daPrettyman said: KatSkrizzle said: All media is kept alive by advertising dollars. The higher they score in the ratings, the more corporate advertising money they make. The music is REALLY secondary. Folks that actually fill out the Arbitron surveys are what really determine where the stations rank in each market.
In the advent of Internet media, traditional sources have seen a significant decrease in ad dollars. Print is almost dead. It is NOT. ALL. ABOUT. THE. MUSIC. It's about Pepsi's, (insert any corporation) marketing dollars. If the stations take a risk, that usually means dips in ratings and fewer dollars. In any media source's defense, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. In my opinion, radio is WAY too expensive to advertise with anyway. TV is WAY cheaper...locally I'm glad Baisden got some vocal coaching, cause that dude screamed into the microphone all day. I could never understand his appeal. He is a very sanctamonious (spelling?) and self righteous man. But now he doesn't sound like he pukes when he speaks, so I guess that's a good thing. I cannot stand Baisden either. He is such an ass. I still can't get what made someone want to offer him a show. I know the guy did radio before he did his show, but being a self-proclaimed "relationship expert" and doing the same topics day in and day out is very boring to me. I've met him a few times and he is a total ass. He really thinks he's a celebrity. The dude carries himself like he's Prince or something. I actually saw this idiot at the grocery store about 4 months ago. He had been to the gym and was buying all kinds of nuts and dried fruit. I thought to myself "nuts for a nut" and snickered. He then recognized me and we shook hands and spoke. It was funny though. I don't listen to this fool's show often but I have friends that work with him and the stories they tell are RIDICULOUS. Relationship expert my right pinky toe [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] | |
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SCNDLS said: daPrettyman said: I cannot stand Baisden either. He is such an ass. I still can't get what made someone want to offer him a show. I know the guy did radio before he did his show, but being a self-proclaimed "relationship expert" and doing the same topics day in and day out is very boring to me. I've met him a few times and he is a total ass. He really thinks he's a celebrity. The dude carries himself like he's Prince or something. I actually saw this idiot at the grocery store about 4 months ago. He had been to the gym and was buying all kinds of nuts and dried fruit. I thought to myself "nuts for a nut" and snickered. He then recognized me and we shook hands and spoke. It was funny though. I don't listen to this fool's show often but I have friends that work with him and the stories they tell are RIDICULOUS. Relationship expert my right pinky toe [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] | |
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KatSkrizzle said: SCNDLS said: I don't listen to this fool's show often but I have friends that work with him and the stories they tell are RIDICULOUS. Relationship expert my right pinky toe [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] Damn I had flashbacks of Terrence Howard. | |
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vainandy said: You damn right I'm mad. Music has always been my number one source or entertainment and when it becomes stripped down to nothing but a weak sounding beat and some talking or singing and never gets faster than a damn waltz tempo, that makes me extremely bored and when I get bored, I get angry. And no, the radio didn't mastermind this shit, the labels did because shit hop was the cheapest form of music to make. The radio was a big part in helping them by keeping anything that might threaten it out. And as for the shit hoppers making it big on the internet, yeah, of course that's going to happen. They were raised on bullshit their entire lifetime thanks to these labels and radio and they have an entire audience that was raised on nothing but bullshit. However, if both radio and labels were to fall and there was nothing but the internet, then eventually people would finally get bored with it and something else would finally take over and styles would finally change since no one would be around making sure that the styles don't change. . . . [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] I ran into folks like this all the time during my tenure in radio. Bitter folks that feel that they never got their chance to shine and have an unnatural strong hate for anything radio, music, etc. I was always like, "you can have this!" People that were so mad at us and swore they hated the station would jump at the slight chance to be where we were. I felt the bitterness inside me beginning to grow and I walked away. Doing voice work from home and other side hustles makes me a lot happier. I pray that one day you won't be so full of bitterness. There's a world left out there to live in. The demise of the world cannot all be blamed on "shit hop" | |
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NMuzakNSoul said: KatSkrizzle said: Damn I had flashbacks of Terrence Howard. | |
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Kind of sounds like the same situation in this thread about radio stations being required to pay artists?
