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Reply #570 posted 06/27/09 4:33pm

graecophilos

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noimageatall said:

bboy87 said:

Scorpion of Windimoto's tribute to Michael

Saturday June 27th, 2009

It has taken me this long to get my thoughts together.

I'm not trying to make this some definitive tribute statement, either...I'm just speaking from my soul...

Another Black man is gone before he could grow old...that in itself is a tragedy...but what makes it significant is that that Black man is the greatest entertainer ever...

Yes, I said it.

Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer ever.

I definitely do not wish to shortchange James Brown. James Brown is the blueprint of modern Black music. Michael knew this and studied JB's every move. He loved James—as a mentor, as an entertainer, and as a person. To me it speaks volumes that Michael came out of his exile to honor James when he passed....

Michael put his own issues aside and came out for JB when so may of JB's disciples and progeny were shamefully absent....

James Brown lived a long life, and good sense would tell you that JB was older than what he said he was....so when JB passed, it was major but not unexpected...

I haven't told anyone this until the last couple of days...Michael Jackson introduced me to music...It was because of him that I made up my mind early in my childhood that I would make music...

I've heard quite a few other people, famous and not, say the same thing over the past few days...

Over the years, I have defended him against unfair and false criticism...the thing that angers me the most about his life is the willful ignorance of those who hate him...

I've never seen anyone be hated with the fervor I've seen some people hate Michael Jackson...

I've heard people call for his death...and now that it has happened, I've heard people say that they are glad...

and they base these feelings on what exactly?

Because he was eccentric? I bet you there are weirder people in your family...

this didn't start with the allegations, this hatred of Michael Jackson has been building steadily since 1987....I've watched it with my own eyes...

I watched the press start going out of their way to make it seem like everything he did was cat shit crazy...

“Bizarre singer Michael Jackson flew a kite in his yard today...the famously weird singer for some odd reason flew a kite for about an hour this afternoon ….some found the scene disturbing...”

Silly shit like that...

A real life example is when Michael bounced his baby on his knee to calm his crying...Martin Bashir acted like he was choking the baby...

Who DOESN'T bounce crying babies on their knee?

I think the thing I found most disturbing about the venom directed at Michael Jackson was the Black people who turned their backs on him...

Michael Jackson represented for Black people all of his life.

His career is based on his Blackness...

He paid for David Ruffin's funeral.

John H. Johnson (publisher of Ebony and Jet) was one of his advisers.

He owned Sly Stone's publishing and made sure Sly was taken care of.

His heroes were James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and Sammy Davis., Jr...he spent his 50th birthday listening to James Brown...

There are rumors that after acquiring the publishing rights to Little Richard's songs, Mike gave them back to Richard...not sold, gave...

Michael would bring in busloads of poor children South Central, Watts and other black populated areas of LA county to Neverland to have their run of the place...

Saul Williams said that his education was funded by part of a 25 million dollar donation by Michael to the United Negro College fund.

Michael was friends with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

He loved to vacation in Africa and tried to spread the word about the historic and physical beauty of the continent...he stated that he believes all things come from Africa....

He made a song called THEY Don't Care About US (feel free to read between the lines)

He loved the documentary Unforgivable Blackness about the story of Jack Johnson.

He made street dancing popular long before the breakdancing phenomenon of the mid-80s....in the mid-70's, Mike was popping and locking. He always gave credit to the dancers in the streets, many times hiring them for his videos.

He made a video with real gang members, long before gang-banging became chic.

He made a video showing Black people as royalty in Africa.

His vocal style with all the ad-libs, scatting, and slang is undeniably Black.

Michael NEVER looked down on hip-hop...he reached out to, collaborated with, and mentored many young hip-hop artists.

He called Tommy Mottola a devil, loved to eat KFC (with the skin removed) and drink Crown Royal, his first date with Lisa Marie was to go see the Temptations and The Fifth Dimension in Las Vegas.

She asked him, “Where will we stay?

“In my room.”, he replied.

“Will we sleep in the same bed?” she continued

“Hell yeah, girl!...” was his answer...

was he not Black?

He had a perm and married a white girl...how Black is that?...LOL

I kid....but I never felt that Michael did not want to be Black.

I don't want to focus on the controversy because that cheapens his legacy...as a man, he had faults...but who among us does not?

The plain in simple truth is the reason why Michael touched so many of us in such a personal way is because what his mission was....

he summed up it here, very succinctly:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...6TzvE6b_lM

“Love is my message....”
-Michael Jackson, 1980

he told us many times over the years...

“All the colors of the world should be lovin' each other/wholeheartedly/Yes, its all right/take my message to your brother and tell him twice/Spread the word and try to teach the man/who's hating his brother/when hate won't do/When we're all the same/cause the blood inside of me is inside of you...”

Michael Jackson was not just a simple singer and dancer...he was a revolutionary...

As a songwriter and producer, he does not get his due...HE is the definitive force behind the sound...HE is the funky one...HE is the one with the gift...

he used Quincy to articulate his intent, but he did it without Quincy, before and after Quincy....

He is a musical genius...bar none...

His lyrics are rich with meaning and emotion...people get caught up in the spectacle and miss what he was saying...

“something's soon to come over you/you just cant please the world and yourself/gotta start doing what's right for you/cause life is being happy yourself...”
-Bless His Soul

“live inside cryin' eyes/your touch/your heart/your warmth/lullaby/love to dream/don't it seem/the tears/the pain/reality/

don't cha know/these dreams I wish could be/the real you and me/I come running back to you/you push me away/you push/you push me away...”
-Push Me Away

“I am the damned/I am the dead/I am the agony inside the dying head/this is injustice/woe unto me/I pray this punishment will have mercy on me...”
-Who Is It

“this time I'm leaving all of my cares behind/I taste the good life and its fine/no more this pain and strife/this life's willing to be/and I've got enough/and I know what's right for me

I've done my time and I have paid the price/all you have to do/is state my name out loud/forget your worries/and let's dance and shout/cause we're here to live so free/Ive got to let me be...”
-Everybody

“the world keeps changing/rearranging minds and thoughts/predictions fly of doom/the baby boom/has come of age/we'll work it out

I told my brother/don't u ask me for no favors/I'm conditioned by the system/don't you preach to me/don't scream and shout

she pray to God/to Buddha/then she sings a Talmud song/confusions contradictions/the self/do we know right from wrong?

