brooksie said:

You presented yourself as someone who's older, and a whole bunch of posters here perceived it that way. That doesn't come from nowhere. You were talking about youngsters and the young generation in a tone that set yourself aside from them, like referring to those here who love old Funk as "such kids". Go back and read your posts, and maybe you'll understand what I mean.
I'm in my mid-30s, so why would you call me "kid" when we're the same age?

Now regarding your gender - you're right. I'm guilty as charged. Funk is such a male dominated genre, you'll find very few females who'll join a debate with as much passion and knowledge as you did. So forgive me for mistaking you for a male.

MrSoulpower You ask me why I'm so analytical, but you've already analized my age, gender, and my record collection based on a few posts?

It's actually a simple question from my PoV...I knew what the big sounds were gonna be even when I was a kid. The era had many distinct artists who were gonna be listened to and making moves years later. This site is prime example of such an artist. Part of the reason why I knew is because all of the genres we're discussing were being played in mainstream formats. We knew fully well where early samples came from cuz our parents had it and we could hear it on the dial. IOW, we heard the old and saw it incorproated into the new.

So of the people NOW, either mainstream or obscure, who will have the X.org site like we have here?

I'm constantly buying music but it's always old music that I'm buying. It would be nice to buy some good new music from the record store like I used to. Hell, I used to get a lot of the jams before the radio stations got them.

vainandy said:

ONLY YOU baby, only you! But I understand....I know by the time I get up to the 40's I will have an extremly extensive body of music to listen to so that when the clubs get old I can have too much to play. Im taking you have a huge range.

MrSoulpower said:

You don't act like it. Most people as old as we are shouldn't take shit so personally that's not aimed at them personally.

You guys inserted the generation stuff, so own it.

There's a reason why women don't get involved w/ music convos, let me tell ya.

That's because we had it good growing up and didn't have to search for good music. It was all over the radio and came to us. And if we heard a song that was a jam, we could go to the record store and it was in there. We didn't have to order it and wait for it to arrive. I grew up having good new music at my fingertips whenever I wanted it because the record store was in walking distance. Hell, you could search every record store in town nowadays and not come out with a damn thing unless it's something old that you've heard for years.

Mainstream music is total bullshit but people y'all's age are really lucky because you are hearing all that old music for the first time so new to your ears. Us older folks, on the other hand, have heard it for years. Yeah, we enjoy finding something old and rare that we didn't already have but we'd much rather have something new that we've never heard of before that is actually good music instead of some stripped down midtempo shit hop or adult contemporary R&B ballad or even some uptempo music with a shit hopper on it. I've come to despise shit hop so much these days for what it's done to the mainstream that I don't even want to hear it uptempo. I want it out of style and a new style to come about.

brooksie said:

I know, Im waiting. Im wondering why Teena Marie, Missy and Beyonce are basically the only females in the mainstream that have had a hand in producing their own music. Lack of knowledge?

brooksie said:

First, I wasn't being analytical. It was a pure observation.
I'm saying you're overly analytical because, at least going by your posts, the way you feel music comes second to what you think music should be like today. I think that's over analyzing things that really don't matter - to me. Maybe they matter to you.

Second, I don't care about what X.org our kids will be having. I don't need a website dedicated to one artist. I'm not even a Prince fan, and you'll never see me post in the Prince forum. There are enough forums for fans of oldschool Funk and Soul music that are not tied to one artist. We don't need no musical superstars. We just need good music.

Third, the fact that the Funk movement is underground today automatically eliminates the possibility of a X.org dedicated to a Funk artist. And that's perfectly fine with me. I'm looking for artists who will keep the old grooves alive. There are only a handful of old Soul legends who make music today like they used to back in the 1960s, with the same raw energy. Without the new bands, which reproduce the old sound, future generations will never know what music like this feels like when performed live. But if you go see a show by Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings, you'll get an idea of what it was like back in 1967 at the Apollo Theater.