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SCNDLS said: NMuzakNSoul said: Damn I had flashbacks of Terrence Howard. Cold.....blooded. | |
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SCNDLS said: NMuzakNSoul said: Damn I had flashbacks of Terrence Howard. If I was dude I wouldn't be so cocky. [Edited 6/11/09 7:07am] | |
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Graycap23 said: SCNDLS said: Cold.....blooded. | |
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NMuzakNSoul said: SCNDLS said: If I was dude I wouldn't be so cocky. [Edited 6/11/09 7:07am] Exactly! | |
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SCNDLS said: Graycap23 said: Cold.....blooded. .....and I likes..... | |
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KatSkrizzle said: vainandy said: You damn right I'm mad. Music has always been my number one source or entertainment and when it becomes stripped down to nothing but a weak sounding beat and some talking or singing and never gets faster than a damn waltz tempo, that makes me extremely bored and when I get bored, I get angry. And no, the radio didn't mastermind this shit, the labels did because shit hop was the cheapest form of music to make. The radio was a big part in helping them by keeping anything that might threaten it out. And as for the shit hoppers making it big on the internet, yeah, of course that's going to happen. They were raised on bullshit their entire lifetime thanks to these labels and radio and they have an entire audience that was raised on nothing but bullshit. However, if both radio and labels were to fall and there was nothing but the internet, then eventually people would finally get bored with it and something else would finally take over and styles would finally change since no one would be around making sure that the styles don't change. . . . [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] I ran into folks like this all the time during my tenure in radio. Bitter folks that feel that they never got their chance to shine and have an unnatural strong hate for anything radio, music, etc. I was always like, "you can have this!" People that were so mad at us and swore they hated the station would jump at the slight chance to be where we were. I felt the bitterness inside me beginning to grow and I walked away. Doing voice work from home and other side hustles makes me a lot happier. I pray that one day you won't be so full of bitterness. There's a world left out there to live in. The demise of the world cannot all be blamed on "shit hop" Apparently you don't know anything about me at all because if you did, you would know that I never change my views no matter who likes it and never sell out. I have an open invitation as we speak to DJ in a club that I would have given my right arm to DJ in back in the early 90s when it had a slammin' underground club music scene. A friend of mine who works security there who I've made several mixes for over the years had played some of them for the owner (old mixes of course) and he asked if I would come DJ there. My first words were...."What the hell would I play? Shit hop?" (which is what is dominating that club these days). Oh hell no, Andy don't do shit hop in no shape, form, or fashion, not even in the smallest doses. Of course they were like...."just go through the motions until the style changes". My response..."What change, hell nothing's changed in 15 years and I have a reputation and don't want anything shitty like that associated with my name period. And I would look like a total damn hypocrit playing shit that I absolutely despise". And as for radio, the only way I would work in it would be at an oldies station. And even then, it would be a constant fight because I would insist on playing some of the harder jams and not just stick to the extremely popular oldies. And then I would want to mix sometimes and be more creative than simply just playing one song after another that don't even sound good together. I would be one wanting to bring about change and radio doesn't want to change. So no, I would definately not jump at the chance to be where you are. I have too much pride and am too damn hard headed. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SCNDLS said: NMuzakNSoul said: If I was dude I wouldn't be so cocky. [Edited 6/11/09 7:07am] Exactly! Some women would have to play it on their blue ray dvd to even spot the thing. At least that will bring some more detail to those microscopic matters at hand. | |
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NMuzakNSoul said: SCNDLS said: Exactly! Some women would have to play it on their blue ray dvd to even spot the thing. At least that will bring some more detail to those microscopic matters at hand. | |
