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Reply #600 posted 06/27/09 6:02pm

suga10

I feel sick reading that article regarding what Grace said.

It seems like he was never physically capable of doing these concerts at all.

Randy Phillips- you greedy man taking advantage of a man who was beyond capable of performing concerts. mad
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Reply #601 posted 06/27/09 6:04pm

Timmy84

suga10 said:

I feel sick reading that article regarding what Grace said.

It seems like he was never physically capable of doing these concerts at all.

Randy Phillips- you greedy man taking advantage of a man who was beyond capable of performing concerts. mad


AEG Live had a LOT in stake for the concerts. They're gonna lose a lot of money. o2 can rebook anyways. I would've been fine with ONE final show. Remember reading about the three-year thing?
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Reply #602 posted 06/27/09 6:06pm

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Hell to the naw I haven't heard that! I hope that is NOT true!

SUICIDE is NEVER the answer!!! eek


It is. I just saw the video of a reporter stating that 7 fans have in fact killed themselves over at CNN.

Absolute madness! That is not going to bring him back. What were they thinking?! My god I know they are hurting, so many of us MJ fans are, but that is not going to bring him back.
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Reply #603 posted 06/27/09 6:10pm

Timmy84

Cinnamon234 said:

Chic35 said:



Hell to the naw I haven't heard that! I hope that is NOT true!

SUICIDE is NEVER the answer!!! eek


It is. I just saw the video of a reporter stating that 7 fans have in fact killed themselves over at CNN.

Absolute madness! That is not going to bring him back. What were they thinking?! My god I know they are hurting, so many of us MJ fans are, but that is not going to bring him back.

This is just some bullshit. mad
But why am I not surprised? I bet there were suicide notes at MJ sites? eek
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Reply #604 posted 06/27/09 6:10pm

Arnotts

Chic35 said:

Here is an interesting interview on Michael Jackson. It's talking about his addiction...

Deepak Chopra


I heard of Michael abusing prescription drugs, but damn NOT to these great lengths! eek

That was one of the most touching things I've ever heard said about michael. And I completely agree with what the interviewer said at the end. Its really sad because even as a hardcore fan I had some trouble truly grasping or believing the things Michael said about his childhood or about his life in general, the way Deepak put it really hits you over the head and makes you feel Michaels pain rather then just hear it.
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Reply #605 posted 06/27/09 6:13pm

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Cinnamon234 said:

Chic35 said:



Hell to the naw I haven't heard that! I hope that is NOT true!

SUICIDE is NEVER the answer!!! eek


It is. I just saw the video of a reporter stating that 7 fans have in fact killed themselves over at CNN.

Absolute madness! That is not going to bring him back. What were they thinking?! My god I know they are hurting, so many of us MJ fans are, but that is not going to bring him back.


While this breaks my heart I am not surprised. Fans were going through it badly during both allegations. I knew some who became physically ill. Back then I could only imagine what would happen if he were no longer with us and now it seems to be coming true.
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Reply #606 posted 06/27/09 6:13pm

Timmy84

Arnotts said:

Chic35 said:

Here is an interesting interview on Michael Jackson. It's talking about his addiction...

Deepak Chopra


I heard of Michael abusing prescription drugs, but damn NOT to these great lengths! eek

That was one of the most touching things I've ever heard said about michael. And I completely agree with what the interviewer said at the end. Its really sad because even as a hardcore fan I had some trouble truly grasping or believing the things Michael said about his childhood or about his life in general, the way Deepak put it really hits you over the head and makes you feel Michaels pain rather then just hear it.


Michael was fucked over all his life. No one was really there for him. All he knew for 50 years was work. Whenever someone talks about how sad Michael's life, I'm reminded of everybody who basically made him a meal ticket. He was never in control of anything besides his body and that did him in.
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Reply #607 posted 06/27/09 6:17pm

Cinnamon234

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Timmy84 said:

Cinnamon234 said:



It is. I just saw the video of a reporter stating that 7 fans have in fact killed themselves over at CNN.

Absolute madness! That is not going to bring him back. What were they thinking?! My god I know they are hurting, so many of us MJ fans are, but that is not going to bring him back.

