Cinnie said:

Did Sarah write? Or was she just a singer? Not to say she wasn't artistic in her styling, just asking. That's what I think they were referring to more than anything.

daPrettyman said:

Does it matter with HER voice?

Timmy84 said:

If u are comparing skill sets.....it matters.

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, to me, it matters. Though, their voices are TOTALLY different, I think it matters from an creative and artistic standpoint.

daPrettyman said:

I don't recall the gentleman's name but I knew he was speaking out another part of his anatomy when he mentioned Ms. Huston and Ms. Vaughan in the same sentence. Please. Having said that...

Artistry isn't a style it's a superior skill that you learn by study practice. Even so, Ms. Vaughan never in her life took formal or informal singing/voice lessons. A lot of people can "sing" very, very, very few transcend their respective craft.

Yeah, that was the ONLY idiotic moment in that special.

Its funny how a female's legacy could be belittled without so much of an eye bat. Yet, let somebody say something slick about Miles Davis, and I'll tell you he's as good as exempt from his profession in everybody's eyes.

Sarah Vaughan still IS the equivalent to the BEST of her peers who worked with her, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie and Clifford Brown,,,,,COMBINED, yes I said it.

Now as far that fool who mentioned her along Whitney in the same sentence, it just shows to you that he absloutly have NO idea about Sarah's music or what she was capable of.

It REALLY upsets me the way people condescend women's legacies in music. The WHOLE "genius" is only a term applied to males theory just drives me nuts.

daPrettyman said:

Who gives a shit?

1/2 of the male artists in her time didn't write/arrange, instead they relied on "standards", just like she DID. YET, they get refered to as "geniuses",,,while she gets grouped with Whitney motherfuckin' Houston.

And anway, there's NO written rules for "creative & artistic standpoint", its how you deliver your message across and how the audience react to it.

I'm amazed that people don't see the double standard in this shit.

Harlepolis said:

I do

Cinnie said:

Stop tryna be cute, Cinnie

Harlepolis said:

THANK YOU! It's sad, ain't it?

Harlepolis said:

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

It's like trying to compare Hoagy Carmichael and Frank Sinatra. Mr. Sinatra was just a singer and Mr. Carmichael was a "true artist" because he wrote, arranged and sung his on material. WTF, that's just utterly ridiculous.

Sinatra nor Vaughan ever got credit for being brilliant arrangers in their own right. In the NPR profile of Vaughan all of her music collaboraters admit she used their music as an outline she usually arranged her songs while she was performing/singing. She's a just a singer? The more I think about this.... he needs to be bitch slapped.

TD3 said:

That's the mindset so many orgers have

bboy87 said:

So many orgers are full of shit, then.

Lawd, I never thought I'd see the day Hoagy Carmichael was mentioneed on the Org. Loves him!

Harlepolis said:

Oh shit.

TD3 said:

I agree with you on your last statement, but artistry is a gift from the Creator. It cannot be learned. Singing can be learned, but artistry can't.

Harlepolis said:

I'm sure you've seen it too

"They aren't real artists, just entertainers"

Not everybody writes, composes, produces, and mixes their own material

bboy87 said:

There's actually very talented and gifted artists that don't write or produce shit, but their vocals are an artistic value to itself. Singers who are SINGERS make the song come ALIVE.

daPrettyman said:

someone need tell some of these new breeds that then


because alot of them can't sing worth a damn

You can also be Blessed with the natural gift of singing, something that can't be learned no matter how many vocal lessons one takes. THAT's a God given gift. And a voice is an instrument. So many try to play it, but only a few master it.

funkpill said:

worth a tinker's damn...

funkpill said:

funkpill said:

Ya know!?

Harlepolis said:

U sound like somebody.....who can't write.

Graycap23 said:

And you sound like a robot

Harlepolis said:

lol.....

bboy87 said:

.... at all. . She was a fixture on r&b radio when I was a child, not much unlike Teena Marie. Her songs were such bona fide hits in our neck of the woods we girls were all trying to practice whistle register, and when my friends and I were in 4th grade, a lot of our moms used her duet with Peabo Bryson for "Here We Go" as the de facto preface reason for the dreaded "Do you know where babies come from-because it is apparently time for our birds and bees-talk?" . I swear we kids had no idea what the heck they were talking about in that song until we got set straight. We didn't get any of the sexual innuendo and figured they just jumped in a car and went on a date or something, prolly cause they kept saying "Grab your hat,here we go"....to us it might as well coulda been them going to the amusement park... talk about being shocked...

Harlepolis said:

U guys are crazy.

Graycap23 said:

I not writing

*looping up a Graycap mp3 and adding drums*

Been looking forward to this one, I adored this woman as a kid I remember feeling sad when she died, not understanding... Until this I still wasn't sure what she'd died of (I guess I'd forgotten?) & was happy to see her speak on it on the Tonight Show, she seemed brave. Good show...

There's another thread that's closed for some reason, about the song "Here We Go" which is one of my faves. Had no idea the vocals were finished after she passed - is that true? That's how Peabo got on? Crazy... Loved her