TotalAlisa said:

This is always the excuse people make for other black celebs white looking kids

the man in the picture "oh he's mixed"
quincy's mixed
Garcelle is mixed( oh i heard that one today and died laughing)
lionels mixed

people will say any other black celeb and their mama is mixed as if the jacksons are straight off the boat from africa. all those celbrities or who ever are no more mixed than the jacksons

oh and then they will say michael was darkskinned Any other man michaels color would be considered brownskinned by most black but oh no when its michael he's dark!(and theres nothing wrong with being dark so don't even go there) and then they go and find the darkest picture of mj they can find that was taken in horrible lighting and use it as their proof. well you know what i'm sick of it. people try to take away all the mans credit, even musically, they won't even let the man have his kid's. there are so many black people who have white looking kids its ridiculous, i personally know a family that was almost destroyed by divorce because the kid didn't look how he was "suppose" to look. I've seen mixed kids that look whiter than mj's kids with a darker father. just because you've seen a few biracial people or even have some in your family does not mean you are an expert.

whatsgoingon said:

prince and paris are darker than debbie rowe, their hair is a different color, paris hair is a different texture. princes eyes are a different color


i know this picture has been posted many times but this is the best picture of paris it's clear, it's taken in great lighting unlike these new pictures that just came out


you're honestly saying she's the same skin tone as her mother, she looks like her mother yes, and it's obvious her mother has strong genes but she is obvious darker than her mother



even with this one with the flash her skin is still tan and still darker than her mother

cdcgold said:

I know guy much darker than MJ ever was he had 3 mixed-race children, they all look different. One took the black side, another was what some would call the average mixed race child, curly hair, olive hair and light brown eyes and the third child had blue/grey eyes and honey blonde hair she was much lighter than her siblings but you could still see mixed heritage in her. In the case of MJ he has two children one after another with nothing black about them.

The problem with Michael there are too many coincidences, which fans tend to just accept whereas everyone else questions them:
First of all he has loads of surgery and practically changes all his features. He is the only member of his own family who conveniently has full blown vitilogo. He marries his white blonde, blue eyed surrogate and then he gets two whiter than white looking children one after another.
Only a fanatical fan will not question all this and just accept it at face value.

cdcgold said:

NOW YOU ARE DISCOUNTING CELEBS WHO ARE ACTUALLY MIXED? HUH? You can't discount the genes. The fact is that MJ and his entire family have very distinct features and none of his look is in those kids which is why they are questioned to really be his kids. Its not about him being just black and that straight off the boat from Africa comment is plain ignorant because there are AFricans that look less black than MJ.

The secrecy surrounding the kids' conception and the way he paid off the mom is all suspect. I'm sorry that you feel so compelled to defend his paternity but it just isn't holding water at this point.

And if MJ is so ethnically proud and no more mixed than say a Victoria Rowel or Mariah Carey then explain this:

I really don't think MJ has a problem with having a biological child.

He wanted to have babies with Lisa-Marie, and he wanted to start a family with her, but she didn't want to have his children.

And Debbie Rowe came into whole thing b/c of what went on between Michael and Lisa. She wanted him to be a father, and helped him out. It was a case of a friend trying to help another friend (probably nothing romantic), but she was doing him a favor. I bet Michael didn't really want to marry her. I've heard stuff about Katherine insisting him to get married to Debbie as well.
[Edited 6/5/09 21:00pm]

MOMMA'S BABY POPPA'S MAYBE

suga10 said:

Ok. But why marry her? She was a surrogate mother, she has nothing to do with those children and obviously that was the plan all along so there was no reason to marry her. When was the last time you heard of a man marrying a surrogate mother, it's practically unheard of. I think it was to do with a legal issue which wouldn't have arisen if those children were biologically his.

whatsgoingon said:

I heard that Katherine forced Michael to marry Debbie, and he didn't want to let his mother down.

GET READY TO SAY "OH DAYUM"

whatsgoingon said:

what does that have to do with anything, i went to school with a black boy, his dad got remarried to a white woman and their son looked WHITE and i mean white
he looked like this


the boys father almost divorced his wife cause he thought she had cheated on him and his family was in his ear telling him the baby wasn't his. and believe me the boy in my class was greatly affected by this. he was one ofthe loudest kids in the school all of a sudden he just became quiet. anyway fast forward to about five years we're in high school they've had a dna test done and this black man who looked like this


has been proven to be the father a a boy who looks like this

of course thats not really him but thats how white he was

so your story means nothing just like you can say my story means nothing but it does happen.
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cdc how can you post pics saying " the kid looked like this" that's why its hard to believe. another question, are you saying that what parents look like has absolutely no bearing on their offspring?

mother and son. I'm sure some of you will claim to see black features somewhere but lets get serious that man would not look out of place at a kkk rally

One of Michael Jackson ex-employees said that Blanket was an "accident" with someone Michael had a relationship with.

