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Reply #120 posted 06/03/09 2:17am

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Unfortunately little print interview on the internet are spread.

Does anyone know if MG gave many? Are there major interviews at all?
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Reply #121 posted 06/03/09 11:23am

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I've got to say that watching this video makes me miss Marvin even more. Such a beautiful spirit and person.

Thanks for posting this.
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Reply #122 posted 06/03/09 12:47pm

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yeah, it caused me listening to Marvin again.
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Reply #123 posted 06/04/09 8:27pm

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I was watching the movie "Baby Boy", a while back and I heard this song come on. The movie played a portion of it. I was like who is that? My sister was like that's Marvin Gaye,"Just to keep you satisfied", I couldn't believe it. Then I realized I liked a lot of his music, I just didn't know it was him. He must have really loved Anna cause damn what a love song.
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Reply #124 posted 06/06/09 9:31am

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Slave2daGroove said:

I've got to say that watching this video makes me miss Marvin even more. Such a beautiful spirit and person.

Thanks for posting this.


really? what about the abuse he inflicted on women?
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Reply #125 posted 06/06/09 10:18am

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WOW! Thank you for posting this video. I have always been interested in Marvin Gaye and his relationship with his father {no doubt, stemming from the fact that I think What's Goin' On is the best album of all time}. Now I have some more perspective on the peculiarities this relationship contained.

I have studied and read about Gay, Sr's suppressed homosexuality and how it affected Jr's own sense of sexuality and their relationship as father and son. Sr, in my opinion, is definitely gay. I'm also struck by the notion that Sr. thought he was actually "giving" something of value to Jr by telling him he's proud of him, and note Jr's joyous reaction upon hearing praise from his father. He looked liked a child when he gave his dad a hug. But that lets you know immediately that Sr certainly had some issues when it came to parenting - it was as if in the past he purposefully withheld giving praise to his already overly sensitive son. I think it's easy to say that because of Sr's suppressed homosexuality while being a minister, the internal anguish led to him abusing his children; thus Jr and the others (I think two of Gaye's brothers or sisters were homosexuals as well) had some issues when it came to romantic relationships. But, like I said, that's a conjecture easily made.

As for Marvin Gaye abusing women, I will not make excuses for some of the more deplorable acts he committed against them. The fact that he was horribly flawed, however, makes him even more fascinating. I honestly think his questionable character is directly related to his upbringing. However, that does not diminish his art, in my opinion. Nobody is perfect.
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Reply #126 posted 06/08/09 12:23am

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goodlookingmofo said:

Slave2daGroove said:

I've got to say that watching this video makes me miss Marvin even more. Such a beautiful spirit and person.

Thanks for posting this.


really? what about the abuse he inflicted on women?

They should have kicked his ass back and left!
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Reply #127 posted 06/08/09 1:05am

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Chic35 said:

I read somewhere Marvin had the urge to dress in drag but he didn't. I wonder if he did behind closed doors? You have a lot of men who like to do that but are not gay at all. Well it's proven that his father likes to dress in full blow female attire. He's sittin on the porch chillin dressed in his feminine SUNDAY'S BEST.

I never understood how men could sing those love songs and be beating the shit outta women that they claim to love? It's like a love/hate thing. Now I see why Marvin had the royalty monies going to Anna Gordy, to stay in good with Berry Gordy. I read you had a fight on your hands when you attempted to leave Motown's label. That damn Berry Gordy was a fucking crook! I read Diana didn't get ripped off because she was his honey. Stevie didn't get ripped off because his mama was looking out for him. Smokey didn't get ripped off because he and Berry was best friends. The other artist were robbed blind.

Nah, when Diana left Motown, it was said that she had to find another house because she found out that most of what she owned was actually owned by Berry and Motown
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Reply #128 posted 06/09/09 1:33pm

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chuckaducci said:

WOW! Thank you for posting this video. I have always been interested in Marvin Gaye and his relationship with his father {no doubt, stemming from the fact that I think What's Goin' On is the best album of all time}. Now I have some more perspective on the peculiarities this relationship contained.