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vainandy said: Apparently you don't know anything about me at all because if you did, you would know that I never change my views no matter who likes it and never sell out. I have an open invitation as we speak to DJ in a club that I would have given my right arm to DJ in back in the early 90s when it had a slammin' underground club music scene. A friend of mine who works security there who I've made several mixes for over the years had played some of them for the owner (old mixes of course) and he asked if I would come DJ there. My first words were...."What the hell would I play? Shit hop?" (which is what is dominating that club these days). Oh hell no, Andy don't do shit hop in no shape, form, or fashion, not even in the smallest doses. Of course they were like...."just go through the motions until the style changes". My response..."What change, hell nothing's changed in 15 years and I have a reputation and don't want anything shitty like that associated with my name period. And I would look like a total damn hypocrit playing shit that I absolutely despise". And as for radio, the only way I would work in it would be at an oldies station. And even then, it would be a constant fight because I would insist on playing some of the harder jams and not just stick to the extremely popular oldies. And then I would want to mix sometimes and be more creative than simply just playing one song after another that don't even sound good together. I would be one wanting to bring about change and radio doesn't want to change. So no, I would definately not jump at the chance to be where you are. I have too much pride and am too damn hard headed. You wouldn't play anything. Radio is ran by a program called Selector. Your PD or Music Director would schedule all the music. The only thing you sell is the station, the advertisements, and your voice. Don't get it twisted. I mean, I can see that in your demo, yeah today's music wouldn't be your niche. There really is nothing sexy about a 40 to 50 year old man trying to be down. So you have a point. I just still think you're bitter. Like your neck tightens up when someone mentions Bahamadia or something. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: vainandy said: Apparently you don't know anything about me at all because if you did, you would know that I never change my views no matter who likes it and never sell out. I have an open invitation as we speak to DJ in a club that I would have given my right arm to DJ in back in the early 90s when it had a slammin' underground club music scene. A friend of mine who works security there who I've made several mixes for over the years had played some of them for the owner (old mixes of course) and he asked if I would come DJ there. My first words were...."What the hell would I play? Shit hop?" (which is what is dominating that club these days). Oh hell no, Andy don't do shit hop in no shape, form, or fashion, not even in the smallest doses. Of course they were like...."just go through the motions until the style changes". My response..."What change, hell nothing's changed in 15 years and I have a reputation and don't want anything shitty like that associated with my name period. And I would look like a total damn hypocrit playing shit that I absolutely despise". And as for radio, the only way I would work in it would be at an oldies station. And even then, it would be a constant fight because I would insist on playing some of the harder jams and not just stick to the extremely popular oldies. And then I would want to mix sometimes and be more creative than simply just playing one song after another that don't even sound good together. I would be one wanting to bring about change and radio doesn't want to change. So no, I would definately not jump at the chance to be where you are. I have too much pride and am too damn hard headed. You wouldn't play anything. Radio is ran by a program called Selector. Your PD or Music Director would schedule all the music. The only thing you sell is the station, the advertisements, and your voice. Don't get it twisted. I mean, I can see that in your demo, yeah today's music wouldn't be your niche. There really is nothing sexy about a 40 to 50 year old man trying to be down. So you have a point. I just still think you're bitter. Like your neck tightens up when someone mentions Bahamadia or something. One of my homegirls is married to a former DJ in Dallas who worked at the #2 station. He's like 48 years old and was laid off over 3 years ago, yet he's STILL holding on for a job on a hip/hop station. I'm like, dude, I'm 36 and wouldn't wanna hear your old ass on the radio. Imagine what an 18 year old would think. He's so fucking annoying, dressing like he's 20 years younger, wearing one pant leg up. Shit, if that doesn't show you older than Methuselah (sp?) I don't know what does. I really hate this fool. [Edited 6/11/09 7:51am] | |
