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Thread started 05/25/09 1:23pm

NMuzakNSoul

Stevie Wonder Black Man (1976)

Who loves this joint? Can't go wrong with the Bass. The lyrical content is really strong.



Also worth checking out the first min of this clip

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Reply #1 posted 05/25/09 1:35pm

novabrkr

If I remember correctly, that was the very first Stevie Wonder track that I really got hooked on.
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Reply #2 posted 05/25/09 2:48pm

NMuzakNSoul

It's a great track. Love the instumental part starting at 5:29
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Reply #3 posted 05/25/09 3:55pm

Timmy84

That song's hypnotically funky with serious lyrics behind it! Stevie knew how to get you to listen to a song, you can dance to it, sure, but he made you THINK too. nod
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Reply #4 posted 05/25/09 5:57pm

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It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk. I think ever since 'I just called to say I love you' came out, some forgot all the funky stuff he did and started associating him with pop. This was one of those funky tracks people forget when they accuse him of not bringing it. This song sometimes reminds me of Let's Get Serious that he wrote for Jermaine.
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Reply #5 posted 05/25/09 6:08pm

Timmy84

70sLove said:

It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk. I think ever since 'I just called to say I love you' came out, some forgot all the funky stuff he did and started associating him with pop. This was one of those funky tracks people forget when they accuse him of not bringing it. This song sometimes reminds me of Let's Get Serious that he wrote for Jermaine.


Stevie's funk is what you call that psychological funk. Songs like "Superstition", "Big Brother", "Jesus Children of America", "Don't Worry About a Thing", "Living for the City" and the like were "message songs" disguised under that funk groove that was all Stevie's. Not to mention that pre-"Talking Book" glory of songs like "Keep on Running" and "Love Having You Around" (in one of the first instances of the talk box being used) were deeply rooted in funk. Plus we have to remember while Stevie became a superstar in the '70s, it was after or around the time of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" that he became this "wholesome pop singer" that he wasn't a decade before. Matter of fact, he was pretty radical in 1970s pop standards.
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Reply #6 posted 05/25/09 11:21pm

novabrkr

70sLove said:

It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk.


Yeah, I run into these comments too.

Timmy84 said:

Matter of fact, he was pretty radical in 1970s pop standards.


... and by 70s soul music standards. It's not just the experimentation on the later records - you only have to listen to his chord progressions even on the hits to realize that.

I will add though that even if people mock "I Just Called To Say I Love You", just play it yourself on an instrument and you should realize it's still quite on riginal melody on its own. I mean, there's hardly anything else like it - it is still definitely a Stevie Wonder song. Had it been produced and arranged more in a "Songs In The Key Of Life" -type of way, it probably wouldn't raise so many eyebrows.
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Reply #7 posted 05/25/09 11:27pm

Timmy84

novabrkr said:

70sLove said:

It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk.


Yeah, I run into these comments too.

Timmy84 said:

Matter of fact, he was pretty radical in 1970s pop standards.


... and by 70s soul music standards. It's not just the experimentation on the later records - you only have to listen to his chord progressions even on the hits to realize that.

I will add though that even if people mock "I Just Called To Say I Love You", just play it yourself on an instrument and you should realize it's still quite on riginal melody on its own. I mean, there's hardly anything else like it - it is still definitely a Stevie Wonder song. Had it been produced and arranged more in a "Songs In The Key Of Life" -type of way, it probably wouldn't raise so many eyebrows.
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Good point, lol.
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Reply #8 posted 05/26/09 12:55am

NMuzakNSoul

Timmy84 said:

That song's hypnotically funky with serious lyrics behind it! Stevie knew how to get you to listen to a song, you can dance to it, sure, but he made you THINK too. nod


Yep, and the instruments on it's own back up the lyrical content and contribute to the power of it. When you have a lyric like "we pledge allegiance all our lives" the horns come in to back it up.
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Reply #9 posted 05/26/09 12:58am

NMuzakNSoul

70sLove said:

It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk. I think ever since 'I just called to say I love you' came out, some forgot all the funky stuff he did and started associating him with pop. This was one of those funky tracks people forget when they accuse him of not bringing it. This song sometimes reminds me of Let's Get Serious that he wrote for Jermaine.


Stevie can be super funky when he wants to be, a song like "You Haven't Done Nothing" from 1974 comes to mind. Super funky. The way Stevie plays the clavinet (that's the instrument very evident on songs like "Superstition" or "You Haven't Done Nothing" is very innteresting also. He plays it like you would play percussion, it's very rhythmic. Another interesting thing to note is that Stevie ususally doesn't use his thumb to play.
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Reply #10 posted 05/26/09 1:03am

NMuzakNSoul

Timmy84 said:

70sLove said:

It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk. I think ever since 'I just called to say I love you' came out, some forgot all the funky stuff he did and started associating him with pop. This was one of those funky tracks people forget when they accuse him of not bringing it. This song sometimes reminds me of Let's Get Serious that he wrote for Jermaine.


