to honour him. I am glad that they do not speculate about that s*** that US stations are, but I wish they would honour him much more. They just do here and there report on söme tiny (sometimes stupid, tabloid) piece of information, but that´s about it. I wish they would play some of his interviews, show his videos etc.... They ain't gonna do that. Never ever ever, lol. As for American coverage, I'm boycotting it. Ain't no way I'm gonna support this shit. In many ways I hate that Michael always gotta be seen as escapism that we don't even wanna deal with death. But I'm dealing with it and I also know the world is problematic. Even with Michael, life should go on as normal but other people just don't see it that way. I can understand how some fans still can't comprehend it but I'm beginning to see how biased people can get. Is a special even necessary anymore? | |
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