midiscover said:

So you are condoning what R Kelly did with that gurl and it was her fault?! That's fucked up. This is not the first time R Kelly was with an underage gurls.....Aaliyah. In fact, he implied that he liked underage gurls on Anderson Cooper. Let's not forget that the parents of the boys were the ones that accused michael...one when michael wouldn't gave the one dad money or a movie script. Funny that most of that money went to the dad of the first accuser and the boy hasn't talked to their parents since 1994 as well the other one who sold their story to a tabloid as well current accuser mother who made her children lie in a previous case about sexual harassment on a JC penny employee. so really I have many reason why I believe michael is innocent....and it;s not because im a fan...it's because the evidence is there. I'm not going to argue about this anyone. I've gotten a lot of info from credible sources. You're gonna believe what you wanna believe as when as I'm gonna believe what i'm gonna believe.

Whatever happened to the Pete Townsend case anyway?

I think it's quite easy to seperate people's personal lives from their music

For example, I'm a fan of George Michael, but George's issues with drugs and his sexual escapades are too much for many people to ignore. Hell, I know people who can't listen to Careless Whisper because him coming out messed the song up for them

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I didn't know all this about you, I thought you were kind of a troll until I read this, forgive me I agree with every word you've said and though I'm a fan, I do acknowledge his responsibility in this, and it is true that people lie. I've worked with abuse victims and some of them (not all) are sadly liars like the Arvizzos too time to time, and I have a high school friend that was accused of child abuse and is still suffering from how much he lost even though he was found not guilty.
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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I'm not saying it's her fault! But it's not fair to fault R.Kelly completely just because that girl is underage! and Aaliyah denied that she was 15 so again she wasn't FORCED against her will either! and MJ said that it was fine to share your bed with little boys...here's the interview



Besides they both did some stupid shit but I don't think people should judge base by their art like the OP of this thread stated and Oh did you get my message

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Besides they both did some stupid shit but I don't think people should judge base by their art like the OP of this thread stated and Oh did you get my message

bboy87 said:

Funny you should ask cuz I'm the resident Who/Pete fan. Pete copped a plea of some sort and went down on record as a registered sex offender for 5 years. Since this happened in 03, he should have gotten off the list in 08.

Apparently this list didn't stop Pete from touring. I would thik w/ some countries he'd have to notify before entering OR it was on his passport. Dunno how that was carried out, but he was listed.

For people who don't know what I'm talking, Pete was arrested for possession of kiddie porn a la Gary Glitter. He claimed he was doing some sort of research w/ the OK of some child protection org.

alphastreet said:

I've been on this board for years since 05. I just took a break. I think that a lot of people have all this assumptions about mj fans believing that he is perfect. I do not, I think he suffers from a lot of issues but is not as crazy as people think him to be. i think the problem is that some people fail to look at the bigger picture. Michael should of watched his back. he put himself in the position. Although, no one deserves to be falsely accused of child molestion, michael needed a reality check. he's learned his lesson and like he said to geraldo, he will never put himself in that position every again.
I am an opinionated person and outspoken. I think that I could be seen as a troll because I am like that...but I feel that some of things I say do have some truth to them.

midiscover said:

Well I couldn't stand R Kelly before the allegations anyway so I'm clear

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I'm a crazy obsessed fan too, but even I'm objective about this type of stuff and was really pissed with him. For me, bed sharing is normal and I can see how it's acceptable in some cultures cause I grew up with that, but for him, it was NEVER okay and VERY STUPID to do after being accused the first time, that I don't blame people for thinking he's guilty cause he made it easy, though I think he's innocent and was set up. And with a fear factor in the air these days of lawsuits and scandals, I would not advise anyone to do it nowadays especially when they are already vulnerable.
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bboy87 said:

Why?

brooksie said:

so he was falsely accused then?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

No...he was guilty of the possession. He copped a plea, so he had no trial.

brooksie said:

so why did he have it then...was he researching for the organization?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

So he claimed. There were tons of sting ops in the UK around that time for kiddie porn and he got caught DLing it w/ his credit card. So he wasn't fasely accused of possession, but of intent...who knows?

brooksie said:

o ok

midiscover said:

I never liked his music. I hate "I Believe I Can Fly", I didn't like "Keep It On The Downlow", and I won't even go on about the disdain I hold for Trapped In The Closet, Step In The Name Of Love, and Happy People

Now, he's just lame with no going back. Did you see that video for Hairbraider?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

In general, Americans are upset by what the media tells them 2 be upset about. Period.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I didn't know all this about you, I thought you were kind of a troll until I read this, forgive me I agree with every word you've said and though I'm a fan, I do acknowledge his responsibility in this, and it is true that people lie. I've worked with abuse victims and some of them (not all) are sadly liars like the Arvizzos too time to time, and I have friend who I went to high school with that was accused of child abuse and is still suffering from how much he lost even though he was found not guilty.
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Problem is the pop artist's popularity is largely related to their image... It's all part of the marketing.

The two are tied together from the beginning.

Why does "street cred" matter to rap artists... the music is what it is regardless of the truth of the image... why does the life of the artist matter? It's a part of the image.
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Graycap23 said:

bingo!

coolcat said:

Ironic thing about it is that most rappers aren't or never were gangsters.

Zannaloaf said:

Much of it is media muckraking and some of it is from the artists themselves. Nothing in America sells quite so much as controversy, no matter fake it is.

brooksie said:

Rick Ross was a corrections officer. You cannot have anything on your record if you work in that field. That shows how fake a lot of this rappers are. I didn't mind rick ross but now I can't stand him...he's so fake.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

But part of the job of an entertainer is to be a fake... like an actor...

trueiopian said:

Please don't insult my intelligence
It really is not a laughing matter. There are many people as well as myself that believe he is innocent. People have different opinions...remember to respect them. Just remember not everyone and everyone on this board believes what you believe about michael or janet as matter of fact. There are various reasons why I believe Michael is not a pedophile. There is so much evidence that backs Michael's innocence. I don't think michael is perfect, I think that he got caught up in this save the world mentality. He's made some dumb decisions and had too many..probably still does...yes men around him. He's been too nice( no pun intended) to too many people and this has led too many people to take advantage of him. He's out of touch with reality and as well has irresposibiliy/arrogance/stubborness streak right through him. I've read numerous court transcripts, info on the case...psychoologocal stuff...lets not forget I hav a criminology degree so I have info on that stuff as well. Let's remember that the accuser were teenage boys, not little boys so there is a possibility of lying. People can be falsely accused, even of child molestion. I can remember in my criminal investigation class, our teacher who was a sheriff wastenaw county in michigan told us of a story of a collegue that he worked with was falsely accused of it by his daughter who has something wrong with her mentally...he passed the lie detector test...but is knocking on death's door...lost his wife...job...and is near death. I also had a guy at my church who would have church guys/street guys come over play video games/watch tv/eat food so people could socialize and stay out of trouble. I can remember he abrutly left the church and I heard that some parent accused him of doing something...but I talked to guys who went over there and they said nothing happened. And I believe them. It is possible to be falsely accused any crime.
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