vainandy said:

I got used to young people dissing me liking old school music. However I have taught them and trained them children to appreciate it. The thing is I'm not only finding new funk music...I am finding OLD music too to this day. I just started hearing people like Xavion and Shuggie Otis this year...there too much old school for me not to look just as much as new funk like Dap Kings and Bastian.

I can give a cotton picking if the clubs don't play it anymore..as long as they still play some uptempo songs like Beyonce, Missy etc. (as they do in Minneapolis / I leave when the mid-tempo hip hop stuff come on).

If I never searched for better music in the world I would have became a brainwashed tool like most of the kids today...and hell if I sit and listen to old music all day in the basement acting as if the world ended like some ol' hag.

Ok let me throw something out there. Look at the original list of artist's that I posted above. Does anybody out there make music anywhere near the caliber and quality of any one on this list? Is there anybody close to the EWF standard, they dont have to be a famous group. Are there any new groups that can match
Blue Magic or the Stylistics as far as romantic music. Anybody as downright and consistantly funky as the Barkays or Cameo or Confunkshun? [b]Anybody that can fill Thom Bells or Gamble and Huffs shoes. I have not heard anyone new that has risen to that standard. If you know any groups that are able to carry that flag please let me know. I want to support groups that respect the art of music.
But maybe Im asking to much because even those groups on the list are not able
to match themselves in their prime.

You can say that again! Talk about labels having a double standard. If you flip through the radio stations, you'll find some kind of new rock. It may be a bunch of loud grinding guitars with a bunch of yelling on top of it but it's still rock and it's still on the radio. Try looking for some new funk of any kind on the radio. You ain't gonna find it.

This is what makes me furious. Why the hell should I have to search for it. And once I find it, then what? Since it's not in the mainstream, that means I'm gonna listen to it all by my damn self. Hell naw, fuck that. Good music needs to be in the mainstream so it will be played in clubs and other people will like it also. That way, if I don't get lucky and bring someone home for the night, at least I was entertained in the club and actually had a chance to shake some ass rather than being bored out of my damn skull and the evening wouldn't be a total waste.

I may be 41 but dammitt, I'm gay and don't have no wife and kids and don't want none. A lot of straight people my age may be happy to just sit in the background, watch their kids live their lives, and go in a back room and listen to their own type of music in private. Well dammitt, I'm a whore and us whores have to go out to find dick. And when I'm on the prowl, I want to be entertained, not bored.

vainandy said:

This is TRUTH. The fact that you have to search for it is outrageous. The fact that 60+ year old guys can put out new material in one genre and get play while any acts w/ a certain sound CAN'T is problematic. Black music has been reduced to hip hop in the mainstream, as you well know. It's amazing that rnb was so diverse at one time and it's come down to this, either listen to hip hop OR spend your time searching for obscure music online. Most folks will just dig in their collections and call it a day. It's depressing!

The thing about Soulpowers download I just got was.....I THOUGHT IT WAS OLD. I sat here like...um....am I listening to the WRONG STATION!?!? Did I get the right download? But he said it was new funk...I kind of still dont believe him...I still dont..I have to see it myself.

paisleypark4 said:

I swear to you, they are all new bands. The Poets of Rhythm have been around for a while, and their track that I played on my show is from their first album, which was released in 1993. That was the oldest tune on the show.

All the other songs were recorded between 2006 and 2009.

Damn, we got a real generational gap here.

The younger ones are the ones searching and enjoying new shit, the older ones: "the hell y'all searching? Music's dead."


Least we ain't listening to NoSoulJaIdiot! SUPAMAN THAT ASS ON OUTTA HERE!

MrSoulpower said:

seriously? Even that "Jam" one? And the Stone Cold Christmas one? Oh lord I was DAYNCIN to that one.. I SWEAR that could not be made recently! I SWEAR! I wanted to cry almost...it was just too good.

brooksie said:

If people dont like going online searching and finding new classics so be it. I will not get lazy and let my collection and music knowledge stop because you let the man take your funk out of your life.

F that...my funk knows no boundaries...the funk I know is never ending. There is still OLD FUNK to find you guys..there are still classics in old mom & pop stores waiting to be dug. It's best it stay that way. Its appreciated.

