BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Uh no...you just fail to realize and accept that there really are pure phenotypes and we are all the product of those. let me ask you. Do you believe in creationism or evolution? If you believe in the former then what race were Adam and Eve? If you believe in the latter then again, how did humanity get to the variety that we all are today?

Also you say your mom traced your family back hundreds of years? Did she go by census and court records? Did she just take family members word? Did she trace your father's family tree as well? How do you know nobody lied about their status? Immigrants change their names, some people lie about their religion or family. Why wouldn't someone not be truthful or even aware of what other ethnicity is in their family? Strawberry blondhe hair eh? That comes from blonde and red hair mixtures. red hair comes from blonde and black hair mixture. So somebody in your family somewhere had black hair and dark eyes which is why you have strawberry blonde hair and light brown eyes. This is not rocket science just plain ole geneology. For someone so quick to defend MJ as the father of those kids you sure are quick to tout yourself as 100% white. Why would you even have to do that?

DesireeNevermind said:

That's how these kind of threads turn out to be. I mean you don't actually have to be a biological father to be proven to be the dad. I mean I heard so many stories of biological fathers not paying child support and not even wanting to see their child. And here we have a man who the media questions his paternity and yet we hear reports he's a good dad. So regardless of DNA makeup, he IS their father. Bottom line even if he DID adopt them from Debbie. I mean BIG DEAL.

What does this have to do with his children looking like Donna Summer's grandchildren? Not much..


People are going to have their opinions. At the end of the day, as long as no one is harassing the children, and all goes well, it matters little.... We don't know how Michael is raising them, and if they later identify, as African American or black, what is there to be said? Nothing.

Posting on and on about Michael's giving back to the African American community though, isn't going to silence, or thrawt his critics.

Just because someone is critical, doesn't mean their ignorant.

Also, it is not impossible that Michael HIMSELF changed how he thought, and grew, or matured, or grew more comfortable in his own skin? How are we to know. We do know, that Blanket came later on....Michael seemed to have stopped dying the older one's hair etc....his behavior changed...and who he associated himself with changed as well. Michael became even more political, and open about being black in America. I don't particularly attach myself completely to this line of argument, but its a plausible one....and he certainly wouldn't be alone. Don't pretend that he would be alone, because we all know he wouldn't be...people change...and just because you change, doesn't mean you should regret decisions you made, and especially not regret having your children, regardless of the situation surrounding their birth. Michael owes no one any explanations about his "marriage"/arrangement, whatever you wish to call it with DW, except perhaps his children if they ever do ask, in time....

People don't seem to see, that Michael changed a lot in a short period of time, can you imagine the Michael of the 80s, or very early 90s, openly associating with the Nation? Or "protesting" evil record companies? Speaking openly about Jack Johnson? Or finally appearing to no longer care about people's opinions of him? Some simply say self interest, and move on. But Michael the man, and not just the public image, but the man in general, seems to have changed, at least in the ways he is comfortable presenting himself, and to me it seems personally as well. Michael has embraced his blackness, his age, his fatherhood, and his status in the world quite well.....

And for those who don't believe those are Michael's biological children, and please don't pretend they don't have reason to(it would be different if there were no Blanket-), (so please don't pretend they are simply insensitive, rude, or malicious), or believe he was trying to prevent the future world from having a "mini-Michael", there is Evan Ross, and Blanket...not to mention nephews and cousins, that bear his face...we can all breathe....

Oh, and to add...they are all Michael's children. He feeds them, clothes them, and takes them to bookstores. That's a father. They will be raised by Michael, and will likely have his mannerisms, and similar vocal tones... I'm sure he's teaching them to moonwalk....
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DesireeNevermind said:

he changed his body in loosing a great amount of weight in the early 80s.

graecophilos said:

hes always looked boney to me

laurarichardson said:

So true. This is MJ reality, nothing to do with hatred. MJ brought this mess upon himself. If MJ stopped at his first nose job, got married to a woman he loved & wanted to raise children with, didn't have children sleeping in his room/bed on a consistent basis he wouldn't have up to a quarter of the flack he nows get. It would be difficult for the media to exaggerate or distort things, there wouldn't have much to distort & exaggerate in the first place. But MJ likes being ambigious and mysterious in every aspect of his life and this is the mess he has created from all that ambiguity and mystery.