I just want you to recognize me in the temple/you cant hurt me/Ive found peace within myself...”
-Jam

“Now, I'm a man whose for all seasons/and what the city offers me/ain't naturally/I live to greet the stars but there's no stars to see/ I'm gonna search this world until I find my destiny...

If its the rich life/I don't want it/happiness ain't always material things

I want destiny/its the place for me/gimme the simple life/I'm getting 'way from here/let me be me/cmon/let me feel free...”
-Destiny

These are words that came from his heart and his pen...incredibly profound words....a lot of us were listening...

This is why we felt Michael, because he reached out and did his best to make us feel, to unite us, to make us dance...

His voice is instantly recognizable...a beautiful, soulful instrument of both joy and pain...from his first songs to his last...

When I listen to Get On The Floor, I am captured by the breakdown....he breathes and and scats in amazing rhythm...then he begins to chant:

“get up/wontcha gon' get down/shake ya body/wont cha gon get down....”

he repeats this over and over....his vocal percussion blending in with the the drums and tom-toms...

he keeps repeating this until you feel like you are in some kind of voodoo ritual....he brings the groove back with a scream...he's still chanting but harder...urging you to move...

the groove climaxes and he is whooping and screaming as if possessed...

when he comes back to the lyrics he is so exhilarated that he is laughing out loud while he sings...

he was feeling the groove as much as we were...we had no choice but to surrender...

many other folks my age, when we were kids, and we watched Michael sing and dance, he seemed to be a supernatural force of nature...he seemed more than human...

it was the little things...the glowing socks...the glowing pavement when he walked on it...the laser light behind him in Rock With You...it felt real....it felt natural...like he was some kind of funk sorcerer who knew magic...

Magic.

That's the word that keeps coming up when people talk about Michael...his mystique and his brilliance made us think somehow, someway magic was real....

You watch him in The Wiz...and you realize that he really is The Scarecrow...

His music at its core...was primal...there was a combination of darkness and light behind it all...he could do the ballads and the smooth stuff....but when he was unleashed over a funk groove, that's when we got the raw Mike...

songs like Workin Day And Night, Wanna be Startin Somethin', Heartbreak Hotel, Remember The Time, Everybody...

We fed on his energy and we couldn't get enough of it...

If you really listened to his music...I mean REALLY listened...he told us everything we needed to know...

One of his most enduring and heartbreaking songs is That's What You Get (For Being Polite)...it is pure autobiography...

“love's not harsh/love's not bad/ but what he's doing for love is so sad...

he wants to be so bad/he wants to be so bad/all the time/gettin in/thinks he can get out/something's deep in side of him/eating up the pride in him/that makes him buy things for the girls/that's what you get for being polite...”
-That's What You Get For Being Polite

But even though we are grown men and women and we know that he is human just like us...we still have the notion that he is really some kind of spiritual force in human form...as we all are really...

But now that he has passed, it underlines with mean finality that underneath it all, he was flesh and blood...

All of that wisdom, artistry, energy, excitement, sensitivity and love seems like its been taken away from us....

People, my heart is heavy...because for all that the brother gave to us all,we did not return his love like we should have...

It is not just that it ends this way for Michael....for all the respect shown, the media still will not let go of their bigotry and disdain....they still allude and make innuendo...they fear his power and refuse to let the brother shine and go on to his glory like he deserves...

But then I think about it, and all of that wisdom, artistry, energy, excitement, love, and sensitivity will never die...Michael will live on forever...

We will never forget him.

We will still sing along, we will still dance, we will still watch and listen.

We mourn the loss of him not as a celebrity, but as a friend....he was a friend to us...

I listen to the people who knew him personally and I hear their devastation...I listen to what THEY say about him and I know I was right about him...if he wasn't as special as he seemed to be, this might be just a little easier to take...

I'm not ashamed to say that I love Michael Jackson...and the world doesn't feel the same without him here...

you kind of always expected him to be here...

Through his life, he taught me so much about life, music, compassion, survival, expression...and I feel I'm a better person for being a Michael Jackson fan...

I pray for his family, especially his parents, and his children.

I pray that people will show respect, restrain, and compassion now that he has moved on.

I pray that people will move away from the spectacle and really and truly re-discover his music and his gift...and even though its far fetched, maybe see him for who he really is.

Michael Jackson sacrificed his life to entertain us, to make us happy, and possibly teach us a thing or two...no matter what you thought of him, that deserves respect....

Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer ever.

We will not see a phenomenon like him again.

Michael Jackson was more than the greatest entertainer ever...he was a great man...

and the world was a much better place when he was here with us.

He is The King.

I don't know if these words made any sense to anyone, but I felt they needed to be said.

Rest In Peace, Brother Michael

Thank you. For everything.

That is just beautiful...bboy... hug


But Jay did not write it on his ownß
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Reply #571 posted 06/27/09 4:38pm

CalhounSq

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graecophilos said:

noimageatall said:


That is just beautiful...bboy... hug


But Jay did not write it on his ownß


Both of you need to up yo readin' skills...


bboy87 said:

Scorpion of Windimoto's tribute to Michael...