The thing about Soulpowers download I just got was.....I THOUGHT IT WAS OLD. I sat here like...um....am I listening to the WRONG STATION!?!? Did I get the right download? But he said it was new funk...I kind of still dont believe him...I still dont..I have to see it myself.

Anyway yall want to sit and moan about what was when what was aint going to happen. YOU have to make it happen. Support real musicians...like Vain said..dont support ringtone rap plain and simple. Its fun to talk about but its not doing anything

You took this a bit too personally, methinks. Nobody says YOU or anyone shouldn't search, if you choose....I search for sounds I HAVEN'T heard, not stuff I have.

Damn, we got a real generational gap here.

The younger ones are the ones searching and enjoying new shit, the older ones: "the hell y'all searching? Music's dead."



Least we ain't listening to NoSoulJaIdiot! SUPAMAN THAT ASS ON OUTTA HERE!

Yes, we have a generation gap because I wonder why such young kids are so content w/ holding on to the past...someone else's past?! Why don't you find something new rather than hanging on to stuff that came from a time and place that has little to do w/ you? Honestly, this is why music is stuck in a rut. Talking about lazy, sitting around listening to shit online by yourself is the exactly what lazy is. Sorry folks, little that is both NEW and GOOD will come from this attitude.

brooksie said:

Because it's great fuckin' music!! What's wrong with sticking with what you think is best?
Who are you to judge that nothing GOOD will come out of this when a whole new generation of Funk fans would strongly disagree with you? Is your judgment the ultimate rule on the legacy of Funk? You don't sound like you're too happy with music, man.
See, it's exactly your attitude that is the reason why Funk is not appreciated as much here in the States. You're trying too hard to constantly find something new that you forget how precious and beautiful the old thing is.
What's next? Shall I leave my wife because there are many new chicks to bone? Or do I stay with her because I love her and she makes me feel like no one else does?

brooksie said:

Because it's great fuckin' music!! What's wrong with sticking with what you think is best?
Who are you to judge that nothing GOOD will come out of this when a whole new generation of Funk fans would strongly disagree with you? Is your judgment the ultimate rule on the legacy of Funk? You don't sound like you're too happy with music, man.
See, it's exactly your attitude that is the reason why Funk is not appreciated as much here in the States. You're trying too hard to constantly find something new that you forget how precious and beautiful the old thing is.
What's next? Shall I leave my wife because there are many new chicks to bone? Or do I stay with her because I love her and she makes me feel like no one else does?

Yes, we have a generation gap because I wonder why such young kids are so content w/ holding on to the past...someone else's past?! Why don't you find something new rather than hanging on to stuff that came from a time and place that has little to do w/ you? Honestly, this is why music is stuck in a rut. Talking about lazy, sitting around listening to shit online by yourself is the exactly what lazy is. Sorry folks, little that is both NEW and GOOD will come from this attitude.

Timmy84 said:

EXACTLY

brooksie said:

I do not agree..the more we do - the more we are influenced to produce good quailty music. Where do you think our inspiration supposed to come from?

What, I guess all the popular artists right now are what we are supposed to look up to? There isnt alot to choose from. There are some out there but things are not revolutionary anymore. No one is daring to be different except Lady Gaga Black Eyed Peas and Erykah Badu

We dont have influence to have a African American real band in America. It just aint there and there may never be. But her we got a black president..who knows..music can change one day.

MrSoulpower said:

Chill...really. Cool down kid...save the lectures. I simply disagree w/ ya. I have just as much right to state my opinion as you do yours. What makes you think your opinion is more valuable than mine?
[Edited 6/23/09 13:38pm]

paisleypark4 said:

It's funny, people like you, bboy and MrSoulPower introduce some new stuff, some just avoid it like the black plaque. And we're supposed to be depressed when we post CLASSIC shit?

Debbie Downers in the building. Sorry, but they're just are.