I read this somewhere.

DesireeNevermind said:

because i knew these people was ago and i didn't take pictures of them

suga10 said:

Then why not marry Blankets mother? I think it's to do with the legality of the children. If the biological father is not married to the mother the father still has some legal rights over the child. However if the children are not biologically the father's and there is no marriage than the "father" has no legal rights unless he formally adopts the child.

Now due to the child abuse allegations MJ would have found it hard to adopt a child and I believe that's why he went down the route he did.

Btw I once read somewhere that MJ didn't want to have any children of his own and that he would rather adopt and this was way back during the OTW/Thriller era .
[Edited 6/5/09 21:13pm]

DesireeNevermind said:

where did joe get his soft textured hair and green eyes from? umm- genectics honey. my grandmother was the highest of yellows-spent the winters pale with hair down her behind because her grandmother was mulatto- she married a dark skinned black man and none of her children NONE were light skinned- but it could have easily gone the other way. she does however have light skinned grandchildren- who have brown skinned parents

GENETICS

whatsgoingon said:

Well one of his ex-employees said that Blanket was an accident with a woman Michael had a relationship with, and she found about the pregnancy after they broke up.

And maybe MJ is married in secret, and still hangs out with Blanket's momma in private.

Remember Janet hid her marriage all these years to Rene, although they were together.
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Lots of exceptions for MJ I see.

suga10 said:

But everyone knew Janet and Rene were an item we just didn't know they were legally married, she didn't hid him from the world, just the legality of their relationship, which is a little different from what your saying about MJ.

Evvy said:

which is why i posted the pics above. These kids came out looking caucasian because their fathers were white and their mothers were half white. Jacko's kids look just as white if not whiter than Victoria's and Eartha's kids. Do the math, how does 50% equal more than 75%? IT DOESN'T!!! There is nothing wrong or rude about believing that those are not MJ's bio kids. I just hope he loves them for them and not what they look like. I still think he has a problem with looking and being black though.

As for your grandma. you responded to your own statement. She was half black and married a dark skinned man and that's why the kids didn't come out with her complexion. She could have had a light skinned kid if she kept trying though. My friend is one of eight kids and she is the only one with light hair and light eyes out of all the kids who are half mexican and half white. Her 7 siblings look mexican.

As for your family and the light grandkids and their brown parents, you have to factor in what was on the other side of the family as well. yep it's all about genetics and probability.

whatsgoingon said:

After what Michael went through with his own looks I doubt that he'd want a kid that looked very much like his old face or reminded him much of himself or even his father.

^ its sad his father did that too him. made him feel ugly when he was really beautiful.

DesireeNevermind said:

michaels kids do not look as white as that girl in the pic

cdcgold said:

matter of perception my friend. your version of white is not my version.

Kind of offtopic.

But I've always wondered if Michael's children really know how he looked like back in the day???

suga10 said:

I'd be more interested in how he explained to them his transformation.

SCNDLS said:

I was gonna say that. This little girl clearly looks mixed. With her cute self.

DesireeNevermind said:

Well them kids are growing up fast!

I just hope they don't get shocked, and start having second thoughts about their father.

DesireeNevermind said:

Okaaaay.

I posted this elsewhere but I think it is appropriate here as well.
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Wow I am amazed at all these posts about MJ kids and that they cannot possibly be his because they look white. Please read up on the mixed children of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. Several were so "white" that they simply moved away and adopted a white identity. This happened all over American at the end of slavery. The truth is "white racial purity" is a complete myth. The census of America from the end of slavery until the 1950's shows that many thousands ( as much as 20,000 per year) of mixed race people (considered black by Americas one drop rule), in order to get white privilege simply moved away from their home town or city, changed their name and passed as white. The census takers were able to detect this when they looked at the statistics of the nation as a whole. They noticed that the same of black people simply "disappeared" and whites "appeared" elsewhere in the country.
This notion that you can tell someone's "race" or parentage by looking at them is not always true. But don't take my word for it visit the website of "Race- Power of an Illusion":

http://www.newsreel.org/n...?tc=cn0149

http://www.newsreel.org/g...things.htm

Now am I suggesting these as MJ's kids, no. I do not know. And neither does anyone on these threads. The only people who know for sure are MJ,the mothers and their doctors and their trusted inner circles