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heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #572 posted 06/27/09 4:41pm

noimageatall

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graecophilos said:

noimageatall said:


That is just beautiful...bboy... hug


But Jay did not write it on his ownß

I know that... confused doh...I make it a point to actually read posts first. I was just telling bboy it was a beautiful post. I know who wrote it. shrug
"Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack
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Reply #573 posted 06/27/09 4:43pm

Countthedays

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bboy87 said:

Scorpion of Windimoto's tribute to Michael

Saturday June 27th, 2009

It has taken me this long to get my thoughts together.

I'm not trying to make this some definitive tribute statement, either...I'm just speaking from my soul...

Another Black man is gone before he could grow old...that in itself is a tragedy...but what makes it significant is that that Black man is the greatest entertainer ever...

Yes, I said it.

Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer ever.

I definitely do not wish to shortchange James Brown. James Brown is the blueprint of modern Black music. Michael knew this and studied JB's every move. He loved James—as a mentor, as an entertainer, and as a person. To me it speaks volumes that Michael came out of his exile to honor James when he passed....

Michael put his own issues aside and came out for JB when so may of JB's disciples and progeny were shamefully absent....

James Brown lived a long life, and good sense would tell you that JB was older than what he said he was....so when JB passed, it was major but not unexpected...

I haven't told anyone this until the last couple of days...Michael Jackson introduced me to music...It was because of him that I made up my mind early in my childhood that I would make music...

I've heard quite a few other people, famous and not, say the same thing over the past few days...

Over the years, I have defended him against unfair and false criticism...the thing that angers me the most about his life is the willful ignorance of those who hate him...

I've never seen anyone be hated with the fervor I've seen some people hate Michael Jackson...

I've heard people call for his death...and now that it has happened, I've heard people say that they are glad...

and they base these feelings on what exactly?

Because he was eccentric? I bet you there are weirder people in your family...

this didn't start with the allegations, this hatred of Michael Jackson has been building steadily since 1987....I've watched it with my own eyes...

I watched the press start going out of their way to make it seem like everything he did was cat shit crazy...

“Bizarre singer Michael Jackson flew a kite in his yard today...the famously weird singer for some odd reason flew a kite for about an hour this afternoon ….some found the scene disturbing...”

Silly shit like that...

A real life example is when Michael bounced his baby on his knee to calm his crying...Martin Bashir acted like he was choking the baby...

Who DOESN'T bounce crying babies on their knee?

I think the thing I found most disturbing about the venom directed at Michael Jackson was the Black people who turned their backs on him...

Michael Jackson represented for Black people all of his life.

His career is based on his Blackness...

He paid for David Ruffin's funeral.

John H. Johnson (publisher of Ebony and Jet) was one of his advisers.

He owned Sly Stone's publishing and made sure Sly was taken care of.

His heroes were James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and Sammy Davis., Jr...he spent his 50th birthday listening to James Brown...

There are rumors that after acquiring the publishing rights to Little Richard's songs, Mike gave them back to Richard...not sold, gave...

Michael would bring in busloads of poor children South Central, Watts and other black populated areas of LA county to Neverland to have their run of the place...

Saul Williams said that his education was funded by part of a 25 million dollar donation by Michael to the United Negro College fund.

Michael was friends with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

He loved to vacation in Africa and tried to spread the word about the historic and physical beauty of the continent...he stated that he believes all things come from Africa....

He made a song called THEY Don't Care About US (feel free to read between the lines)

He loved the documentary Unforgivable Blackness about the story of Jack Johnson.

He made street dancing popular long before the breakdancing phenomenon of the mid-80s....in the mid-70's, Mike was popping and locking. He always gave credit to the dancers in the streets, many times hiring them for his videos.

He made a video with real gang members, long before gang-banging became chic.

He made a video showing Black people as royalty in Africa.

His vocal style with all the ad-libs, scatting, and slang is undeniably Black.

Michael NEVER looked down on hip-hop...he reached out to, collaborated with, and mentored many young hip-hop artists.

He called Tommy Mottola a devil, loved to eat KFC (with the skin removed) and drink Crown Royal, his first date with Lisa Marie was to go see the Temptations and The Fifth Dimension in Las Vegas.

She asked him, “Where will we stay?

“In my room.”, he replied.

“Will we sleep in the same bed?” she continued

“Hell yeah, girl!...” was his answer...

was he not Black?

He had a perm and married a white girl...how Black is that?...LOL

I kid....but I never felt that Michael did not want to be Black.

I don't want to focus on the controversy because that cheapens his legacy...as a man, he had faults...but who among us does not?

The plain in simple truth is the reason why Michael touched so many of us in such a personal way is because what his mission was....

he summed up it here, very succinctly:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...6TzvE6b_lM

“Love is my message....”
-Michael Jackson, 1980

he told us many times over the years...

“All the colors of the world should be lovin' each other/wholeheartedly/Yes, its all right/take my message to your brother and tell him twice/Spread the word and try to teach the man/who's hating his brother/when hate won't do/When we're all the same/cause the blood inside of me is inside of you...”

Michael Jackson was not just a simple singer and dancer...he was a revolutionary...

As a songwriter and producer, he does not get his due...HE is the definitive force behind the sound...HE is the funky one...HE is the one with the gift...

he used Quincy to articulate his intent, but he did it without Quincy, before and after Quincy....

He is a musical genius...bar none...

His lyrics are rich with meaning and emotion...people get caught up in the spectacle and miss what he was saying...