This is just some bullshit. mad
But why am I not surprised? I bet there were suicide notes at MJ sites? eek


You know what though Timmy, now that I think about it I am actually not suprised sad to say. You and I are both on MJ fan sites and you know how it is. For some people, MJ was clearly their entire life and just from the way some speak about him, I knew that some of them wouldn't be able to handle it. Sad.
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Reply #608 posted 06/27/09 6:21pm

Timmy84

Cinnamon234 said:

Timmy84 said:


This is just some bullshit. mad
But why am I not surprised? I bet there were suicide notes at MJ sites? eek


You know what though Timmy, now that I think about it I am actually not suprised sad to say. You and I are both on MJ fan sites and you know how it is. For some people, MJ was clearly their entire life and just from the way some speak about him, I knew that some of them wouldn't be able to handle it. Sad.
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That's why fan adoration like that is scary for me. True it's sad he's no longer here but I can't help but think there was a better situation than just killing themselves. I mean I can take what you said about being depressed over this (I think bboy is too) but suicide is going too far.
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Reply #609 posted 06/27/09 6:21pm

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JackieBlue said:

Cinnamon234 said:



It is. I just saw the video of a reporter stating that 7 fans have in fact killed themselves over at CNN.

Absolute madness! That is not going to bring him back. What were they thinking?! My god I know they are hurting, so many of us MJ fans are, but that is not going to bring him back.


While this breaks my heart I am not surprised. Fans were going through it badly during both allegations. I knew some who became physically ill. Back then I could only imagine what would happen if he were no longer with us and now it seems to be coming true.

eek
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Reply #610 posted 06/27/09 6:22pm

BSK3478

Cinnamon234 said:

Timmy84 said:


This is just some bullshit. mad
But why am I not surprised? I bet there were suicide notes at MJ sites? eek


You know what though Timmy, now that I think about it I am actually not suprised sad to say. You and I are both on MJ fan sites and you know how it is. For some people, MJ was clearly their entire life and just from the way some speak about him, I knew that some of them wouldn't be able to handle it. Sad.
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sad indeed. sad
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Reply #611 posted 06/27/09 6:23pm

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let me say this:
i am disappointed in these fans
who are believing all these fucking
fake reports and interviews!
has Michael not taught us better?
“Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on a tv screen don’t make it factual...actual”
stop eating all this shit up.
i know we want someone to be angry with,
whether it be doctors, Grace, Joe, ourselves...
but we have to be patient and stop believing everything.
and i myself am numb right now.
im trying to help others but i dont even
know if im okay.
i have read suide threats on mj sites myself.
i just feel so bad for everyone.
...then he turned to me and said "I dare you".
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Reply #612 posted 06/27/09 6:23pm

Timmy84

CalhounSq said:

JackieBlue said:



While this breaks my heart I am not surprised. Fans were going through it badly during both allegations. I knew some who became physically ill. Back then I could only imagine what would happen if he were no longer with us and now it seems to be coming true.

eek


I heard those accounts too. That's just too much.
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Reply #613 posted 06/27/09 6:27pm

Cinnamon234

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Timmy84 said:


That's why fan adoration like that is scary for me. True it's sad he's no longer here but I can't help but think there was a better situation than just killing themselves. I mean I can take what you said about being depressed over this (I think bboy is too) but suicide is going too far.


Agreed. I sometimes wish I hadn't been so attached because I am really depressed over his death and will be for a while, but there's no way in hell i'd ever go that far over anyone, period. That's absolutely crazy. Obviously these fans had other serious problems for them to do something like that.
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Reply #614 posted 06/27/09 6:29pm

Timmy84

Cinnamon234 said:

Timmy84 said:


That's why fan adoration like that is scary for me. True it's sad he's no longer here but I can't help but think there was a better situation than just killing themselves. I mean I can take what you said about being depressed over this (I think bboy is too) but suicide is going too far.


Agreed. I sometimes wish I hadn't been so attached because I am really depressed over his death and will be for a while, but there's no way in hell i'd ever go that far over anyone, period. That's absolutely crazy. Obviously these fans had other serious problems for them to do something like that.


