SCNDLS said:

i am being a very good girl. scouts honor.

DesireeNevermind said:

SCNDLS breaks stiletto heel running into the Miley Cyrus thread . . .

noimageatall said:

I can believe Rhianna doesn't want a protective order! She is in love with Chris Brown and they are STILL very much a couple.

RiRi ain't NEVER left Chris...and if they keep showing up at the same venues separately it will all sink in. Now if Chris get' counseling this could work out.

I still don't understand how plea deals work.

It's like... either you're admitting to it, or you're not, and should be punished/rehabilitated accordingly.

Like, if Chris is guilty, how is he in ANY position to be bargaining anything?

Only admit to so much violence?

Cinnie said:

I hate that plea mess. Chris Brown pleads guilty to beating the shit out of someone and threatening their life...he gets probation. A slap on the wrist. So what he can't own a gun. Yet a mentally handicapped boy molests someone...pleads guilty and gets 100 years???? The whole system is jacked up.

SUPRMAN said:

Chris can only protect himself with bodyguards and/or an entourage for the rest of his life & music career. And like fame itself, bodyguards & entourages will not last forever (especially if they're on payroll).
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I can kinda see why she would not want a protective order, dare I say. They've had a level one order in place all this time. Seems like it would be a hassle to always be careful and find out where he was so you're not violating an order and getting him into more trouble. I mean, they have a lot of the same friends and work associates. I think it was smart of the judge to be on the safe side, but I can see why Rihanna might think it's not necessary at this point. I don't know the state of their relationship, obviously, but she's been hanging out a lot with her new "friend" Drake. He maintains they are just friends, but he acts so silly when her name is brought up....not sure I'm buying it.

Chris has a new song out called "Not My Fault". It leaked today!

A protective order might not make sense if Chris Brown is supposed to be at the same awards show as Rihanna, for instance.

so if she get pregnant by him, they are both going to jail?

DesireeNevermind said:

Who the hell said that?

NastradumasKid said:

they are both ordered to stay 50 yards from each other or 10 if they are in public. so if they violate this restraining order and exchange juices cuz they horny and she luv him; then she will get pregnant and both their arses will be locked up for violating the order. It's the law.

DesireeNevermind said:

Okay, I wouldn't be surprise if that did happen.

NastradumasKid said:

You know there is a loophole for every rich person. That won't happen.

Chic35 said:

Counselling won't work. I'm a "survivor" of abuse. Abusers never change.

As the saying goes - a leopard never changes its spots.

And if she does go back to him she'll get her ass beat again.

He "learned" his behavior in whatever environment he grew up in. To him it's "normal".

luv4u said:

To make things worse, he got out of "punishment"

luv4u said:

Preach!!

DesireeNevermind said:

This is why I think he needs a combination of BOTH jail time and counselling, to let him know that this type of behavoir is not right and this is what happens to people that misbehave.

luv4u said:

It's not fair to say couseling won't work FOR HIM. It may not have worked for YOUR ABUSER. That doesn't mean it won't work for Chris.

As for a leopard never changing his spots...not so fast. the world is full of success stories and or testimony's of people who've screwed up but changed there life around.

If what you are saying is true (and may be in some cases). What about the woman who get's out of a abusive relationship but get's involved with a guy just like the one she left. and after she leaves him get's involved with another guy who does the same?

Interesting enough the judge ordered Chris to stay away from Rihanna,But also ordered the accusser,Rihanna,the supposed victim to also stay away from Chris. This ruling alone speaks volumes. The courts have alot of info we don't have and though Brown plead guilty and is guilty of going overborad.This ruling tells me that Rihanna was more likely than not the one who initiated the assault

Sometimes Female Judges can be more critical of the female accusers.

daingermouz2020 said:

Even if she initiated the assault, it still does not give Chris the right to place his hands on her. I don't believe that this was the first time this has happened,(this is the first time that he got caught). However, I do blame her for not walking away sooner.

shorttrini said:

I see your point However I can not subscribe to the beleif that some have that It's ok if you are a guy to be assaulted by a female but never retaliate. I was always raised to treat people the way you'd like to be treated.which means to don't put your hands on me and I won't respond by putting my hands on you. assault is assault it should not be looked at any differantly when the aggressor is a female. If I assaulted someone I may not like it but expect to get it back.

I am not condoning Chris Brown's action's but I do understand how it could happen because I've been there.Though I did not respond in the same manner a few years earlier I would have and did. But at this particuliar time when I was assaulted I called the cops and once they got there and saw that she (wife) was the attacker there response was. " can't you guy's talk this out like to resonable adults". Which I am sure they would not have done if I had been the attacker or retaliated.

luv4u said:

Please throw some kind of lifejacket of hope that an asshole is possible of changing! I've learned that our (considered way of NORMAL thinking) is not someone else's. It might appear SICK to one person and a normal way of life to another.

Life sure would be easier if we all had side effect lables to us!!!

daingermouz2020 said:

I've been there too. But, I know that to be the better person, it is always best to walk away. Treating people as how you want to be treated, is just another way of saying, "An eye for and eye"...Well, that will only leave the both of us blind...

daingermouz2020 said:

In most States this is called a "full stay away" order of protection: Once a defendant has entered a plea or have been found guilty of a domestic abuse, it's not unusually for the court to issue an order of protection and/or a stay away order as a condition/requirement of his/her probation. In some mitigating circumstances the court can and does order both parties to comply with an order of protection and/or stay away order. Why? To prevent or protect both parties from themselves .. from future domestic abuse situations. In theory.

The judge in this case didn't take into consideration who started what first, he only looks at the evidence in front of him: Mr. Brown pleaded guilty to one count of felony assault. The judge looked at the charge, the evidence that supported that charge, and based his decision on that.

TD3 said:

the way i see it, the order is a deterrent for Rihanna. Judge basically telling her "don't even think about going back to that bastard!"

noimageatall said:

Good thing you're not a judge. Molesting somebody is much worse. 100 years is fine with me (unless it was a statutory thing in which case it depends). Of course I agree Brown needed some jail time too. Give him a couple of years behind bars and maybe he would have learned something from all of this.

There should be no plea bargains. People should have to do their time and once they've served it, their records should be clean. (Murderers, armed robbery convicts and violent sex offenders need to stay in jail) On top of that, all inmates should be put to work and earn their three meals a day-- nothing inordinate just 8 hours a day like everybody else. These guys should also have limited access to the things we enjoy so they aren't completely bitter fish out of water once they're back amongst us. The legal system needs to be stern but we mustn't forget that these are human beings too.


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whodknee said:

We have plea deals because not everybody is a murderer, armed robber or violent sex offender. There are such things as misdemeanors and non violent felony crimes. Sometimes plea deals do include jail time. The only thing fucked about the system is it's inequity with regard to race, education, marital status, gender, and financial/social standing. Depending on where you fall on the ladder of hierarchy be you offender/defendant or accuser/victim will determine how the justice system treats you.

DesireeNevermind said:

Bingo. It's kinda sad..... In other words, I'm not for sure the has come on. I wish judges would order mutual "full stay away"orders more often than they do.

TD3 said:

should be mandatory in these sad relationship/domestic cases.