“something's soon to come over you/you just cant please the world and yourself/gotta start doing what's right for you/cause life is being happy yourself...”
-Bless His Soul

“live inside cryin' eyes/your touch/your heart/your warmth/lullaby/love to dream/don't it seem/the tears/the pain/reality/

don't cha know/these dreams I wish could be/the real you and me/I come running back to you/you push me away/you push/you push me away...”
-Push Me Away

“I am the damned/I am the dead/I am the agony inside the dying head/this is injustice/woe unto me/I pray this punishment will have mercy on me...”
-Who Is It

“this time I'm leaving all of my cares behind/I taste the good life and its fine/no more this pain and strife/this life's willing to be/and I've got enough/and I know what's right for me

I've done my time and I have paid the price/all you have to do/is state my name out loud/forget your worries/and let's dance and shout/cause we're here to live so free/Ive got to let me be...”
-Everybody

“the world keeps changing/rearranging minds and thoughts/predictions fly of doom/the baby boom/has come of age/we'll work it out

I told my brother/don't u ask me for no favors/I'm conditioned by the system/don't you preach to me/don't scream and shout

she pray to God/to Buddha/then she sings a Talmud song/confusions contradictions/the self/do we know right from wrong?

I just want you to recognize me in the temple/you cant hurt me/Ive found peace within myself...”
-Jam

“Now, I'm a man whose for all seasons/and what the city offers me/ain't naturally/I live to greet the stars but there's no stars to see/ I'm gonna search this world until I find my destiny...

If its the rich life/I don't want it/happiness ain't always material things

I want destiny/its the place for me/gimme the simple life/I'm getting 'way from here/let me be me/cmon/let me feel free...”
-Destiny

These are words that came from his heart and his pen...incredibly profound words....a lot of us were listening...

This is why we felt Michael, because he reached out and did his best to make us feel, to unite us, to make us dance...

His voice is instantly recognizable...a beautiful, soulful instrument of both joy and pain...from his first songs to his last...

When I listen to Get On The Floor, I am captured by the breakdown....he breathes and and scats in amazing rhythm...then he begins to chant:

“get up/wontcha gon' get down/shake ya body/wont cha gon get down....”

he repeats this over and over....his vocal percussion blending in with the the drums and tom-toms...

he keeps repeating this until you feel like you are in some kind of voodoo ritual....he brings the groove back with a scream...he's still chanting but harder...urging you to move...

the groove climaxes and he is whooping and screaming as if possessed...

when he comes back to the lyrics he is so exhilarated that he is laughing out loud while he sings...

he was feeling the groove as much as we were...we had no choice but to surrender...

many other folks my age, when we were kids, and we watched Michael sing and dance, he seemed to be a supernatural force of nature...he seemed more than human...

it was the little things...the glowing socks...the glowing pavement when he walked on it...the laser light behind him in Rock With You...it felt real....it felt natural...like he was some kind of funk sorcerer who knew magic...

Magic.

That's the word that keeps coming up when people talk about Michael...his mystique and his brilliance made us think somehow, someway magic was real....

You watch him in The Wiz...and you realize that he really is The Scarecrow...

His music at its core...was primal...there was a combination of darkness and light behind it all...he could do the ballads and the smooth stuff....but when he was unleashed over a funk groove, that's when we got the raw Mike...

songs like Workin Day And Night, Wanna be Startin Somethin', Heartbreak Hotel, Remember The Time, Everybody...

We fed on his energy and we couldn't get enough of it...

If you really listened to his music...I mean REALLY listened...he told us everything we needed to know...

One of his most enduring and heartbreaking songs is That's What You Get (For Being Polite)...it is pure autobiography...

“love's not harsh/love's not bad/ but what he's doing for love is so sad...

he wants to be so bad/he wants to be so bad/all the time/gettin in/thinks he can get out/something's deep in side of him/eating up the pride in him/that makes him buy things for the girls/that's what you get for being polite...”
-That's What You Get For Being Polite

But even though we are grown men and women and we know that he is human just like us...we still have the notion that he is really some kind of spiritual force in human form...as we all are really...

But now that he has passed, it underlines with mean finality that underneath it all, he was flesh and blood...

All of that wisdom, artistry, energy, excitement, sensitivity and love seems like its been taken away from us....

People, my heart is heavy...because for all that the brother gave to us all,we did not return his love like we should have...

It is not just that it ends this way for Michael....for all the respect shown, the media still will not let go of their bigotry and disdain....they still allude and make innuendo...they fear his power and refuse to let the brother shine and go on to his glory like he deserves...

But then I think about it, and all of that wisdom, artistry, energy, excitement, love, and sensitivity will never die...Michael will live on forever...

We will never forget him.

We will still sing along, we will still dance, we will still watch and listen.

We mourn the loss of him not as a celebrity, but as a friend....he was a friend to us...

I listen to the people who knew him personally and I hear their devastation...I listen to what THEY say about him and I know I was right about him...if he wasn't as special as he seemed to be, this might be just a little easier to take...

I'm not ashamed to say that I love Michael Jackson...and the world doesn't feel the same without him here...

you kind of always expected him to be here...

Through his life, he taught me so much about life, music, compassion, survival, expression...and I feel I'm a better person for being a Michael Jackson fan...

I pray for his family, especially his parents, and his children.

I pray that people will show respect, restrain, and compassion now that he has moved on.

I pray that people will move away from the spectacle and really and truly re-discover his music and his gift...and even though its far fetched, maybe see him for who he really is.

Michael Jackson sacrificed his life to entertain us, to make us happy, and possibly teach us a thing or two...no matter what you thought of him, that deserves respect....

Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer ever.

We will not see a phenomenon like him again.

Michael Jackson was more than the greatest entertainer ever...he was a great man...

and the world was a much better place when he was here with us.

He is The King.

I don't know if these words made any sense to anyone, but I felt they needed to be said.

Rest In Peace, Brother Michael

Thank you. For everything.


That was be a touching read,
Michael was set up
People in high places were
jealous of Micheal Jackson
they set him up, and tried
to make him look like a
fool, it will all come out
now!
A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
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Reply #574 posted 06/27/09 4:51pm

bboy87

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Rare footage

Michael in Houston 1988

http://www.khou.com/video...vid=375150
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #575 posted 06/27/09 4:52pm

2elijah

Countthedays said:

Does anyone know of the mafia approaching Michael Jackson,
during the make of Thriller? Rumor has it they wanted
a piece of the action, Michael said no! Later on the
mafia laid low to sabatoge Michael's career
years later with the molestation accusations.