I have studied and read about Gay, Sr's suppressed homosexuality and how it affected Jr's own sense of sexuality and their relationship as father and son. Sr, in my opinion, is definitely gay. I'm also struck by the notion that Sr. thought he was actually "giving" something of value to Jr by telling him he's proud of him, and note Jr's joyous reaction upon hearing praise from his father. He looked liked a child when he gave his dad a hug. But that lets you know immediately that Sr certainly had some issues when it came to parenting - it was as if in the past he purposefully withheld giving praise to his already overly sensitive son. I think it's easy to say that because of Sr's suppressed homosexuality while being a minister, the internal anguish led to him abusing his children; thus Jr and the others (I think two of Gaye's brothers or sisters were homosexuals as well) had some issues when it came to romantic relationships. But, like I said, that's a conjecture easily made.

As for Marvin Gaye abusing women, I will not make excuses for some of the more deplorable acts he committed against them. The fact that he was horribly flawed, however, makes him even more fascinating. I honestly think his questionable character is directly related to his upbringing. However, that does not diminish his art, in my opinion. Nobody is perfect.

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Have you even bothered to read any of the books out about Marvin and his crazy father. I don't know that homosexuality is the cause for child abuse. It is possible that his dad just had a screw loose in his head.

He had a brother that was pedophile and raped Marvin's sister, he beat on both boys, refused to work and was kicked out of his church for running around with other woman.
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Reply #129 posted 06/09/09 2:42pm

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bboy87 said:

Chic35 said:

I read somewhere Marvin had the urge to dress in drag but he didn't. I wonder if he did behind closed doors? You have a lot of men who like to do that but are not gay at all. Well it's proven that his father likes to dress in full blow female attire. He's sittin on the porch chillin dressed in his feminine SUNDAY'S BEST.

I never understood how men could sing those love songs and be beating the shit outta women that they claim to love? It's like a love/hate thing. Now I see why Marvin had the royalty monies going to Anna Gordy, to stay in good with Berry Gordy. I read you had a fight on your hands when you attempted to leave Motown's label. That damn Berry Gordy was a fucking crook! I read Diana didn't get ripped off because she was his honey. Stevie didn't get ripped off because his mama was looking out for him. Smokey didn't get ripped off because he and Berry was best friends. The other artist were robbed blind.

Nah, when Diana left Motown, it was said that she had to find another house because she found out that most of what she owned was actually owned by Berry and Motown

Damn that is COLD BLOODED, so she only reaped the benefits if she was with Berry Gordy's ugly ass! Yeah Motown gave those artist the blues when they tried to get outta their contracts. I read Diana was blowing up the charts and only had a few thousand dollars in her bank account! Diana was real scandalous back then so I guess that was karma coming back around.
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Reply #130 posted 06/09/09 3:11pm

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Chic35 said:

bboy87 said:


Nah, when Diana left Motown, it was said that she had to find another house because she found out that most of what she owned was actually owned by Berry and Motown

Damn that is COLD BLOODED, so she only reaped the benefits if she was with Berry Gordy's ugly ass! Yeah Motown gave those artist the blues when they tried to get outta their contracts. I read Diana was blowing up the charts and only had a few thousand dollars in her bank account! Diana was real scandalous back then so I guess that was karma coming back around.

When the Jackson 5 left, they found out Berry had privately registered copyright of the name "Jackson Five", "Jackson 5", Jackson 5ive", although they had used it before they signed to Motown

then he sued them for breach of contract and it was ruled that they couldn't get royalties for anything released before 1976 (I'm not sure, I have to re-read it)

Michael tried to sue Universal and get a reversal on it but it was dismissed
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Reply #131 posted 06/09/09 6:11pm

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Chic35 said:

bboy87 said:


Nah, when Diana left Motown, it was said that she had to find another house because she found out that most of what she owned was actually owned by Berry and Motown

Damn that is COLD BLOODED, so she only reaped the benefits if she was with Berry Gordy's ugly ass! Yeah Motown gave those artist the blues when they tried to get outta their contracts. I read Diana was blowing up the charts and only had a few thousand dollars in her bank account! Diana was real scandalous back then so I guess that was karma coming back around.