Stevie's funk is what you call that psychological funk. Songs like "Superstition", "Big Brother", "Jesus Children of America", "Don't Worry About a Thing", "Living for the City" and the like were "message songs" disguised under that funk groove that was all Stevie's. Not to mention that pre-"Talking Book" glory of songs like "Keep on Running" and "Love Having You Around" (in one of the first instances of the talk box being used) were deeply rooted in funk. Plus we have to remember while Stevie became a superstar in the '70s, it was after or around the time of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" that he became this "wholesome pop singer" that he wasn't a decade before. Matter of fact, he was pretty radical in 1970s pop standards.


Stevie naturally inspired by artists like Marvin and Donny definitely was bringing a strong message. To return to a song like "You Haven't Done Nothing" it definitely ain't a "happy funky" tune at least lyrically seen though cause it does make you MOVE and JAM and DANCE. But it's his second song directed at Richard Nixon (He's Mistra Know It All being the other) At the time, it definitely was controversial.
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Reply #11 posted 05/26/09 1:08am

NMuzakNSoul

novabrkr said:

70sLove said:

It always surprises me when people say that Stevie couldn't do funk.


Yeah, I run into these comments too.

Timmy84 said:

Matter of fact, he was pretty radical in 1970s pop standards.


... and by 70s soul music standards. It's not just the experimentation on the later records - you only have to listen to his chord progressions even on the hits to realize that.

I will add though that even if people mock "I Just Called To Say I Love You", just play it yourself on an instrument and you should realize it's still quite on riginal melody on its own. I mean, there's hardly anything else like it - it is still definitely a Stevie Wonder song. Had it been produced and arranged more in a "Songs In The Key Of Life" -type of way, it probably wouldn't raise so many eyebrows.
[Edited 5/25/09 23:21pm]


Excellent point. My dad always mentioned that it may be possible to play back a Stevie song, but to actually come up with it is a different story. His chord structure is very unique. A lot of 9th 11th and 13th chords.

Stevie had "I Just Called" finished way before it was put out, If I remember, he wanted to put it on "Songs" originally too but changed his mind.
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Reply #12 posted 05/26/09 2:17am

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love it!

The second CD (or sides 3 and 4) have brilliant jams. This one, As, Another Star. All last long and are funky and oh so good.
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Reply #13 posted 05/26/09 3:19am

Timmy84

NMuzakNSoul said:

Timmy84 said:



Stevie's funk is what you call that psychological funk. Songs like "Superstition", "Big Brother", "Jesus Children of America", "Don't Worry About a Thing", "Living for the City" and the like were "message songs" disguised under that funk groove that was all Stevie's. Not to mention that pre-"Talking Book" glory of songs like "Keep on Running" and "Love Having You Around" (in one of the first instances of the talk box being used) were deeply rooted in funk. Plus we have to remember while Stevie became a superstar in the '70s, it was after or around the time of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" that he became this "wholesome pop singer" that he wasn't a decade before. Matter of fact, he was pretty radical in 1970s pop standards.


Stevie naturally inspired by artists like Marvin and Donny definitely was bringing a strong message. To return to a song like "You Haven't Done Nothing" it definitely ain't a "happy funky" tune at least lyrically seen though cause it does make you MOVE and JAM and DANCE. But it's his second song directed at Richard Nixon (He's Mistra Know It All being the other) At the time, it definitely was controversial.


Yeah exactly. That's exactly what I meant. nod The guy was bringing us messages through the FUNK. cool
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Reply #14 posted 05/26/09 5:18am

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Timmy84 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:



Stevie naturally inspired by artists like Marvin and Donny definitely was bringing a strong message. To return to a song like "You Haven't Done Nothing" it definitely ain't a "happy funky" tune at least lyrically seen though cause it does make you MOVE and JAM and DANCE. But it's his second song directed at Richard Nixon (He's Mistra Know It All being the other) At the time, it definitely was controversial.


Yeah exactly. That's exactly what I meant. nod The guy was bringing us messages through the FUNK. cool


Timmy...

last year I was working at my local newspaper and one of the journalists (he plays guitar in a rock band and probably thinks he's good and a musicologist) said Stevie Wonder would only sing la-la-la music.

To this day I don't speak to him anymore. His such a asshole, how dumb could one be?
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Reply #15 posted 05/26/09 5:38am

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Yeah, that is surprising that people would say that about Stevie and The Funk -- IMO, Higher Ground, Black Man, Superstition, You Haven't Done Nothin, and Maybe Your Baby are some of the Funkiest thought-provoking tracks ever laid down--...







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" I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout
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paligap said:

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Yeah, that is surprising that people would say that about Stevie and The Funk -- IMO, Higher Ground, Black Man, Superstition, You Haven't Done Nothin, and Maybe Your Baby are some of the Funkiest thought-provoking tracks ever laid down--...


that's what I tol him: Stevie did some of the funkiest and yet thoughtful songs ever.

He ain't just about sex and love but he was funky while being social conscious.




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Reply #17 posted 05/26/09 9:38am

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Excellent song, I love it. When I first heard it, it reminded me of Prince.
So funky.
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Reply #18 posted 05/26/09 9:41am

Timmy84

graecophilos said:

Timmy84 said:



Yeah exactly. That's exactly what I meant. nod The guy was bringing us messages through the FUNK. cool


Timmy...

last year I was working at my local newspaper and one of the journalists (he plays guitar in a rock band and probably thinks he's good and a musicologist) said Stevie Wonder would only sing la-la-la music.