It's not the past to them because they've never heard it before or grew up with it on a daily basis like we have so it's new to them. I'm glad some of them are listening to the older music because maybe it will influence a few of them who are musicians to release some good music. Although, it's probably hopeless though because if they jam, they would never get a record deal these days let alone radio airplay.

vainandy said:

Exactly. Hell, I grew up on my father's record collection. He had everything(Nat King Cole, Sinatra, Nina Simone, Cannonball Adderly, all the Motown/Atlantic/Stax hits, etc., etc.) That was a HUGE influence on me and my brother.

brooksie said:

I don't act like it? I take shit personally? As far as I remember, I did not send you a private message, accusing you of disrespecting me. You send me such message. So please don't act like I'm the one who takes matters personal, okay? Because I don't. I couldn't care less if you like the New Funk artists or not. I don't take offense to that.
The discussion that you and I had in the first place was over your claim that Funk is dead. And by the way, you have not returned to the initial thread with this discussion. But no worried, I don't take that personal.

The fact remains, I wasn't the only one who believed you were older, others felt the same way. I don't know you, all I can go by is what I read in your posts. And your posts seemed to be condescending towards those "young kids" who are now into Funk. Is it really surprising that someone would draw the conclusion that you're a bit older than mid-30s, especially after you called me "kid"? So why not take it as a compliment? After all, no one guessed your age based on a picture you posted.

vainandy said:

Funny thing is, I didn't live thru the BEST years of funk, IMHO. Mine was more Roger and Gapp, but the 60s and 70s had banging jams. I heard the older stuff, but the current stuff was like Dazz.

This part is the saddest part. I'm just wondering what mainstream popular music will influence the future? Hopefully, people will get tired of these platic sounds and go for something more real. In terms of Black popular music, it really bothers me that instrumentation is almost extinct.

As I said to you in another thread, I feel a change in the air. People are tired of autotune, drum machines, and canned tracks. Time for BANDS again.

brooksie said:

Now that I agree with. Which is why I don't understand why you can't feel new Funk artists picking up instruments, making real music. Isn't that what you want as well?

vainandy said:

Well i cant say wnything to that..you are right. It did help Amy Winehouse, Joss Stone to get recognition.. and Solange did a 60's 70's album....Saadiq did too...

Whether it's good or not (which is a matter of taste), why should you have to search for it? That's the problem here. We didn't have to search for it in the past and we shouldn't have to now.

And I'm all for change as long as it's good change. Yeah, I'm the one that was pissed when Shitney Houston changed things for the worst. Had she changed things for the better, I wouldn't have said one word. So yeah, I understand what it's like to want to stick with something that's great also and not have change. I fully understand both sides.




Hey, speak for yourself. But when I go looking for dick, I would prefer to get one that I've never had before every single time I get some dick. What can I say, I'm a whore. Yeah, I go back to some of the same ones on a regular basis but there's nothing like having a new one for the first time, pulling down that zipper, and not knowing what it's going to look like before it flops out.

vainandy said:

Yes, you had to search for it in the past. I would guarantee you that most of the old Funk and Soul that I play, you have never heard before in your life. You would have had to look hard to find it. And today that's even easier than back in the 1960s, because today you have the internet, podcasts and YouTube. So Funk collectors today have an advantage that people back in the day didn't have.
I started collecting in the early 90s. It was impossible to get some of the rare records on my want list, but today, I have a better chance, because they may come up on Ebay. See my point?

But I agree with you on the mainstream. Back in the day, mainstream music was much better. However, that has little to do with accessibility.

That's because you started collecting it in the 1990s when that type of music was already out of style. Hell, you would have had a hard time finding those records on your list in the early 80s or even during the disco era because the type of funk that you like was already out of style. Hell, back in those days, things moved fast and the majority of artists put out a new album every year. Once that artist had a new album out, it was hard to find their previous album unless they were a huge star like Prince or Michael Jackson. Once those songs went out of style, the record store didn't order any more copies of them.

But I guarantee you, had you bought those records when they were brand new, in style, and getting radio airplay, they would have been very easy to find in most any record store. I have all kinds of 12 Inches and 45s from totally forgotten groups from the early 80s that weren't even huge back then such as Glass, Warp 9, Project Future, Sunrize, Goodie, etc. but those records were in full stock in the record stores when they were brand new. You can't say the same about obscure groups today. Those groups aren't even in the record stores even when they are brand new, let alone out of style. However, those obscure jams from back then were getting regular airplay so somebody (like myself) was likely to buy it if the record store kept it in stock. That's the difference.