I recall reading that Diana got all the fame and not the fortune. That why she always hustling those White billionaires lol
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Reply #132 posted 06/11/09 8:28am

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Slave2daGroove said:

I've got to say that watching this video makes me miss Marvin even more. Such a beautiful spirit and person.

Thanks for posting this.


really? what about the abuse he inflicted on women?


All I have is what he left for me and that's his music with a handful of interviews. Not one does he ever raise his voice, much less abuse anyone. Then in the interviews with his wives and kids have I ever heard them say he was physically abusive.

Did he abuse women? News to me.

Did he abuse drugs and alcohol? That's common knowledge and maybe had something to do with his behavior.
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Reply #133 posted 06/11/09 9:47am

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seems to me, allof Motown's big male stars had drug problems - save for Steve Wonder who says that taking drugs is like sucking the evil's dick.

So, was Motown attracted to troubled singers or were troubled singers attracted to Motown?
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Reply #134 posted 06/11/09 12:22pm

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graecophilos said:

seems to me, allof Motown's big male stars had drug problems - save for Steve Wonder who says that taking drugs is like sucking the evil's dick.

So, was Motown attracted to troubled singers or were troubled singers attracted to Motown?

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Berry kept so many people broke I think they drove people to drugs.
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Reply #135 posted 06/11/09 2:13pm

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graecophilos said:

seems to me, allof Motown's big male stars had drug problems - save for Steve Wonder who says that taking drugs is like sucking the evil's dick.

So, was Motown attracted to troubled singers or were troubled singers attracted to Motown?


Stevie might not have taken them, but some of his songs made references to them, "Don't you worry 'bout a thing", "Golden Lady", "Bird of Beauty", these songs were full of them.
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Reply #136 posted 06/11/09 2:19pm

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shorttrini said:

graecophilos said:

seems to me, allof Motown's big male stars had drug problems - save for Steve Wonder who says that taking drugs is like sucking the evil's dick.

So, was Motown attracted to troubled singers or were troubled singers attracted to Motown?


Stevie might not have taken them, but he some of his songs made references to them, "Don't you worry 'bout a thing", "Golden Lady", "Bird of Beauty", these songs were full of them.


Gotcha,' Stevie smoked it but didn't inhale, like President Clinton? blunt
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Reply #137 posted 06/11/09 3:29pm

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shorttrini said:

graecophilos said:

seems to me, allof Motown's big male stars had drug problems - save for Steve Wonder who says that taking drugs is like sucking the evil's dick.

So, was Motown attracted to troubled singers or were troubled singers attracted to Motown?


Stevie might not have taken them, but he some of his songs made references to them, "Don't you worry 'bout a thing", "Golden Lady", "Bird of Beauty", these songs were full of them.



Higher Ground, I Just Called To Say I Love You...

yeah, maybe he was talking from experience when he used that metaphor with the devil.
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Reply #138 posted 06/11/09 3:30pm

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wait a minute, I thought Golden Lady was about a woman who likes golden showers?
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Reply #139 posted 06/11/09 4:28pm

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graecophilos said:

wait a minute, I thought Golden Lady was about a woman who likes golden showers?


Ah...I don't think so, bro...
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Reply #140 posted 06/12/09 11:29am

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shorttrini said:

graecophilos said:

wait a minute, I thought Golden Lady was about a woman who likes golden showers?


Ah...I don't think so, bro...

The song is talking about a plant or a tree, that it needs the sun and rain to grow. Im assuming that's weed? He says he'd like to go there!

Weed is from the earth it's okay....LOL! wink Not that I smoke it! lol
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Reply #141 posted 06/12/09 11:46am

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Chic35 said:

shorttrini said:



Ah...I don't think so, bro...

The song is talking about a plant or a tree, that it needs the sun and rain to grow. Im assuming that's weed? He says he'd like to go there!