That is news, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was true. There are some seedy b*tches out there.
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Reply #576 posted 06/27/09 4:57pm

2elijah

Updated: 23 minutes ago
Sharpton says family considering global celebrations to commemorate, preserve Jackson legacy





Rev. Al Sharpton, right, gives Michael Jackson a plaque and T-shirt for his Pride Patrol program in New York, August 1, 1984. (AP Photo/Marty Lederhandler) (Marty Lederhandler, AP / August 1, 1984)

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Jackson family is considering a series of simultaneous global celebrations and other ideas as they decide how to commemorate the life of the King of Pop, the Rev. Al Sharpton said Saturday.

Sharpton is a longtime family friend who plans to meet with the family Sunday.
Sharpton said he has spoken with Michael Jackson's brothers Jackie and Jermaine, and they asked him to meet with the entire family to discuss how best to remember the legend who died Thursday at age 50.


Michael's father, Joe Jackson, "seemed very saddened but determined to keep going and protect his son's legacy," Sharpton said. The family is frustrated that so much of the media attention has focused on Michael Jackson's problems, such as his heavy debts, previous child abuse allegations and his use of prescription drugs, Sharpton said.

His family wants to make sure he's also remembered as a groundbreaking entertainer who made unprecedented contributions to music and culture.

Sharpton said the family is considering his idea of having massive, simultaneous celebrations of Jackson's life across the globe, so "the media would have to be focused about how millions of people felt about him."


"Michael Jackson was a genius, he wasn't a freak," Sharpton said.
The family is particularly concerned with creating an upbeat view of Jackson for the sake of his three young children, Sharpton said.


"They are very worried about his children ... that they don't grow up with a distorted world view," he said.

Sharpton, who had known Michael Jackson and his family for more than two decades, also said the family is frustrated over the notion that they had little contact with Jackson.

Michael and his children joined the rest of his family at the recent 60th wedding anniversary of his parents, Sharpton said.

Michael Jackson also told his brothers he wanted them to join him during the planned comeback shows in London
.

[Edited 6/27/09 17:11pm]
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Here is an interesting interview on Michael Jackson. It's talking about his addiction...

Deepak Chopra


I heard of Michael abusing prescription drugs, but damn NOT to these great lengths! eek
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My son just called and said he just saw a headline on MSNBC that said the family wanted a second autopsy. I didn't see this though...
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I'm hearing that 7 Mj fans have comitted suicide.?! That's what they are saying at the fan sites. I can't believe this. anyone heard that?
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Reply #581 posted 06/27/09 5:09pm

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My son just called and said he just saw a headline on MSNBC that said the family wanted a second autopsy. I didn't see this though...



It's true. They also want to speak to the physician that was at their son's home when he passed away.
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Reply #582 posted 06/27/09 5:13pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #583 posted 06/27/09 5:20pm

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Cinnamon234 said:

I'm hearing that 7 Mj fans have comitted suicide.?! That's what they are saying at the fan sites. I can't believe this. anyone heard that?
[Edited 6/27/09 17:01pm]


Hell to the naw I haven't heard that! I hope that is NOT true!

SUICIDE is NEVER the answer!!! eek
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Reply #584 posted 06/27/09 5:20pm

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Chic35 said:

Here is an interesting interview on Michael Jackson. It's talking about his addiction...


I heard of Michael abusing prescription drugs, but damn NOT to these great lengths! eek



You should read the article Deepak wrote about MJ. Much of this is mentioned there. I posted it a few pages back.
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Reply #585 posted 06/27/09 5:21pm

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http://www.khou.com/video/topstories-index.html?nvid=375175

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Reply #586 posted 06/27/09 5:21pm

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I love you Michael, you will remain in my memory forever! You are my inspiration!
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Reply #587 posted 06/27/09 5:33pm

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While I admire someone who isn't afraid and stands up for their opinion, I admire someone even more who knows the appropriate time to speak it. I, myself, have talked about his antics in the last decade or so but I was a fan of his music long before he began those antics and those antics don't change all that old great music that I grew up with.

I'm not even going to bring up or even debate any of his antics because this isn't the appropriate time to do so. When I have, in the past, it was appropriate because he was still living. And yes, it will be appropriate to discuss and debate these antics in the future. Why is this time inappropriate? Because the man just died and isn't even in the ground yet. I don't see myself as being a hypocrit and I'll tell you why. To bring up and argue Michael Jackson's antics during this time isn't hurting Michael Jackson (not that I would want to), it's hurting his fans on this board. There are a lot of hardcore Michael Jackson fans on this board and a lot of them love and discuss a lot of other great artists on this board, not just Michael Jackson. A lot of them seem to be nice and wonderful people and I consider a lot of them as online friends. Why would I want to hurt them especially when they just lost their favorite entertainer that means so much to them? Hell, even I have lost a man that made some great music that I grew up with. But nevermind me, why would you want to hurt them? Does every one of your friends or family members agree with and have the same exact tastes and views that you have? I'm sure they don't but you still like them don't you and wouldn't want to hurt them.

What you are doing right now is not simply voicing your opinion because there will definately be an appropriate time and place for that in the future. What you are doing right now is kicking people while they are down and that's not a strong person at all, it's an incredibly weak one.
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Vainandy strikes again. Speaking truth, and well said. clapping worship worship
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Reply #588 posted 06/27/09 5:34pm

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Wow @ What the nanny Grace had to say.

"THE nanny who became “mother” to Michael Jackson’s three children has told how she regularly had to pump his stomach to remove dangerous cocktails of drugs.

