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Reply #630 posted 06/27/09 7:29pm

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Timmy84 said:

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.


I love Michael because of his music and for the things that he did that were great for the music business AND for music as an artform.

THAT is the main reason why I will miss him. He is still my musical elder that deserves to be treated with Respect.
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Reply #631 posted 06/27/09 7:33pm

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Jackson Family Issues Statement to Fans

The Jackson family issued a statement Saturday, conveyed by family patriarch Joseph Jackson. In full,

it reads:



In one of the darkest moments of our lives we find it hard to find the words appropriate to this sudden tragedy we all had to encounter. Our beloved son, brother and father of three children has gone so unexpectedly, in such a tragic way and much too soon. It leaves us, his family, speechless and devastated to a point, where communication with the outside world seems almost impossible at times.

We miss Michael endlessly, our pain cannot be described in words. But Michael would not want us to give up now. So we want to thank all of his faithful supporters and loyal fans worldwide, you – who Michael loved so much. Please do not despair, because Michael will continue to live on in each and every one of you. Continue to spread his message, because that is what he would want you to do. Carry on, so his legacy will live forever.

In addition, Joseph Jackson wishes to personally convey: "My grandchildren are deeply moved by all the love and support you have shown for them and their father, Michael Jackson."
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Reply #632 posted 06/27/09 7:35pm

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i was over at the huffington post and read blog from earl ofari hutchinson about mj. one of the things he said surprised me.

apparently although the heal the world foundation ran into some problems starting in 2002, it had recently been infused with more cash in 2008. mj supported over 40 charities under its auspices. he said that's the mj he would remember.

not bad for a man who so broke he couldn't afford to buy balloons for paris' b-day (according to so-called interview with grace in the daily mail). cool
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Reply #633 posted 06/27/09 7:36pm

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trueiopian said:



7 fans commit suicide disbelief

I can't watch this. Who is this guy? Weirdest intv ever confused
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #634 posted 06/27/09 7:38pm

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7 fans commit suicide disbelief


Damn. omg disbelief
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Reply #635 posted 06/27/09 7:39pm

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kibbles said:[quote]i was over at the huffington post and read blog from earl ofari hutchinson about mj. one of the things he said surprised me.

apparently although the heal the world foundation ran into some problems starting in 2002, it had recently been infused with more cash in 2008. mj supported over 40 charities under its auspices. he said that's the mj he would remember.

not bad for a man who so broke he couldn't afford to buy balloons for paris' b-day (according to so-called interview with grace in the daily mail). cool[/quote

You know, this is why I don't believe everything that I read. I recently read an interview with Wyclef. He said, that it was Michael's scholarship fund, that made it possible for him to go to school.
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #636 posted 06/27/09 7:40pm

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2elijah said:

kenlacam said:

Even though I still shed many tears for the great loss, a part of me is still in denial that Mike is gone. It is just too painful to come to grips with. And I am very angry at the media for giving him his props too late. WHere was all this attention when he was among us? Why has amazon.com sold out of everything Michael related now? WHere was all of this when he was living? He is/was the greatest! It's a shame that he had to die before people would wake up and see his genius.
Even still.
You will be missed, Michael, and this world feels much emptier now. sad
RIP.


True, such a shame. especially how the media smeared him so bad during the trial. Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace were just s few of the ones that were on the forefront promoting so much negativity towards him.I After that trial, which put major stress on him of course, that is when I noticed his health started taking a turn for the worse, as he was hospitalized quite a few times during it. Such a shame.
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the man who jumped up on top of that van in defiance at the arraignment was not the same one who walked out that courtroom a little over a year later. he was half his size from before and after 4 years he never regained the weight that he'd lost. he was the walking wounded.
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Reply #637 posted 06/27/09 7:44pm

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LA Times: Like Other Creative Geniuses Before Him, Michael Turned Isolation Into An Art
June 27


Of all the myths enshrouding Michael Jackson's too-brief life, none was more potent than his image as the isolated artist, the tormented creative soul cut off from ordinary mortals.

It's an archetype with a strongly American pedigree, as grizzled and hoary as Citizen Kane clutching his snow globe while he sits alone in Xanadu, brooding on happier days.

Thoreau took to his cabin in the woods. Howard Hughes hid out buck-naked in germ-free hotels. Elvis holed up in Graceland under the sway of drugs and a byzantine retinue of friends and false comforters. J.D. Salinger squats behind his New England stockade, emerging every few years to threaten some or other writer with a lawsuit.