Most people don't hate him they just feel so sad that the beautiful, little boy from the J5 had to end up so screwed up.
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If MJ has BDD why didn't he change his body? Why did he only change his face and skin? From what I've read, BDD sufferers hate their look from big toe to top of head. There is not one thing about their physique and face that they appreciate. He would have fared better with the public by saying he had BDD instead of saying "i have vitiligo and i've only had one nose job and nothing else."

I think Prince I looks somewhat like Michael.....Maybe latent to most, but resemblance is there in his facial structure, I can see it. Blanket looks like MJ too. But Paris does not share his DNA, I don't care what anyone says. ..... Forget skin color, that little girl has NO Jackson features AT ALL.

none of them had children with white woman that might have been light latinas but they were not white and all of them were definately darker than debbie rowe

I think Prince I looks somewhat like Michael.....

Yep yep about Sally Hemmings. I think Tom Cruise's baby is a clone of Katie. When you have that much money, like MJ and Tom, you can do anything. Nobody is saying he's not their father in terms of raising them, but this thread is about the question of biological paternity.

They are NOT his biological children; OBVIOUSLY.

Establishing that genetic freaks exist isn't the point. How come MJ seems to get every single lean to whiteness happening to his nose, his skin, "his" children etc?

Don't be so naive, the odds are millions to one that all these Eurocentric hapenings occur around one man.

Dsoul said:

learn how to spell please

Establishing that genetic freaks exist isn't the point. How come MJ seems to get every single lean to whiteness happening to his nose, his skin, "his" children etc?

Don't be so naive, the odds are millions to one that all these Eurocentric hapenings occur around one man.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

It was clearly a mistake, cause it's spelled right the first time

Dsoul said:

So true. For you not to question anything and accept everything at face value or what MJ says, you have to believe in coincidence after coincidence after coincidence. And its obvious a lot of MJ fans believe in coincidence big time.

Reflecting back, Jackson said the happiest time in his life was probably when he was recording his hit solo albums "Thriller," released in 1982, and "Off the Wall," released in 1979. Those albums -- which were accompanied by a string of hit singles and videos and corresponded with the 1983 debut of his signature dance, the "moonwalk" -- propelled him to the height of his stardom.

"That meant very much to me and seemed to be received so beautifully by the public and the world," he said. "I enjoyed it very much."

Asked to pick a single song as his greatest achievement, Jackson went back to the same period.

"Oh boy, that's a hard one," he said, before singling out "We Are the World," "Billie Jean" and "Thriller."

Utterly ridiculous Thread....God I didn't want to comment on this thread but I guess I have too.

For all the people who are insisting that those are not his, what the hell your all doing here? trying to convince people with the same shit over and over again of any artist you don't even like, regardless of their color, wehther they are green, black ,white, purple , pink, blue or any fucking color THEY STILL HIS CHILDREN, why you people here insist to know every fucking personal thing about any fucking artist? I have always believed that this none of my business or anyone.

Live and let live.

Regarding someone saying that Michael had an issue with his natural skin color as he got older, why would do you think he would say on his 50th Birthday on Good Morning America that the happiest time in his life was during the recordings of Off the Wall and Thriller???

http://abcnews.go.com/gma...705&page=1





How come he didn't say anything about being happy with himself in the years which followed or even today?

Michael's issue is Body Dysmorphic Disorder more than anything else. He hates his own appearance, and he has constantly kept changing his face as the years went by (he wasn't satisfied at anytime), so so much for being a happy man, he still wasn't happy about how he looked even in the Dangerous, History, or Invincible eras. Even today he is still unsatisfied with his own appearance.
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^ I'm a crazy fan, but even I don't believe half the shit he says.

alphastreet said:

I was a fan from the age of 2. I used to dance and copy him and i don't even remember it. My mum told me i used to do his moves infront of people when i was about 3.

Now i have mixed feelings. I LOVE his music but know in my heart based on all the evidence he is a lying pedo.