Weed is from the earth it's okay....LOL! wink Not that I smoke it! lol


well, I was just joking but I never assumed it would be about anything bad.
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Reply #142 posted 06/13/09 8:22am

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chuckaducci said:

WOW! Thank you for posting this video. I have always been interested in Marvin Gaye and his relationship with his father {no doubt, stemming from the fact that I think What's Goin' On is the best album of all time}. Now I have some more perspective on the peculiarities this relationship contained.

I have studied and read about Gay, Sr's suppressed homosexuality and how it affected Jr's own sense of sexuality and their relationship as father and son. Sr, in my opinion, is definitely gay. I'm also struck by the notion that Sr. thought he was actually "giving" something of value to Jr by telling him he's proud of him, and note Jr's joyous reaction upon hearing praise from his father. He looked liked a child when he gave his dad a hug. But that lets you know immediately that Sr certainly had some issues when it came to parenting - it was as if in the past he purposefully withheld giving praise to his already overly sensitive son. I think it's easy to say that because of Sr's suppressed homosexuality while being a minister, the internal anguish led to him abusing his children; thus Jr and the others (I think two of Gaye's brothers or sisters were homosexuals as well) had some issues when it came to romantic relationships. But, like I said, that's a conjecture easily made.

As for Marvin Gaye abusing women, I will not make excuses for some of the more deplorable acts he committed against them. The fact that he was horribly flawed, however, makes him even more fascinating. I honestly think his questionable character is directly related to his upbringing. However, that does not diminish his art, in my opinion. Nobody is perfect.

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Have you even bothered to read any of the books out about Marvin and his crazy father. I don't know that homosexuality is the cause for child abuse. It is possible that his dad just had a screw loose in his head.

He had a brother that was pedophile and raped Marvin's sister, he beat on both boys, refused to work and was kicked out of his church for running around with other woman.


You seem to have problems reading my posts. I seem to recall you trying to debate with me in another thread while making no sense because you didn't read my posts carefully. So to answer your questions:

1. Yes, I stated in this post that I have read about and studied Marvin Gaye's life. Divided Soul: The Life of Marvin Gaye, by David Ritz and Mercy, Mercy Me: The Art, Loves, and Demons of Marvin Gaye, by Michael Eric Dyson and a third that I glanced over by Frankie Gaye (I forget the title) are the books on Gaye that I've read.

2. I made the statement that Marvin Gaye Sr's repressed homosexuality may have been the cause for him abusing his children but acknowledged that may be an easy made conjecture. If you read the Ritz account, which quotes several of the Gaye siblings, you'll get the account I'm familiar with and the reason for my beliefs.

Now, off the top of my head, the Ritz account paints a bleak picture of Sr. - he was not just a martinet minister with a couple of loose screws. This guy suffered from internal anguish and definitely did not like Jr.

So I can do a comparison, what books have you read?

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Reply #143 posted 06/15/09 12:48am

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graecophilos said:

wait a minute, I thought Golden Lady was about a woman who likes golden showers?

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Reply #144 posted 06/17/09 12:25pm

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Marvin is crazy as hell! When Diana and Marvin did a album of duets back in 1971 called "Diana and Marvin", he would not put out his blunt joints in the studio, even though Diana was pregnant with Rhonda at the time! Even though she complained to Mr. Gordy he wouldn't stop smoking during the recordings.

Mr. Gaye refused to sing if he couldn't smoke his weed. The album was recorded by overdubbing Ross and Gaye at separate studio session dates.
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Reply #145 posted 06/18/09 9:15am

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Chic35 said:

Marvin is crazy as hell! When Diana and Marvin did a album of duets back in 1971 called "Diana and Marvin", he would not put out his blunt joints in the studio, even though Diana was pregnant with Rhonda at the time! Even though she complained to Mr. Gordy he wouldn't stop smoking during the recordings.

Mr. Gaye refused to sing if he couldn't smoke his weed. The album was recorded by overdubbing Ross and Gaye at separate studio session dates.


I don't think Marvin was "crazy". This sounds to neat. What he really was, was a depply troubled person. His problems surely have led to drug abuse and strange behaviour.

Crazy, for me, is someone like Little Richard, who even tries to act crazy.
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