And let's not forget Gatsby, vanishing into the mob scene at his own lavish parties, or Norma Desmond, sustained by her delusional grandeur as she rots away in her Sunset Boulevard mansion with her stuffed pet chimp. (What is it about celebrity seclusion and simian fellowship?)

But few have inhabited the role of the reclusive eccentric more fully than Jackson, who at the time of his death, although decades past his prime, was still big -- at least to himself and the millions of us who came of age grooving and lip-syncing to his songs. It's pop music that got small.

Close friends described Jackson as the loneliest person they ever knew, entombed in his own celebrity, prematurely embalmed in his own legend. The King of Pop, who favored faux-military outfits, complete with braids and epaulets, lived out his adulthood as the sovereign ruler of his own private realm, Neverland, where normal codes of behavior didn't apply and the laws and taboos of the outside world didn't necessarily obtain.

The most painfully self-conscious of superstars, Jackson skillfully cultivated his own aura of apartness. In his later years during public appearances he was surrounded by bodyguards, his face sometimes obscured by a surgical mask or shaded under an umbrella, like a figure in a Magritte painting, as if he might wilt in the mega-watt glare of the omnipresent paparazzi.

"In a crowd, I'm afraid," he said. "Onstage, I feel safe."

His willful isolation turned him into an obscure object of desire, a human tchotchke, apparently so delicate that it might break if mishandled. Contemporary sculptor Jeff Koons recognized the fact in his 1988 work "Michael Jackson and Bubbles," in which he rendered the singer and his primate playmate in ceramic, as if they were a Dresden shepherd and shepherdess. "Look," Jackson's persona told his adoring masses, "but don't touch."

A famous person's impulse to withdraw may reflect either arrogance or humility. It may be a misanthropic turning of one's back or a desperate attempt to shield one's vulnerability, as seemed to happen with Judy Garland before her death at age 47.

Whatever was Jackson's motive, his decision echoed in his songs. Earlier in his career, the theme from "Ben" (a movie about a boy whose closest friend is a rat) was superficially sweet but left a cloying, queasy aftertaste. At the height of Jackson's fame and influence, "Thriller" (the John Landis video more than the song) playfully hinted at a frightening alter ego lurking inside the handsome, charismatic performer.

A couple of years later, with "Bad," Jackson's push-pull relationship toward his growing celebrity versus his desire for privacy made him ditch the tuxedo-clad dreamboat image he affected in "Off the Wall" and the seductive cover shot of "Thriller." For "Bad" he wore a black biker jacket and something closer to a scowl than a smile while warning others to keep their distance in the late '80s hit tune "Leave Me Alone."

It was quite a change from the adorable little boy with an Afro and funky clothes pleading "I Want You Back," or "Human Nature's" lovely, gauzy yearning for contact with a warm female presence and a giant city beyond the bedroom walls.

Jackson himself never made any secret of why he felt the need to retreat into a labyrinth of solitude. His Rosebud, of course, was exactly the same as Charles Foster Kane's. It was the childhood that had been stolen from him. "I never had the chance to do the fun things kids do," Jackson once said. "There was no Christmas, no holiday celebrating. So now you try to compensate for some of that loss."

By far the most troubling aspect of Jackson's withdrawal was the issue of whether he ever abused any of the children he invited to visit his fantasy world. Fans and cultural historians will be debating for years to come whether Jackson's self-exile was more a case of pathos or pathology, a misunderstood man's involuntary retreat into his own psyche, or a predator's escape into a safe house.

For a great artist, which Jackson unquestionably was, cultivating a rich creative life doesn't have to mean dropping out of the human race. Thoreau, in actuality, was no recluse. He received visitors regularly at Walden and remained vitally engaged with the community around him and with the issues of the day. He maintained his hermetic equilibrium by keeping the emotional and physical clutter around him to a minimum.