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KatSkrizzle said: vainandy said: Apparently you don't know anything about me at all because if you did, you would know that I never change my views no matter who likes it and never sell out. I have an open invitation as we speak to DJ in a club that I would have given my right arm to DJ in back in the early 90s when it had a slammin' underground club music scene. A friend of mine who works security there who I've made several mixes for over the years had played some of them for the owner (old mixes of course) and he asked if I would come DJ there. My first words were...."What the hell would I play? Shit hop?" (which is what is dominating that club these days). Oh hell no, Andy don't do shit hop in no shape, form, or fashion, not even in the smallest doses. Of course they were like...."just go through the motions until the style changes". My response..."What change, hell nothing's changed in 15 years and I have a reputation and don't want anything shitty like that associated with my name period. And I would look like a total damn hypocrit playing shit that I absolutely despise". And as for radio, the only way I would work in it would be at an oldies station. And even then, it would be a constant fight because I would insist on playing some of the harder jams and not just stick to the extremely popular oldies. And then I would want to mix sometimes and be more creative than simply just playing one song after another that don't even sound good together. I would be one wanting to bring about change and radio doesn't want to change. So no, I would definately not jump at the chance to be where you are. I have too much pride and am too damn hard headed. You wouldn't play anything. Radio is ran by a program called Selector. Your PD or Music Director would schedule all the music. The only thing you sell is the station, the advertisements, and your voice. Don't get it twisted. I mean, I can see that in your demo, yeah today's music wouldn't be your niche. There really is nothing sexy about a 40 to 50 year old man trying to be down. So you have a point. I just still think you're bitter. Like your neck tightens up when someone mentions Bahamadia or something. Uh...I don't use phrases like "to be down". That whole shit hop attitude, lifestyle, and lingo is what I would love to see change. And yes, I am bitter. I never said I wasn't so there's no arguement there. And I understand that radio is all about advertisement first and that the DJs are puppets with no say-so or mind of their own. In other words, it's all about business and nothing about entertainment. That's why I would never be a part of it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SCNDLS said: KatSkrizzle said: You wouldn't play anything. Radio is ran by a program called Selector. Your PD or Music Director would schedule all the music. The only thing you sell is the station, the advertisements, and your voice. Don't get it twisted. I mean, I can see that in your demo, yeah today's music wouldn't be your niche. There really is nothing sexy about a 40 to 50 year old man trying to be down. So you have a point. I just still think you're bitter. Like your neck tightens up when someone mentions Bahamadia or something. One of my homegirls is married to a former DJ in Dallas who worked at the #2 station. He's like 48 years old and was laid off over 3 years ago, yet he's STILL holding on for a job on a hip/hop station. I'm like, dude, I'm 36 and wouldn't wanna hear your old ass on the radio. Imagine what an 18 year old would think. He's so fucking annoying, dressing like he's 20 years younger, wearing one pant leg up. Shit, if that doesn't show you older than Methuselah (sp?) I don't know what does. I really hate this fool. [Edited 6/11/09 7:51am] And radio personalities don't get paid shit, unless your the other cornballs we've been discussing. Yeah, being a radio personality and that is ALL you live by is disaster. I know a lot of people that identify their self worth by where they work. I KNEW as soon as I walked away that 75 percent of my perks were gone. But the lack of bullshit and headache was worth it. I had a boss, program director that had to be your guy's age and this fool programmed the Hip Hop station where I worked. He was always wearing Phat Pharm denim suits, timbs, and saying "what's up son?" It was embarrassing. His coke habit got the best of him, though. Shame. | |
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vainandy said: KatSkrizzle said: You wouldn't play anything. Radio is ran by a program called Selector. Your PD or Music Director would schedule all the music. The only thing you sell is the station, the advertisements, and your voice. Don't get it twisted. I mean, I can see that in your demo, yeah today's music wouldn't be your niche. There really is nothing sexy about a 40 to 50 year old man trying to be down. So you have a point. I just still think you're bitter. Like your neck tightens up when someone mentions Bahamadia or something. Uh...I don't use phrases like "to be down". That whole shit hop attitude, lifestyle, and lingo is what I would love to see change. And yes, I am bitter. I never said I wasn't so there's no arguement there. And I understand that radio is all about advertisement first and that the DJs are puppets with no say-so or mind of their own. In other words, it's all about business and nothing about entertainment. That's why I would never be a part of it. Being bitter won't make your situation better. It is not good for your soul. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: SCNDLS said: One of my homegirls is married to a former DJ in Dallas who worked at the #2 station. He's like 48 years old and was laid off over 3 years ago, yet he's STILL holding on for a job on a hip/hop station. I'm like, dude, I'm 36 and wouldn't wanna hear your old ass on the radio. Imagine what an 18 year old would think. He's so fucking annoying, dressing like he's 20 years younger, wearing one pant leg up. Shit, if that doesn't show you older than Methuselah (sp?) I don't know what does. I really hate this fool. [Edited 6/11/09 7:51am] And radio personalities don't get paid shit, unless your the other cornballs we've been discussing. Yeah, being a radio personality and that is ALL you live by is disaster. I know a lot of people that identify their self worth by where they work. I KNEW as soon as I walked away that 75 percent of my perks were gone. But the lack of bullshit and headache was worth it. I had a boss, program director that had to be your guy's age and this fool programmed the Hip Hop station where I worked. He was always wearing Phat Pharm denim suits, timbs, and saying "what's up son?" It was embarrassing. His coke habit got the best of him, though. Shame. For some reason, quite a few personalities here do get paid pretty well like $200K/yr plus side gigs/appearances. I think her husband made less than $100k but he did ok with his side hustles. But after they got married he cut all that out cuz she's paid. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: vainandy said: Uh...I don't use phrases like "to be down". That whole shit hop attitude, lifestyle, and lingo is what I would love to see change. And yes, I am bitter. I never said I wasn't so there's no arguement there. And I understand that radio is all about advertisement first and that the DJs are puppets with no say-so or mind of their own. In other words, it's all about business and nothing about entertainment. That's why I would never be a part of it. Being bitter won't make your situation better. It is not good for your soul. It may not be good for the soul but listening to today's shit rids you of soul....and all rhythm. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: You damn right I'm mad. Music has always been my number one source or entertainment and when it becomes stripped down to nothing but a weak sounding beat and some talking or singing and never gets faster than a damn waltz tempo, that makes me extremely bored and when I get bored, I get angry. And no, the radio didn't mastermind this shit, the labels did because shit hop was the cheapest form of music to make. The radio was a big part in helping them by keeping anything that might threaten it out. And as for the shit hoppers making it big on the internet, yeah, of course that's going to happen. They were raised on bullshit their entire lifetime thanks to these labels and radio and they have an entire audience that was raised on nothing but bullshit. However, if both radio and labels were to fall and there was nothing but the internet, then eventually people would finally get bored with it and something else would finally take over and styles would finally change since no one would be around making sure that the styles don't change. . . . [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] There are LOTS of 80's sounding funk and uptempo jams undergouns and overseas...however its not being played. I don't listen to the radio anymore..I listen to you guys...it seems I have found the best music of this past decade from this site alone. Vain you missing out...you dont have to stay stuck..there is some NICE jams out there. Its not mainstream tho. I tried to send u some good ish that's out now. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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- There's also innerlightradio which is a spiritual, nonreligion-based,etc type radio show; there's a few interesting black radio station and programs out there on the internet [Edited 6/11/09 11:13am] | |
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paisleypark4 said: vainandy said: You damn right I'm mad. Music has always been my number one source or entertainment and when it becomes stripped down to nothing but a weak sounding beat and some talking or singing and never gets faster than a damn waltz tempo, that makes me extremely bored and when I get bored, I get angry. And no, the radio didn't mastermind this shit, the labels did because shit hop was the cheapest form of music to make. The radio was a big part in helping them by keeping anything that might threaten it out. And as for the shit hoppers making it big on the internet, yeah, of course that's going to happen. They were raised on bullshit their entire lifetime thanks to these labels and radio and they have an entire audience that was raised on nothing but bullshit. However, if both radio and labels were to fall and there was