Grace Rwaramba, 42, who flew from London to Los Angeles yesterday in the hope of being reunited with his children, has given a graphic account of the singer’s increasingly desperate final months.

She paints a grim picture of Jackson, sometimes penniless but deluded about his “riches”, leading a nomadic life, moving from country to country and hotel to hotel, before allegedly falling under the increasing influence of the Nation of Islam, the extremist sect.

Jackson is believed to have been taking up to eight different drugs a day, including three narcotic painkillers. Rwaramba, who is expected to be interviewed by detectives about whether she helped administer the drugs, said: “I had to pump his stomach many times. He always mixed so much of it.

“There was one period that it was so bad that I didn’t let the children see him . . . He always ate too little and mixed too much.”

The nanny says she once called in the singer’s mother, Katherine, and sister, Janet, to attempt an “intervention”, trying to persuade the singer to come to terms with his addiction. Instead Jackson turned on her, accusing her of betraying him. “He didn’t want to listen; that was one of the times he let me go,” she said.

Rwaramba, who is from Rwanda, worked for Jackson for more than a decade, starting as an office assistant before becoming nanny to his children, Michael Jr, known as Prince, aged 12; Paris, 11; and Prince Michael II, 7, nicknamed Blanket to distinguish him from his brother.

She was dismissed for a final time last December but still went back to see the children. When she visited them in April she claims Jackson was so hard up she had to buy “happy birthday” balloons for Paris on her own credit card.

On a previous occasion he had sent her to Florence to buy antiques for $1m. “We didn’t even have a home to live in. So we had to put the antiques in storage,” she said.

Yesterday an official with the Los Angeles police revealed the singer had become “heavily addicted” to the powerful painkiller OxyContin and had received an injection of Demerol, another painkiller, an hour before his death. It is now almost certain the police will begin a full investigation into the singer’s death and that Rwaramba will be regarded as a witness. Coroners in the case said yesterday there was no suspicion of foul play but toxicology tests would take several weeks.

One theory is that Jackson was taking an increasing amount of drugs to combat the stress of his forthcoming 50 concerts at the O2 in London. The nanny said: “Fifty performances! I told him . . . what are you doing? He said ‘I signed only for 10’. He didn’t know what he was signing. He never did.”

Detectives have made contact with Dr Conrad Robert Murray, a cardiologist who was with Jackson at his rented mansion when he died, and have made clear they want to interview him. Police denied a report that they also want to talk to a second doctor.

Police will also want to know whether early CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) efforts to save the singer’s life were botched. On a tape of conversations between the Jackson home and the ambulance service, one of Jackson’s staff tells the dispatcher that Jackson is on the bed and that a “doctor is here”, meaning Murray.

Medical experts say it is usual for the patient to be on a hard surface because it is difficult to compress the chest on a soft surface. The operator told the caller to “get him on the floor”. A car towed by police from Jackson’s home is registered in the name of Murray’s sister in Texas.

Rwaramba claims the Nation of Islam, the sect that had become increasingly prominent in Jackson’s life, told him it cost $100,000 (£60,000) a month to rent the mansion, but she believes similar properties were on the market for no more than $25,000 a month.

The sect has supplied bodyguards to the singer and allegedly intimidated auction houses that were selling Jackson memorabilia.

“Michael had no idea about money,” Rwaramba said. “He got a proposal to make an appearance in Japan for $1m . . . By the time everyone took their share, he ended up with $200,000.” At one stage Jackson and his entourage flew economy class to Germany. One of the worst periods was after Jackson was acquitted following a five-month trial in 2005 on charges of sexually abusing a boy during sleepovers at his Neverland ranch.

Jackson, Rwaramba and the children went to Bahrain as guests of Sheikh Abdullah, a son of the king, who hoped to make a CD with the singer.

People there described yesterday how they sometimes saw Jackson walking through a mall, his frail body draped in a woman’s abaya, or robe, which covered part of the face. He drew a crowd since he did not walk like a woman.

When the singer and the sheikh fell out, Jackson and his family moved to Ireland to stay with friends of Rwaramba and then in a small house in New Jersey where Jackson slept in a downstairs room while she and the children shared a bedroom.

When Jackson did have money, he hid it in black rubbish sacks and under the carpets at the Los Angeles house. Rwaramba says Katherine Jackson rang her in London at 7am on Friday to ask where the money was, possibly to stop it being stolen.

Sources close to the Jacksons yesterday told the TMZ entertainment website, which broke the news of his death, that the children would stay with their grandmother and grandfather Joe at the family home in Encino, California.

They said: “We’re told the family is 100% behind this - feeling that Katherine and Joe Jackson are the only people who can help the children understand who their father was, help them grieve, and teach them to deal with life in the spotlight.”


This is sooo depressing to hear he was living like this! It sounds the addiciton really had Micheal! His life was miserable!
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Reply #589 posted 06/27/09 5:34pm

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Chic35 said:

Here is an interesting interview on Michael Jackson. It's talking about his addiction...

Deepak Chopra


I heard of Michael abusing prescription drugs, but damn NOT to these great lengths! eek

DAMN...
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Reply #590 posted 06/27/09 5:39pm

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Chic35 said:

Cinnamon234 said:

Wow @ What the nanny Grace had to say.

"THE nanny who became “mother” to Michael Jackson’s three children has told how she regularly had to pump his stomach to remove dangerous cocktails of drugs.

Grace Rwaramba, 42, who flew from London to Los Angeles yesterday in the hope of being reunited with his children, has given a graphic account of the singer’s increasingly desperate final months.

She paints a grim picture of Jackson, sometimes penniless but deluded about his “riches”, leading a nomadic life, moving from country to country and hotel to hotel, before allegedly falling under the increasing influence of the Nation of Islam, the extremist sect.

Jackson is believed to have been taking up to eight different drugs a day, including three narcotic painkillers. Rwaramba, who is expected to be interviewed by detectives about whether she helped administer the drugs, said: “I had to pump his stomach many times. He always mixed so much of it.