Jackson's solitude was more like Kane's, surrounded by gilded objects and haunted by the specter of irrelevance. One of Jackson's great achievements was to prove that a black man could attain the accouterments of the American dream in extremis -- money, mansions, global adulation -- armed with little more than his own prodigious talent. His greatest personal tragedy was to discover how poorly those trophies compensate for whatever else may be missing in a human life.
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Reply #638 posted 06/27/09 7:45pm

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shorttrini said:[quote]

kibbles said:

i was over at the huffington post and read blog from earl ofari hutchinson about mj. one of the things he said surprised me.

apparently although the heal the world foundation ran into some problems starting in 2002, it had recently been infused with more cash in 2008. mj supported over 40 charities under its auspices. he said that's the mj he would remember.

not bad for a man who so broke he couldn't afford to buy balloons for paris' b-day (according to so-called interview with grace in the daily mail). cool[/quote

You know, this is why I don't believe everything that I read. I recently read an interview with Wyclef. He said, that it was Michael's scholarship fund, that made it possible for him to go to school.


wow. you just never know. scratch that, we really did know this about mj. from we are the world to giving away the proceeds from the victory tour to neverland itself. we knew this about mj.
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Reply #639 posted 06/27/09 7:45pm

2elijah

Even the youngest of fans are feeling the loss:

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Reply #640 posted 06/27/09 7:46pm

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http://www.hindu.com/theh...271680.htm

wow
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Reply #641 posted 06/27/09 7:51pm

2elijah

kibbles said:

2elijah said:



True, such a shame. especially how the media smeared him so bad during the trial. Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace were just s few of the ones that were on the forefront promoting so much negativity towards him.I After that trial, which put major stress on him of course, that is when I noticed his health started taking a turn for the worse, as he was hospitalized quite a few times during it. Such a shame.
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the man who jumped up on top of that van in defiance at the arraignment was not the same one who walked out that courtroom a little over a year later. he was half his size from before and after 4 years he never regained the weight that he'd lost. he was the walking wounded.


True, that is when I noticed he started to look frail.
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Reply #642 posted 06/27/09 7:53pm

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japanrocks said:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200906271680.htm

wow
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Yes, that is sad and that story is posted a couple of posts up. So far it's been reported 7 fans committed suicide over MJ's death. Very sad indeed.
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Reply #643 posted 06/27/09 7:59pm

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Timmy84 said:

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.

I'm not sure how old you are but i think it depends on when you became a fan. People who became fans in the late 80's, 90's and 00's I think are more inclined to feel the more personal connection. Oh I just see you have 84 in your name, so you're quite young? You come across more like one of the older fans


Early 80's, or late 70's
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Reply #644 posted 06/27/09 8:04pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.


I love Michael because of his music and for the things that he did that were great for the music business AND for music as an artform.

THAT is the main reason why I will miss him. He is still my musical elder that deserves to be treated with Respect.
wink


That's the way it is for me, lol.
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Reply #645 posted 06/27/09 8:06pm

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One of the saddest things I've seen so far is a reporter somewhere in Europe I think telling a group of men that Michael had passed...two of them walked away seemingly stunned, one kept asking if it was true but one dropped to the ground and I think I heard him crying or moaning. It was hard to see such an immediate painful reaction.
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Reply #646 posted 06/27/09 8:07pm

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Arnotts said:

Timmy84 said:

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.

I'm not sure how old you are but i think it depends on when you became a fan. People who became fans in the late 80's, 90's and 00's I think are more inclined to feel the more personal connection. Oh I just see you have 84 in your name, so you're quite young? You come across more like one of the older fans
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Yeah I'm only 25. I know you probably expected me to freak out and cry for days because of this but that's where I differ. Yeah I'm part of the "Bad"/"Dangerous" eras but my adoration don't go so far where I cry myself to sleep because an idol of mine's died. At the end he was a human being who just happened to touch lives with his music. And besides I have only good memories of him though I can't shake the bad. Knowing he's at peace, I find no compunction to cry nor feel like life ain't worth it. But I don't think it's age, there's people of all ages crying, I don't know if I'm a bad fan for not wanting to cry either. shrug
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Reply #647 posted 06/27/09 8:07pm

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JackieBlue said:

One of the saddest things I've seen so far is a reporter somewhere in Europe I think telling a group of men that Michael had passed...two of them walked away seemingly stunned, one kept asking if it was true but one dropped to the ground and I think I heard him crying or moaning. It was hard to see such an immediate painful reaction.


Where did you see this?
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Reply #648 posted 06/27/09 8:09pm

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trueiopian said:

JackieBlue said:

One of the saddest things I've seen so far is a reporter somewhere in Europe I think telling a group of men that Michael had passed...two of them walked away seemingly stunned, one kept asking if it was true but one dropped to the ground and I think I heard him crying or moaning. It was hard to see such an immediate painful reaction.