I started buying records in 1978 and the majority of my vinyl, I bought it when it was brand new. And I have lots of stuff that is considered obscure these days and had no problem finding it when it was brand new.
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I kept all my music from back in the day and will never part with it. I started out buying the latest disco. Then I started buying the latest funk of the day and also the latest rap jams of the day (the funky ones that people have labelled "electro" these days, not the slow shit hop ones). Then I started buying house/dance music in the late 80s through the mid 1990s. When acid trance took over house music and shit hop took over R&B, that's when I started going backwards and buying 70s funk that I had not bought earlier because I was too young and didn't start buying funk till the year 1980 after disco died. Then when I got a huge collection of that funk, then I started buying a lot of 80s pop/rock, hard rock, and some heavy metal. I've always moved forward and never moved backwards until shit hop made things unbearable. Hell, I've even got some country in my collection. Now, I've even got Count Basie's "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy Of Company B".

I have definately expanded my tastes a lot since the days when I only listened to the latest disco, funk, house, or any other funky type of dance music. It's when there was nothing good that was new, that I was forced to explore other forms of music so I know exactly why you explore older music yourself even though a lot of it was before your time. I don't just adjust to bullshit because that's all there is. I drop it all together and go out kicking and screaming. But to just not listen to the mainstream isn't enough. I've got to shit all up and down, backwards and forwards, and sideways all over it. Hell, if the motherfuckers can't enterain me musically, I can at least get entertainment out of shitting on them. Hell, they're entertainers right? Well, I'm going to be entertained by them one way or another.

vainandy said:

MrSoulpower said:

I know Pari and we've had some deep discussion on the way to the vinyl dig. I thought I was a bad cat but this cat knows his shit simple. I love y'all I do But what I am trying to convey here is that this cat did his research and studied his shit for discussions like this. If you saw his 45 collection or even 1 of his 45 boxes trust me you'd shit in your pants twice.
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IAintTheOne said:

I appreciate the kudos, man. But that's exactly what I'm talking about. Collecting Funk records is a science, especially when it comes to 45s. There is just so much out there, it's unbelievable. Back in the day, as a collector, it would have been impossible to get at least an idea of 10% that's out there.
Today, we have the internet. DJs and collectors are well connected, and every new discovery is shared with everyone else. Which is why I don't own every super rare record, but I know most of them, and because of file sharing, I have actually heard them.

I love me some Vainandy, but he's totally off track if he believes that back in the 60s or 70s, you could have simply walked into a store and bought every Funk 45 out there. This leads us back to the original discussion - even back in the day, Funk was deep underground, except for a few artists who went mainstream and whose records had national distribution. To most Funk artists, the concept of national distribution and even a royalty check was foreign. They would have their latest single pressed with a small local independent label, maybe 200 or 500 of them, and then go to local DJs to hustle them or put them on consignment in local record stores. These songs never, ever became hits back in the day - but today, young Funk fans fron all over the world dance to these tunes in clubs, and DJs pay horrendeous amounts of money for these records.

MrSoulpower said:

Lmao I know man I used to be record hustler and I know what its all about man it is not easy. a lot of these records have gone unnoticed by radio and what not. So many good records ended up by the wayside because of this. BTW I saw what Felty is selling on ebay. Holy shit 20.00 for that Manhattans on bell? kinda cheap eh?
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Yeah and there's tons of music from back then that you NEVER hear EVER and the discovery of these tracks is amazing to me and even more amazing is how overlooked some of those 45's you mention, Pari, be it funk, rock or soul by music artists, lol.

IAintTheOne said:

Felty is always reasonable. He'd never rip someone off.

I have a list of records coming for you as well. Just didn't have the time to grade them.

Timmy84 said:

Absolutely, which is why it gives me hope that people now have interest in artists who didn't know how to pay their bills back in the day, but today, fans all over the world make it happen to bring these artists back, be it for new recordings or on stage.

Funk isn't dead. Funk is more widespread and alive than ever.

MrSoulpower said:

grade? Shit I trust you you know that but you being a perfectionist i'll wait for you to grade em.

IAintTheOne said:

I grade them so I know how I can price them, dude.

MrSoulpower said:

Lmao I know man. im fuckin witcha

Timmy84 said:

Its a never ending search to find dirty gritty hardcore funk.

paisleypark4 said:

Tell me about it. And ask my wife how she feels about my out of control spending.

But my point was, it's so much easier to find the rare records these days - and to find out about them in the first place. I don't like to buy of Ebay, and I rarely do it (only if it's a record that I know I won't find out diggin'). I prefer traditional record hunts at thrift stores, flea markets, warehouses or talking widows into selling the collections of their recently deceased husbands.