“There was one period that it was so bad that I didn’t let the children see him . . . He always ate too little and mixed too much.”

The nanny says she once called in the singer’s mother, Katherine, and sister, Janet, to attempt an “intervention”, trying to persuade the singer to come to terms with his addiction. Instead Jackson turned on her, accusing her of betraying him. “He didn’t want to listen; that was one of the times he let me go,” she said.

Rwaramba, who is from Rwanda, worked for Jackson for more than a decade, starting as an office assistant before becoming nanny to his children, Michael Jr, known as Prince, aged 12; Paris, 11; and Prince Michael II, 7, nicknamed Blanket to distinguish him from his brother.

She was dismissed for a final time last December but still went back to see the children. When she visited them in April she claims Jackson was so hard up she had to buy “happy birthday” balloons for Paris on her own credit card.

On a previous occasion he had sent her to Florence to buy antiques for $1m. “We didn’t even have a home to live in. So we had to put the antiques in storage,” she said.

Yesterday an official with the Los Angeles police revealed the singer had become “heavily addicted” to the powerful painkiller OxyContin and had received an injection of Demerol, another painkiller, an hour before his death. It is now almost certain the police will begin a full investigation into the singer’s death and that Rwaramba will be regarded as a witness. Coroners in the case said yesterday there was no suspicion of foul play but toxicology tests would take several weeks.

One theory is that Jackson was taking an increasing amount of drugs to combat the stress of his forthcoming 50 concerts at the O2 in London. The nanny said: “Fifty performances! I told him . . . what are you doing? He said ‘I signed only for 10’. He didn’t know what he was signing. He never did.”

Detectives have made contact with Dr Conrad Robert Murray, a cardiologist who was with Jackson at his rented mansion when he died, and have made clear they want to interview him. Police denied a report that they also want to talk to a second doctor.

Police will also want to know whether early CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) efforts to save the singer’s life were botched. On a tape of conversations between the Jackson home and the ambulance service, one of Jackson’s staff tells the dispatcher that Jackson is on the bed and that a “doctor is here”, meaning Murray.

Medical experts say it is usual for the patient to be on a hard surface because it is difficult to compress the chest on a soft surface. The operator told the caller to “get him on the floor”. A car towed by police from Jackson’s home is registered in the name of Murray’s sister in Texas.

Rwaramba claims the Nation of Islam, the sect that had become increasingly prominent in Jackson’s life, told him it cost $100,000 (£60,000) a month to rent the mansion, but she believes similar properties were on the market for no more than $25,000 a month.

The sect has supplied bodyguards to the singer and allegedly intimidated auction houses that were selling Jackson memorabilia.

“Michael had no idea about money,” Rwaramba said. “He got a proposal to make an appearance in Japan for $1m . . . By the time everyone took their share, he ended up with $200,000.” At one stage Jackson and his entourage flew economy class to Germany. One of the worst periods was after Jackson was acquitted following a five-month trial in 2005 on charges of sexually abusing a boy during sleepovers at his Neverland ranch.

Jackson, Rwaramba and the children went to Bahrain as guests of Sheikh Abdullah, a son of the king, who hoped to make a CD with the singer.

People there described yesterday how they sometimes saw Jackson walking through a mall, his frail body draped in a woman’s abaya, or robe, which covered part of the face. He drew a crowd since he did not walk like a woman.

When the singer and the sheikh fell out, Jackson and his family moved to Ireland to stay with friends of Rwaramba and then in a small house in New Jersey where Jackson slept in a downstairs room while she and the children shared a bedroom.

When Jackson did have money, he hid it in black rubbish sacks and under the carpets at the Los Angeles house. Rwaramba says Katherine Jackson rang her in London at 7am on Friday to ask where the money was, possibly to stop it being stolen.

Sources close to the Jacksons yesterday told the TMZ entertainment website, which broke the news of his death, that the children would stay with their grandmother and grandfather Joe at the family home in Encino, California.

They said: “We’re told the family is 100% behind this - feeling that Katherine and Joe Jackson are the only people who can help the children understand who their father was, help them grieve, and teach them to deal with life in the spotlight.”


This is sooo depressing to hear he was living like this! It sounds the addiciton really had Micheal! His life was miserable!



Extremely sad. It is apparent that even his family couldn't help him in this situation. So sad, if this is true that he couldn't see his own addiction.
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Reply #591 posted 06/27/09 5:41pm

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2elijah said:

Tribute song to Michael Jackson "Better on the Other Side"
Michael Jackson Tribute Song Exceeds 100,000 Plays

(Pdiddy, Usher, Game ft. Chris Brown, Diddy, Polow Da Don, Mario Winans, Usher, Boyz II Men)



I'm sure a fan put the montage together, so I could have done w/o the shot of his body being carted eek Nice effort on the song though...
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Reply #592 posted 06/27/09 5:41pm

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Chic35 said:

Cinnamon234 said:

I'm hearing that 7 Mj fans have comitted suicide.?! That's what they are saying at the fan sites. I can't believe this. anyone heard that?
[Edited 6/27/09 17:01pm]


Hell to the naw I haven't heard that! I hope that is NOT true!

SUICIDE is NEVER the answer!!! eek


WHAT!?! pissed

And that Grace article has gotten me more pissed, the boy was lost at the end of his life! disbelief
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Reply #593 posted 06/27/09 5:49pm

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I am beyond words. My eyes are so swollen from crying and I haven't been able to stop crying at all. I have been a fan of michael for years. I grew up on some of his music and he was a big part of my childhood. I'm really having a hard time dealing with it. I had a ticket to see him in london with my friend and we had really good seats. I just feel so alone right now. sad cry bawl sad
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Reply #594 posted 06/27/09 5:53pm

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I am still in shock. It is hard for me to really add anything to the touching and thoughtful things that you guys have already said.. but I'll try.