Where did you see this?


CNN.
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #649 posted 06/27/09 8:15pm

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heartbeatocean said:

Arnotts said:


I'm not sure how old you are but i think it depends on when you became a fan. People who became fans in the late 80's, 90's and 00's I think are more inclined to feel the more personal connection. Oh I just see you have 84 in your name, so you're quite young? You come across more like one of the older fans


Early 80's, or late 70's
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Sorry, what do you mean?
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Reply #650 posted 06/27/09 8:15pm

Timmy84

Arnotts said:

heartbeatocean said:



Early 80's, or late 70's
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Sorry, what do you mean?


Guess she's saying what era of a fan she was. shrug
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Reply #651 posted 06/27/09 8:34pm

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Timmy84 said:

Arnotts said:


I'm not sure how old you are but i think it depends on when you became a fan. People who became fans in the late 80's, 90's and 00's I think are more inclined to feel the more personal connection. Oh I just see you have 84 in your name, so you're quite young? You come across more like one of the older fans
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Yeah I'm only 25. I know you probably expected me to freak out and cry for days because of this but that's where I differ. Yeah I'm part of the "Bad"/"Dangerous" eras but my adoration don't go so far where I cry myself to sleep because an idol of mine's died. At the end he was a human being who just happened to touch lives with his music. And besides I have only good memories of him though I can't shake the bad. Knowing he's at peace, I find no compunction to cry nor feel like life ain't worth it. But I don't think it's age, there's people of all ages crying, I don't know if I'm a bad fan for not wanting to cry either. shrug
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Of course you're not a bad fan, everybody's different. As big a Prince fan as I am I doubt I'll shed tears if he goes before I do. I'll feel sad but I'm guessing that'll be it. I know what its like to really lose someone close to me, & celebrities don't fall under that umbrella in terms of feeling it personally. We're all different, just do you hug
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #652 posted 06/27/09 8:45pm

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CalhounSq said:

Timmy84 said:



Yeah I'm only 25. I know you probably expected me to freak out and cry for days because of this but that's where I differ. Yeah I'm part of the "Bad"/"Dangerous" eras but my adoration don't go so far where I cry myself to sleep because an idol of mine's died. At the end he was a human being who just happened to touch lives with his music. And besides I have only good memories of him though I can't shake the bad. Knowing he's at peace, I find no compunction to cry nor feel like life ain't worth it. But I don't think it's age, there's people of all ages crying, I don't know if I'm a bad fan for not wanting to cry either. shrug
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Of course you're not a bad fan, everybody's different. As big a Prince fan as I am I doubt I'll shed tears if he goes before I do. I'll feel sad but I'm guessing that'll be it. I know what its like to really lose someone close to me, & celebrities don't fall under that umbrella in terms of feeling it personally. We're all different, just do you hug


Thanks. thumbs up!
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Reply #653 posted 06/27/09 8:49pm

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2elijah said:

kenlacam said:

Even though I still shed many tears for the great loss, a part of me is still in denial that Mike is gone. It is just too painful to come to grips with. And I am very angry at the media for giving him his props too late. WHere was all this attention when he was among us? Why has amazon.com sold out of everything Michael related now? WHere was all of this when he was living? He is/was the greatest! It's a shame that he had to die before people would wake up and see his genius.
Even still.
You will be missed, Michael, and this world feels much emptier now. sad
RIP.


True, such a shame. especially how the media smeared him so bad during the trial. Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace were just s few of the ones that were on the forefront promoting so much negativity towards him.I After that trial, which put major stress on him of course, that is when I noticed his health started taking a turn for the worse, as he was hospitalized quite a few times during it. Such a shame.
[Edited 6/27/09 19:29pm]


They are still smearing him they are just doing it in a more hidden way. The "News of the World" a british paper, have already got two articles that are damaging; The Jordan Chandler case and the fact that Debbie Rowe has said Prince & Paris are not MJ biological children.
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Reply #654 posted 06/27/09 8:53pm

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whatsgoingon said:

2elijah said:



True, such a shame. especially how the media smeared him so bad during the trial. Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace were just s few of the ones that were on the forefront promoting so much negativity towards him.I After that trial, which put major stress on him of course, that is when I noticed his health started taking a turn for the worse, as he was hospitalized quite a few times during it. Such a shame.
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They are still smearing him they are just doing it in a more hidden way. The "News of the World" a british paper, have already got two articles that are damaging; The Jordan Chandler case and the fact that Debbie Rowe has said Prince & Paris are not MJ biological children.