nothing but the internet, then eventually people would finally get bored with it and something else would finally take over and styles would finally change since no one would be around making sure that the styles don't change. . . . [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] There are LOTS of 80's sounding funk and uptempo jams undergouns and overseas...however its not being played. I don't listen to the radio anymore..I listen to you guys...it seems I have found the best music of this past decade from this site alone. Vain you missing out...you dont have to stay stuck..there is some NICE jams out there. Its not mainstream tho. I tried to send u some good ish that's out now. I know you have honey and I really do appreciate it. But like I said, I am so burned out on trying to look for good new stuff and even when I do find it, it depresses the hell out of me that there aren't tons of other great new stuff to mix it with, by mixing I mean "blend". I have put most of my music collection into the Windows Media Player in my computer and I love to listen to shuffle. It does get depressing though to hear 50 old jams, then 1 new jam, then 75 more old jams. That 1 little new jam just seems so lonely sandwiched between all those old jams. But you know how I feel about good music being so underground that it's hard to find. If it's that hard to find, that means that others haven't heard it and you end up listening to it by yourself. That's kinda like masturbation. . . . [Edited 6/11/09 11:16am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I know you have honey and I really do appreciate it. But like I said, I am so burned out on trying to look for good new stuff and even when I do find it, it depresses the hell out of me that there aren't tons of other great new stuff to mix it with, by mixing I mean "blend". I have put most of my music collection into the Windows Media Player in my computer and I love to listen to shuffle. It does get depressing though to hear 50 old jams, then 1 new jam, then 75 more old jams. That 1 little new jam just seems so lonely sandwiched between all those old jams. But you know how I feel about good music being so underground that it's hard to find. If it's that hard to find, that means that others haven't heard it and you end up listening to it by yourself. That's kinda like masturbation. . . . [Edited 6/11/09 11:16am] I guess it is like darwin finding a new discovery to me. I live for finding funk in new ways and new places I would have never looked. This forum shut me up about alot of thoughts I had..Ready to give up on new music..until I found out people like U, Timmy, psykosoul, jshua and blackguitaist that just gave me LIFE again to look for MORE. The industry will not change, but my music collection sure can...too much funk to not listen to...it's just too much to stop. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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SCNDLS said: daPrettyman said: I cannot stand Baisden either. He is such an ass. I still can't get what made someone want to offer him a show. I know the guy did radio before he did his show, but being a self-proclaimed "relationship expert" and doing the same topics day in and day out is very boring to me. I've met him a few times and he is a total ass. He really thinks he's a celebrity. The dude carries himself like he's Prince or something. I actually saw this idiot at the grocery store about 4 months ago. He had been to the gym and was buying all kinds of nuts and dried fruit. I thought to myself "nuts for a nut" and snickered. He then recognized me and we shook hands and spoke. It was funny though. I don't listen to this fool's show often but I have friends that work with him and the stories they tell are RIDICULOUS. Relationship expert my right pinky toe [Edited 6/11/09 6:39am] **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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need to do internet research. ain't no black radio (a couple of station claiming to be hiphop, but not black) in this part of the universe if it ain't if you ain't got Sirius or something, then you are s.o.l. | |
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morningsong said: need to do internet research. ain't no black radio (a couple of station claiming to be hiphop, but not black) in this part of the universe if it ain't if you ain't got Sirius or something, then you are s.o.l.
Huh? There are lots of black-owned stations in the US. Radio-One is considered to be a black radio corporation. It is owned and operated by black people. Radio-One is probably the largest, but there are lots of individuals that own stations. Off of the top of my head, I can tell you that KVSP in Oklahoma City is black owned, so is KJLH. So, I'm confused as to what you are talking about. As for SiriusXM, they are not black owned. Sure, they have a good variety of urban programming, it's still not black owned. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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