Seriously... it's like people have low self esteem to do shit like that. And I know it's gonna sound heartless but that's cold you would kill themselves over someone regardless if you knew them personally or not, it's actually sickness.
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Reply #615 posted 06/27/09 6:30pm

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Timmy84 said:

CalhounSq said:


eek


I heard those accounts too. That's just too much.

i became physically ill when i heard the news of Michael's death.
i thought i was going to have to call 911.
i wasnt ready.
no one was.
...then he turned to me and said "I dare you".
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Reply #616 posted 06/27/09 6:33pm

Timmy84

zoetruluv said:

Timmy84 said:



I heard those accounts too. That's just too much.

i became physically ill when i heard the news of Michael's death.
i thought i was going to have to call 911.
i wasnt ready.
no one was.

eek Well brother (or sister) I hope you don't go to the lengths these guys did. Keep your self-respect. sad
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Reply #617 posted 06/27/09 6:33pm

kibbles

Timmy84 said:

Arnotts said:


That was one of the most touching things I've ever heard said about michael. And I completely agree with what the interviewer said at the end. Its really sad because even as a hardcore fan I had some trouble truly grasping or believing the things Michael said about his childhood or about his life in general, the way Deepak put it really hits you over the head and makes you feel Michaels pain rather then just hear it.


Michael was fucked over all his life. No one was really there for him. All he knew for 50 years was work. Whenever someone talks about how sad Michael's life, I'm reminded of everybody who basically made him a meal ticket. He was never in control of anything besides his body and that did him in.


i was hoping that after he did these shows, he would not do anymore, even none here in the u.s. and that he would concentrate on his music. *maybe* do a one off gig here and there to support a project. on the huffington post someone mentioned that mj was into jazz but that he thought he wouldn't be able to pursue it b/c the powers that be at sony didn't want that from him. he might have been able to pursue it now, though. most of all i wanted mj to meet that special someone in life. i was really, really, really rooting for him. i feel so heartsick that i haven't even been able to cry. i'm just numb. i'll probably never be able to cry.

btw, that story about grace is from the daily mail, and i'm skeptical of the content.
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Reply #618 posted 06/27/09 6:35pm

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Timmy84 said:

Cinnamon234 said:



Agreed. I sometimes wish I hadn't been so attached because I am really depressed over his death and will be for a while, but there's no way in hell i'd ever go that far over anyone, period. That's absolutely crazy. Obviously these fans had other serious problems for them to do something like that.


Seriously... it's like people have low self esteem to do shit like that. And I know it's gonna sound heartless but that's cold you would kill themselves over someone regardless if you knew them personally or not, it's actually sickness.


He became a life support for so many especially those who were troubled or just lonely, misunderstood. In many ways he's saved their lives. For them to lose that they may feel that they have nothing else to connect to, nothing else to live for. That's why I felt sad or worried for those that didn't seem to have a life outside of Michael. I have one old friend that I am particularly worried about and so far we have not heard from her. neutral
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Reply #619 posted 06/27/09 6:36pm

Timmy84

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:



Michael was fucked over all his life. No one was really there for him. All he knew for 50 years was work. Whenever someone talks about how sad Michael's life, I'm reminded of everybody who basically made him a meal ticket. He was never in control of anything besides his body and that did him in.


i was hoping that after he did these shows, he would not do anymore, even none here in the u.s. and that he would concentrate on his music. *maybe* do a one off gig here and there to support a project. on the huffington post someone mentioned that mj was into jazz but that he thought he wouldn't be able to pursue it b/c the powers that be at sony didn't want that from him. he might have been able to pursue it now, though. most of all i wanted mj to meet that special someone in life. i was really, really, really rooting for him. i feel so heartsick that i haven't even been able to cry. i'm just numb. i'll probably never be able to cry.

btw, that story about grace is from the daily mail, and i'm skeptical of the content.


Oh is it. Then my apologies then. lol

I should've known it was the Daily Mail but if it's true that he wanted to do a jazz album but he felt Sony wouldn't let him, that just proves my theory that Michael was just a meal ticket, they didn't really allow him a lot of freedom.
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Reply #620 posted 06/27/09 6:36pm

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While it wouldn't be hard to believe, I really hope the fan stories are made up. I don't see anything about about it on CNN.com, even via search...
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Reply #621 posted 06/27/09 6:37pm

Timmy84

JackieBlue said:

Timmy84 said:



Seriously... it's like people have low self esteem to do shit like that. And I know it's gonna sound heartless but that's cold you would kill themselves over someone regardless if you knew them personally or not, it's actually sickness.