I know none of y'all expected anything different, did ya?
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Reply #655 posted 06/27/09 9:12pm

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This thing is getting really ugly right now.

The sensationalism has already begun! Just watch Fox News.
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Reply #656 posted 06/27/09 9:19pm

Timmy84

suga10 said:

This thing is getting really ugly right now.

The sensationalism has already begun! Just watch Fox News.


Uh hell naw. Ignore it. Y'all forgot that?
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Reply #657 posted 06/27/09 9:22pm

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sad



http://www.people.com/peo...68,00.html

Joe Jackson: 'We Don't Like What's Going On'

By Champ Clark and Lorenzo Benet

Originally posted Saturday June 27, 2009 03:25 PM EDT
Joe and Michael Jackson Photo by: Kimberly White-Pool / GettyJoe Jackson: 'We Don't Like What's Going On' | Joe Jackson, Michael Jackson
A day after Michael Jackson's death, a cloud of deep sadness – mixed with growing anger – has descended on the Jackson family home in Encino, where Joe and Katherine Jackson and their children have gathered to mourn.

"We're holding a family meeting now," Joe told PEOPLE in a brief interview midday. "We don't like what's going on."

A source close to the family tell PEOPLE that, while the adults of the family put up a brave front on Friday for Michael's three children – Prince, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, 7 – the emotions on Saturday are raw and bitter.

'The Sadness is Unreal'
"The kids have fallen apart today," says the source. "They have taken it so, so hard. Yesterday everybody was being really strong for the kids, but today it just hit everybody. There are so many tears."

A sharp division has opened between Michael Jackson's lawyers and personal staff and his parents and eight siblings.

"There is so much sadness in the house today, it's unreal. They are so confused. They are so in the dark," says the source. "The family has no access to the will. [Michael's lawyers] won't let the family see the will ... The family has no idea what to do. They don't even know when to bury him. They don't know what to do about anything. They aren't getting any answers from Michael's lawyers."

Mrs. Jackson Rebuffed
Even Katherine Jackson, the singer's mother, has been rebuffed by Michael's camp, according to the source. "Michael's people won't give Mrs. Jackson anything."

Another source of deep concern for the family: The intentions of Debbie Rowe, Jackson's former wife and the mother of his two older children, whose lawyer yesterday confirmed that Rowe retains parental rights. The Jacksons apparently fear that Rowe, who has not lived with the children in years, may now want to raise them.

"They haven’t heard from Debbie Rowe and don’t know what’s going on in that respect, either. Joe and Katherine really want the children," says the source. "They for sure want the children."

Independent Autopsy
Another source close to the family tells PEOPLE that the family is so concerned about the reliability of Jackson's handlers that there is a possibility that patriarch Joe Jackson, now acting once again as the family chief, will request an independent autopsy.

"They're in shock and they want answers," the source says. "The issue is the people around him: vampires and blood suckers.”

About the only positive development, says this source, is the rare sense of unity that now unites the large and fractious family. "They are coming together and Joe is running the show. It was tough for them all growing up, but the parents never stole from Michael and they had his best interests at heart."

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Reply #659 posted 06/27/09 9:35pm

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Timmy84 said:

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.


Yeah, I understand your sentiment. That's how I feel about the few other artists/celebrities I study and admire, including Prince. If they were to unfortunately pass away soon, or had left before MJ, I'd be sad of course, but I would not react the way I have with Michael. They are some of the most original and fantastic artists, but not Michael Jackson to me. I've loved him for more than just his pioneering art work and spectacular imagery....I can't say that about any other living famous person.

I'm starting to be able to listen to MJ's songs again though. Not all of them, but one in particular that I've been able to blast today on repeat without crying is "Another Part Of Me," (which is my second favorite song of all time). I've listened to that song with headphones, on my stereo systems, and in my car darn-near thousands of times throughout my life, and today it amazingly sounded better than it ever has before. Incredible.

I will always say this: Michael Jackson is the most superlative male singing voice ever recorded. That has been, and always will be fact to me. And I believe he still would have astounded the world vocally if he had been able to release new music in the future....
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