To this day I don't speak to him anymore. His such a asshole, how dumb could one be?


"La-la-la music"? Aw hell naw, lol.

Yeah paligap, it's astounding, ain't it?
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Reply #19 posted 05/26/09 9:53am

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Timmy84 said:

graecophilos said:



Timmy...

last year I was working at my local newspaper and one of the journalists (he plays guitar in a rock band and probably thinks he's good and a musicologist) said Stevie Wonder would only sing la-la-la music.

To this day I don't speak to him anymore. His such a asshole, how dumb could one be?


"La-la-la music"? Aw hell naw, lol.

Yeah paligap, it's astounding, ain't it?


but I Just Called is lalala and Land Of La La???

Part Time Lover?
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Reply #20 posted 05/26/09 10:15am

NMuzakNSoul

graecophilos said:

Timmy84 said:



Yeah exactly. That's exactly what I meant. nod The guy was bringing us messages through the FUNK. cool


Timmy...

last year I was working at my local newspaper and one of the journalists (he plays guitar in a rock band and probably thinks he's good and a musicologist) said Stevie Wonder would only sing la-la-la music.

To this day I don't speak to him anymore. His such a asshole, how dumb could one be?


There are those that don't get Stevie, or they only know a few hits and base their whole opinion on it but it is what it is. If you purely play rock and aren't open to other genres of music, or take the time out to know what they're about a statement like that arises. I usually keep on moving.
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Reply #21 posted 05/26/09 10:22am

NMuzakNSoul

graecophilos said:

Timmy84 said:



"La-la-la music"? Aw hell naw, lol.

Yeah paligap, it's astounding, ain't it?


but I Just Called is lalala and Land Of La La???

Part Time Lover?


La La land is more so a state of mind, and a matter of speech. Used in dfferent ways. Not really as in "la la"
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Reply #22 posted 05/26/09 10:23am

Timmy84

NMuzakNSoul said:

graecophilos said:



but I Just Called is lalala and Land Of La La???

Part Time Lover?


La La land is more so a state of mind, and a matter of speech. Used in dfferent ways. Not really as in "la la"


Exactly, lol.
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Reply #23 posted 05/26/09 12:18pm

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NMuzakNSoul said:

graecophilos said:



Timmy...

last year I was working at my local newspaper and one of the journalists (he plays guitar in a rock band and probably thinks he's good and a musicologist) said Stevie Wonder would only sing la-la-la music.

To this day I don't speak to him anymore. His such a asshole, how dumb could one be?


There are those that don't get Stevie, or they only know a few hits and base their whole opinion on it but it is what it is. If you purely play rock and aren't open to other genres of music, or take the time out to know what they're about a statement like that arises. I usually keep on moving.


I don't play RnR at all! I am open to other genres save for Death Metal and hard stuff in general.

I know what Land Of La La is about. It was just ay joke.
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Reply #24 posted 05/26/09 2:01pm

Timmy84

NMuzakNSoul said:

graecophilos said:



Timmy...

last year I was working at my local newspaper and one of the journalists (he plays guitar in a rock band and probably thinks he's good and a musicologist) said Stevie Wonder would only sing la-la-la music.

To this day I don't speak to him anymore. His such a asshole, how dumb could one be?


There are those that don't get Stevie, or they only know a few hits and base their whole opinion on it but it is what it is. If you purely play rock and aren't open to other genres of music, or take the time out to know what they're about a statement like that arises. I usually keep on moving.


I call anybody who prefers just one genre biased. There's great things about Zeppelin, Wonder, Davis, Mahalia, Funkadelic, Teddy, in order to understand music, you have to appreciate everything you hear. Whenever I hear comments like that, I personally get offended not because they diss my favorite artist but the fact they just won't open up to listening it and liking SOMETHING from it.
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Reply #25 posted 05/26/09 6:21pm

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WELL HE SURE NOT WONDER WOMAN

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Reply #26 posted 05/28/09 8:57am

alphastreet

I Just Called was the first Stevie song I ever knew, and I still like it, though I agree that his 70's material is wayyyyy better and funkier

Black Man was definitely an educational and funky piece. I first heard of it when MJ was talking about it in some interview from the Thriller days, and mentioning Songs In the Key of Life. Awesome album by the way!

Talking Book definitely has underrated jams as well.
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Reply #27 posted 05/28/09 11:31pm

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alphastreet said:

I Just Called was the first Stevie song I ever knew, and I still like it, though I agree that his 70's material is wayyyyy better and funkier

Black Man was definitely an educational and funky piece. I first heard of it when MJ was talking about it in some interview from the Thriller days, and mentioning Songs In the Key of Life. Awesome album by the way!

Talking Book definitely has underrated jams as well.



the same with me. I read how he praised it. But back then, I didn't like it.
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Reply #28 posted 05/29/09 12:50am

NMuzakNSoul

I believe what y'all are talking about is from an Ebony Magazine Innerview from 1984. Maybe I can find it.
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