He became a life support for so many especially those who were troubled or just lonely, misunderstood. In many ways he's saved their lives. For them to lose that they may feel that they have nothing else to connect to, nothing else to live for. That's why I felt sad or worried for those that didn't seem to have a life outside of Michael. I have one old friend that I am particularly worried about and so far we have not heard from her. neutral


Lord... neutral But yeah I see your point... confused
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Reply #622 posted 06/27/09 6:43pm

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Timmy84 said:

zoetruluv said:


i became physically ill when i heard the news of Michael's death.
i thought i was going to have to call 911.
i wasnt ready.
no one was.

eek Well brother (or sister) I hope you don't go to the lengths these guys did. Keep your self-respect. sad

i would never kill myself
and definitely not over anyone else,
whether i knew them or not.
i could not help the way my mind and body
reacted to the news.
the people who killed themselves
already had problems,
and became dependent on MJ.
when he passed,he took their will
to live with him.
i wish i could have helped Michael with his
own troubles and i wish i could have
helped these people.
...then he turned to me and said "I dare you".
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Reply #623 posted 06/27/09 6:46pm

kenlacam

Even though I still shed many tears for the great loss, a part of me is still in denial that Mike is gone. It is just too painful to come to grips with. And I am very angry at the media for giving him his props too late. WHere was all this attention when he was among us? Why has amazon.com sold out of everything Michael related now? WHere was all of this when he was living? He is/was the greatest! It's a shame that he had to die before people would wake up and see his genius.
Even still.
You will be missed, Michael, and this world feels much emptier now. sad
RIP.
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Reply #624 posted 06/27/09 6:49pm

Arnotts

JackieBlue said:

Timmy84 said:



Seriously... it's like people have low self esteem to do shit like that. And I know it's gonna sound heartless but that's cold you would kill themselves over someone regardless if you knew them personally or not, it's actually sickness.


He became a life support for so many especially those who were troubled or just lonely, misunderstood. In many ways he's saved their lives. For them to lose that they may feel that they have nothing else to connect to, nothing else to live for. That's why I felt sad or worried for those that didn't seem to have a life outside of Michael. I have one old friend that I am particularly worried about and so far we have not heard from her. neutral

That is so true. I became a fan of Michaels at one of the loneliess periods of my life, when I was in high school and really starting to feel the pain of growing up. It's fascinating really, that he does that
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Reply #625 posted 06/27/09 6:56pm

Timmy84

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.
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Reply #626 posted 06/27/09 7:09pm

Arnotts

Timmy84 said:

I guess I'm a different fan. confused I love Mike but not in that way. True his music and performances brought me joy tho. That's as far as that goes.

I'm not sure how old you are but i think it depends on when you became a fan. People who became fans in the late 80's, 90's and 00's I think are more inclined to feel the more personal connection. Oh I just see you have 84 in your name, so you're quite young? You come across more like one of the older fans
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Reply #627 posted 06/27/09 7:19pm

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7 fans commit suicide disbelief
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Reply #628 posted 06/27/09 7:24pm

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disbelief Michael would never want that. Horrible.
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Reply #629 posted 06/27/09 7:29pm

2elijah

kenlacam said:

Even though I still shed many tears for the great loss, a part of me is still in denial that Mike is gone. It is just too painful to come to grips with. And I am very angry at the media for giving him his props too late. WHere was all this attention when he was among us? Why has amazon.com sold out of everything Michael related now? WHere was all of this when he was living? He is/was the greatest! It's a shame that he had to die before people would wake up and see his genius.
Even still.
You will be missed, Michael, and this world feels much emptier now. sad
RIP.


True, such a shame. especially how the media smeared him so bad during the trial. Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace were just s few of the ones that were on the forefront promoting so much negativity towards him.I After that trial, which put major stress on him of course, that is when I noticed his health started taking a turn for the worse, as he was hospitalized quite a few times during it. Such a shame.
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