MrSoulpower said:

Damn, Pari, but I feel ya, man. It's definitely an age thing I guess. Don't crush a youngin's dream from wanting to find the old (and new) stuff that could be good. I mean, you're not searching, brook, so you have your opinion and we have ours. And I can go BACK to the beginning of the 20th century onwards to the '30s, '40s, '50s and '60s to find good black music and if I'm directed, good black music NOW:

http://www.soul-patrol.com/

I mean if you DON'T wanna check it out, that's fine, but don't act like everything's dead.

brooksie said:

That's the point, man. It's okay to disagree, and I can respect another opinion. But the way I see, you came here acting like the final authority on Funk, dismissing an entire global movement of Funk fans simply because you want to see music to progress. This movement didn't even exist 30 - 40 years ago, yet you still act like Funk is dead.

P.S. Calling me "kid" is a bit condescending, don't you think?
[Edited 6/23/09 13:59pm]

Timmy84 said:

Assuming that brooksie is older than us (maybe in his 40s, maybe 50s), there is still so much Funk music that he hasn't heard, old and new. I'd put money on it that he hasn't even heard 70 percent of the tunes in my 45 shelf. And there is so much music that other DJs/collectors have that I haven't heard yet. There are literally thousands of 45s by unknown or little known artists.

What amazes me is that brooksie seems to dis the younger generation who finally give this music and these artists the respect they deserve. What's wrong with that? It's a beautiful thing. Most of the Soul and Funk legends I have worked with felt like they did not get the love they deserve here in America, but now they get it in Europe or Asia, from fans who could be their children or grandchildren.

How one could put a negative spin on this is a mystery to me.

Let me ask y'all something. You talk about the importance of influences (as opposed to revivialism)...OK, when you all get to be say mid 30s and kids (maybe yours) are coming along feeling your generation's music, what will it sound like? Example, let's say I listened to Motown from my parents generation and it had it's sound and nowadays, young folks are vibing off old school hip hop, MJ, Prince, etc... so what will YOUR sound be? Considering most of you seem to be in your mid 20s, you should have a good idea.

Why even think about that? Why make it so analytical? I love music because it makes me feel good. I don't pick my tunes keeping in mind what my own kids will think about it 20 years from now. The problem with today's mainstream music is that it sucks, while old Funk and Soul is timeless. I'm 34, and at some of my gigs I see 18 year old Hip Hop heads who have discovered Funk and now they are getting into it. James Brown, Dyke and the Blazers, Curtis Mayfield, etc .. they will always be there, because they have created some serious music. But 30 years from now, you won't be seeing T-Pain or Lil Wayne inspiring youngsters. Mark my words.

Nobody is saying anything against inspiration or learning from the past, but it shouldn't stop there either.

Who said that is stopped there? Most people that I know who are heavily into oldschool Funk have explored new music - Hip Hop, House, Electro, you name it. But in the end, they returned to Funk because to them, that's the most real music.

Earlier generations learned from the past, but they built on it...they didn't just recreate the old sounds. Music reflects the time, technology, and social situations in which it was created, that's a fact. I LOVE Scott Joplin, for example, the music is beautiful and it gives me a glimpse into life in that period. However, I enjoy plenty of music from the past across genres, I'm able to enjoy today's music too.

I enjoy some of today's music as well, but I prefer vintage sounds. It's about how it makes me feel. And that's all that matters. I have no obligation to explain this to anyone, and I don't have to answer to anyone for that. I am doing that here out of pure courtesy.

Timmy84 said:

Assuming that brooksie is older than us (maybe in his 40s, maybe 50s), there is still so much Funk music that he hasn't heard, old and new. I'd put money on it that he hasn't even heard 70 percent of the tunes in my 45 shelf. And there is so much music that other DJs/collectors have that I haven't heard yet. There are literally thousands of 45s by unknown or little known artists.

What amazes me is that brooksie seems to dis the younger generation who finally give this music and these artists the respect they deserve. What's wrong with that? It's a beautiful thing. Most of the Soul and Funk legends I have worked with felt like they did not get the love they deserve here in America, but now they get it in Europe or Asia, from fans who could be their children or grandchildren.

How one could put a negative spin on this is a mystery to me.

paisleypark4 said:

I can give a cotton picking if the clubs don't play it anymore..as long as they still play some uptempo songs like Beyonce, Missy etc. (as they do in Minneapolis / I leave when the mid-tempo hip hop stuff come on).

and hell if I sit and listen to old music all day in the basement acting as if the world ended like some ol' hag.