For me I'll always remember him in his prime, just an unbelievable writer/singer/performer that looked like a billion dollars.
It was 1983 that I was blown away. Yes, the Motown 25th anniversary special on tv. The moves that he did, the tension that was shattered with breath taking displays of dancing and performing that just mesmerized everyone.

I was just reading online the LA Times article by Christopher Smith that says it best :


You know how it looked on TV, but how did it feel to witness the 'Billie Jean' dance in person? Like this.
By Christopher Smith
June 27, 2009
Almost everyone has their own Michael Jackson moment. Mine came when I was lucky enough to see what was probably the most important live performance of his career, the night he caused the world to stop and gasp. It was five minutes that broadened his reach from pop star to entertainment icon at a level that nobody had seen before and which hasn't been matched since.

On March 25, 1983, Motown threw itself a self-congratulatory showcase, a multi-act fundraiser to fight sickle cell disease. Motown was a bit down on its luck -- a lot of big names, including Jackson, Diana Ross and Marvin Gaye,had left the label. Going into the show, there was speculation about who would appear. Mostly, curiosity was riveted on Jackson -- his new album, "Thriller," was dominating the chartsfor a rival label, and it wasn't certain he'd perform and acknowledge his ties to Motown founder Berry Gordy, who launched the Jackson 5.

As often is the case when it comes to an unexpected memorable moment, this one was framed by dullness. The show was at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium, a cavernous hall that is not good for concerts. I had somehow gotten a floor seat, but while I was only about 30 rows back, I was way over on the right-hand side of the stage. Because the show was being taped for TV there was a lot of stopping and starting -- the evening dragged on for four hours plus -- and it was a sedate, well-dressed industry crowd, not likely to get very excited.


About halfway through, the original Jackson 5 bounded on stage, joined, yes, by Michael. I remember being surprised at how tall he was. They sang four older songs, the other Jacksons departed and Michael gave a very Elvis-y "thank you, thank you" and said he liked their old songs, but really liked the new ones. There was a pause. An aide ran out and gave him a derby hat and he walked downstage in my direction and struck a pose in silhouette as the drums snapped the now-familiar intro to "Billie Jean."

The place exploded. I'm pretty blasé about crowd response, but this was different. It wasn't a roar; more the sound of simultaneous shrieks from all over the auditorium, like everyone being scared at once. A couple rows in front of me, two women in my sight line were violently hugging, almost tackling each other, while riveted on the stage, as though they were unconsciously trying to hold onto the moment more than each other.

Oddly enough, 15 seconds into the performance the crowd noise had shut off. Everyone was craning to soak in the performance. I believe we were all mesmerized at this new, adult Jackson, totally in control of his artistry -- the falsetto might still be in place, but otherwise, he was an unfamiliar specter to us.

The key to the performance was his dancing. I had never conceived of Michael Jackson as an adult artist before. His lankiness underscored the razor sharp moves he was throwing off, each held for a millisecond, poses struck for the world to drink him in. That first Moonwalk triggered a resumption of the shrieks -- not surprisingly, later on in the lobby there were people trying and failing to mimic that move.

After the song was done, the moment over and Jackson gone, there was an interval before the next act. I was coming from the bathroom and some slicked up guys were going in, and I heard a conversational fragment. Jackson was like "nobody now."

Nobody since, either.





I never got to meet him, but I will sure miss him sad


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But got no love in return?
Did u understand the real meaning of love?
That it just is and never yearns"
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Reply #595 posted 06/27/09 5:53pm

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Timmy84 said:

Chic35 said:



Hell to the naw I haven't heard that! I hope that is NOT true!

SUICIDE is NEVER the answer!!! eek


WHAT!?! pissed

And that Grace article has gotten me more pissed, the boy was lost at the end of his life! disbelief


where's grace's article posted online?
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Reply #596 posted 06/27/09 5:54pm

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CalhounSq said:

2elijah said:

Tribute song to Michael Jackson "Better on the Other Side"
Michael Jackson Tribute Song Exceeds 100,000 Plays

(Pdiddy, Usher, Game ft. Chris Brown, Diddy, Polow Da Don, Mario Winans, Usher, Boyz II Men)


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I'm sure a fan put the montage together, so I could have done w/o the shot of his body being carted eek Nice effort on the song though...

Sorry, thanks for letting me know. I didn't watch the whole video. I deleted the post, but I guess you'll have to delete it in your response to my post, as it may bother other fans as well.
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Reply #597 posted 06/27/09 5:59pm

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2elijah said:

CalhounSq said:


I'm sure a fan put the montage together, so I could have done w/o the shot of his body being carted eek Nice effort on the song though...

Sorry, thanks for letting me know. I didn't watch the whole video. I deleted the post, but I guess you'll have to delete it in your response to my post, as it may bother other fans as well.
[Edited 6/27/09 17:56pm]

Well hell, you didn't have to delete it but I'll delete mine if you want me to. The montage was fine except for that 1 shot shrug
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Reply #598 posted 06/27/09 6:00pm

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kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:



WHAT!?! pissed

And that Grace article has gotten me more pissed, the boy was lost at the end of his life! disbelief


where's grace's article posted online?


Someone quoted it, I think Chic35 posted it.
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Reply #599 posted 06/27/09 6:01pm

Timmy84

CalhounSq said:

2elijah said:


Sorry, thanks for letting me know. I didn't watch the whole video. I deleted the post, but I guess you'll have to delete it in your response to my post, as it may bother other fans as well.
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Well hell, you didn't have to delete it but I'll delete mine if you want me to. The montage was fine except for that 1 shot shrug


That one shot destroyed the montage. I get freaked out when I see dead bodies. I freaked out when James' mug was shown. confused
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