At first I thought it was interesting, then at around 3-4 minutes of non-stop babbling I was just unable to make too much sense out of it anymore.

Well, at least after associating the autotune with Zapp. So, the point was supposedly that someone is either going to make a response track or a diss track? Maybe people should confine themselves to written blogs and not webcam blogs, so that they'd actually have to think about for a moment what they are going to comment on.

novabrkr said:

not the exact point i was going for, but i'll wait for a few more people to "not get me" before i try to explain.

thanks anyway..

Sorry for a pointless reply if it came off that way.

If the point was about autotune, ringtones and there being "a new industry" in general, then there's nothing that new about it. Now, I have to hunt down the Jay-Z track in question, because it indeed seems rather odd that you'd have someone married to Beyonce making something like that. They've both been at least linked to artists who have been linked to the T-Pain thing.

In one sense, it seems sort of absurd having to complain about the use of autotune in rap music. Yet, apparently people have drifted into such a situtation somehow.

novabrkr said:

Really.



you're welcome.

Wow. Despite the hypocritical "My raps don't have melodies" boast, I think I might actually like a Jay-Z song.

I like this line too - "I know we facin' a recession, but the music ya'll makin' gonna make it the great depression"

Rogue588 said:

I made it through 29 seconds before I had to stop it. I tried, but it's too annoying.

I guess I"m just to old to tolerate that repetitive crap.

Dammm whos that dude talking all over his tune ..man. Jay Z is the biggest P.I.M.P

sammij said:

Saved me seconds! Thank you.

I actually like that one. Though it's not really the first time he's made this type of stuff. Jay-Z's entire output hasn't necessarily been like what you'd expect to get from him based on the singles and videos alone.

BlaqueKnight said:

Right. Anyone associating Roger with the autotune needs to be slapped, lol. Plus I should've known there would be a backlash, it started with that mixtape, also titled "Death of Autotune", lol.

Timmy84 said:

lord...i really didnt want to have to explain this but i know this site:


the majority of people i expected to veiw this, wouldnt know what a "talk box" was if i said it anyway...however, musicians who use the "autotune" program today (which has more than one feature btw) are usually using the vocal modulater to achieve the same effect Zapp, and Frampton (and others) sought to achieve (with different results of course) via a talk box. I didnt think that point was too hard to see, but i know how we adore our elitist tendencies as music nerds so...

if you let someone who only knows voice modulation as its been done by current acts hear a zapp recording- they will call it "autotune". wrong yes, but at the point of making this video- that piece of info wasnt necessary for he point i was making ...so, i bypassed an extra 10 mins, and said autotune so as not to get into TOO detail oriented and away from my point

And on that note:

http://www.imeem.com/peop...n-ante-up/

but if it makes you guys feel better or more mighty, i tremble at your superior knowledge and authenticity in knowing the difference between autotune and a talkbox

novabrkr said:

can you name an artist who has?

Timmy84 said:

Damn! Talk about making a point about Autotune overkill!!!

SirPsycho said:

And a vocoder.
(Myself & Shango have done detailed tutorials on the differences of these 3 devices)

This is like any "sound" that becomes trendy in a given era.
An example would be certain Yamaha D-X7, Korg M-1 or Roland D-50 patches in the past that you would hear on an inordinate number of songs.

Btw, the shakes generally subside in about a week or two.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431
[Edited 6/7/09 14:05pm]

not sure I'd wanna hear it again, but I didn't hate it.

And I love that he's acknowledging that autotune sucks.

SirPsycho said:

I would listen to "Dear Hip Hop" by LL if u wanted to hear the state of the industry, why rap has gone the way it has gone, JAY is nothing more than an exec that pushed the shit, he gave up the goods for the bling and bills a long time ago and need he wants to come out like a fucking prophet, not going to happen.

And I repeat:

BlaqueKnight said:

lastdecember said:

Jay-Z has actually been quite consistent all along.
[Edited 6/7/09 22:04pm]

Cinnie said:

thank you cinnie..

SirPsycho said:

Fair enough.

It was meant as a compliment on his music, not as criticism though. Sorry, for the directly negative top post of mine - didn't realize at first it was you in the video (referring to yourself in the 3rd person does however give that impression effectively). But I guess video blogs / posts in general are quite hard to follow if you don't articulate your supposed point more clearly. Sprawling, written posts on forums you can at least control yourself a bit better as a reader.

Correcting someone on the Autotune / talkbox / vocoder -issue is not "elitism". It is simply an effort to correct someone providing false information. Even if the "majority of people" would be supposedly associating the talbox sound with Autotune it is still not preferred that one would just refer to it with the wrong term. That's strange logic there.

Sorry for this pedantry. I know "constructive criticism" can be quite irkosome when you're not especially asking for it yourself.

novabrkr said:

or when not enough questions are asked by the "critic" before hand, leading to initially negative posts...

This might be a silly question but....didn't this guy retire a few years back? WTF?

Never been a fan and never will.

Empress said:

Like 6 years ago he knew he would be taking a break and wasn't sure if he was coming back. Then 2 and a half years ago he released his second last album.

BlaqueKnight said:

I see your point. Jay-Z's "Death of autotune" is his "dead on it"? And like how Prince embraced, or accepted rap jusr a mere few years later, no doubt Jay-Z will embrace autotune aswell LOL

Somewhat related, I love Rogers "I play the talkbox" (this extended version is the best version aswell)




"Grab on, grab on, just say thank you..."
[Edited 6/8/09 16:03pm]

thesexofit said:

I thought he has already, on the latest album?

not that this has anything to do with the initial thread anyway...


i should edit this: i don't mean the autotune but some kind of technology that makes his voice sound similar to t-pain



then again, WTF do i know, i don't live on this forum
[Edited 6/8/09 16:06pm]

sammij said:

No LOL, I meant like how Prince embraced rap after dissing it a few years previous on "dead on it", Jay Z might do the same and probably use this autotune method in a few years to get hits, despite his dilike of it at the moment.