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Don't be so sure of that. I personally may not be able to do anything about it but the death of it is definately possible. Just look what happened to disco. All it took was one famous DJ, a bunch of angry rock fans, and a record burning during a major sporting event to spark that death. The same could be done for shit hop if a major personality like Tom Joyner or Howard Stern had the balls to organize it. I do like the fact that shit hop is starting to enter into country music a little bit. If it ever starts getting bigger to the point that it begins to take over, those country fans would definately be the ones to fight back, especially since a large number of them are racist (like a lot of the previous disco haters were).

I'm glad you made that comment. Why is it here to stay? Was big band or swing here to stay? Was the Motown Sound of the 60s? Was the soulful sounds of the early 70s? Was the disco era of the late 70s? Was the funk era of the late 70s/early 80s? Was the house music era of the late 80s/early 90s?

Not really. A lot of us here came up in the funk era of the early 80s. A lot of the rap during that era reflected that era. A lot of the rap, well hell basically all of it, was basically funk itself with spoken lyrics rather than sung lyrics. Most of the songs had the same type drums or drum machines that the funk musicians were using. The songs had bass lines. Most of them were dance records.

And I remember a lot of the rappers of the late 80s complaining that R&B stations would not play their music on the air. Well, a lot of that underground stuff during the late 80s was stripped down, sample heavy, and midtempo which later started sounding even worse and came above ground and took over in the 1990s. But while those rappers in the late 80s were complaining though, groups like Egyptian Lover, LA Dream Team, Whistle, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, were all over the R&B airwaves. Hell, I can see why. Those were actually songs rather than just a slow beat and sample with some talking over it. Yeah, rap got played over the air but only the rap that could compete with funk. It's when the little white boys (who never liked funk or R&B to begin with) got into rap (which was that slow and dull shit) that rap started growing to the point of taking over everything.
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ok...since no one answered my question/examples of sample occurrences...and this is a prince site...


how do you guys feel about 2pac's re-interpratation of Jamie Starr/The Time's "777-9311"

here we have a song that is dancable, unapologetically thuggish, but basically a thematic continuation of the original subject matter




for those that dont know...Pac was an admitted prince fan, and often played a big compositional part in the "beatmaking" process <==that being said, a thorough listen to his discography reveals a heavy prince influence (even if this particular song borrows the groove completely)

japanrocks said:

uh oh.....vaindaddy gives his 2 shitty cents one more time about hip hop


Yep. And it won't be the last time either. It still dominates doesn't it? I'm still breathing ain't I? Like I said, it won't be the last time either.


you sound like broken record man


Maybe so, but one genre dominating the R&B world for damn near 20 years is the ultimate broken record.


get over it.....


Get over it, my ass. When did anything ever change by people "getting over it" and sitting back keeping their mouths shut? All I'm asking for is a complete style change. It doesn't even have to be a style that I like. But a natural style change without the hand of monopolized record labels and radio stations manipulating things is not too much to ask.


it is here to stay.....


I'm glad you made that comment. Why is it here to stay? Was big band or swing here to stay? Was the Motown Sound of the 60s? Was the soulful sounds of the early 70s? Was the disco era of the late 70s? Was the funk era of the late 70s/early 80s? Was the house music era of the late 80s/early 90s?

What makes shit hop so much greater than these other styles of music that it deserves to be "here to stay" forever and ever. Do they sing better? No. Do they play better instruments? No. Does it just plain sound better? No. I don't dispute your comment that it's here to stay because I absolute believe it. You are definately telling the truth about that. But I'll tell you why it's here to stay though. Because it is the cheapest form of music to make that can bring in the biggest profit available and the monopolies aren't about to let anything overthrow that formula. Now, if you want to be a damn sucker and fall into their trap (and I'm sure the major record execs are laughing at your ass for being content with such a cheap product), then by all means, be my guest. I, however, have more taste and sense than that.


nothing you can do.....


Don't be so sure of that. I personally may not be able to do anything about it but the death of it is definately possible. Just look what happened to disco. All it took was one famous DJ, a bunch of angry rock fans, and a record burning during a major sporting event to spark that death. The same could be done for shit hop if a major personality like Tom Joyner or Howard Stern had the balls to organize it. I do like the fact that shit hop is starting to enter into country music a little bit. If it ever starts getting bigger to the point that it begins to take over, those country fans would definately be the ones to fight back, especially since a large number of them are racist (like a lot of the previous disco haters were).

Not really. A lot of us here came up in the funk era of the early 80s. A lot of the rap during that era reflected that era. A lot of the rap, well hell basically all of it, was basically funk itself with spoken lyrics rather than sung lyrics. Most of the songs had the same type drums or drum machines that the funk musicians were using. The songs had bass lines. Most of them were dance records.

And I remember a lot of the rappers of the late 80s complaining that R&B stations would not play their music on the air. Well, a lot of that underground stuff during the late 80s was stripped down, sample heavy, and midtempo which later started sounding even worse and came above ground and took over in the 1990s. But while those rappers in the late 80s were complaining though, groups like Egyptian Lover, LA Dream Team, Whistle, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, were all over the R&B airwaves. Hell, I can see why. Those were actually songs rather than just a slow beat and sample with some talking over it. Yeah, rap got played over the air but only the rap that could compete with funk. It's when the little white boys (who never liked funk or R&B to begin with) got into rap (which was that slow and dull shit) that rap started growing to the point of taking over everything.

and black youth that grew up with the music. The only problem I have with u, Vainandy is that you say anything 1990s and beyond is bad music. I think the 90s had great music...u had grudge, alternative, dance and some great slow r&b songs. It just seems that rap/hip hop officially died when tupac and biggie died. I just can't stand how we will hav an upbeat fun song then have some stupid rapper ruin the song by spitting a verse.

and black youth that grew up with the music. The only problem I have with u, Vainandy is that you say anything 1990s and beyond is bad music. I think the 90s had great music...u had grudge, alternative, dance and some great slow r&b songs. It just seems that rap/hip hop officially died when tupac and biggie died. I just can't stand how we will hav an upbeat fun song then have some stupid rapper ruin the song by spitting a verse.

And having a rapper on your song don't always guarantee you're gonna get a hit, that's the mistake so many R&B singers are making. Just because Mary J. Blige did it don't mean you should.

Timmy84 said:

It was like what 2007-2008 lil Wanye was on everybody song and remix that was so chessy. Those artists and Wanye should be ashame of themself.

tamewar said:

TPain and Kanye are all over everybody's record as well.
And say it ain't so but Lionel Richie has enlisted the help
of Akon. Now Lionel has really reached an all time low and
we thought he did his best sellout job when he did a
duet with Alabama in the 80's.

tamewar said:

TPain and Kanye are all over everybody's record as well.
And say it ain't so but Lionel Richie has enlisted the help
of Akon. Now Lionel has really reached an all time low and
we thought he did his best sellout job when he did a
duet with Alabama in the 80's.

phunkdaddy said:

Oh how can i forget Akon and T-pain talk about overkill. These artist don't even try to be diffrent.

SirPsycho said:

Ok, something is just not quite right with that. Either Tupac is rapping too fast or off beat or the music has been speeded up too fast. Hate it.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Not too fast IMO. But 2pac always knew how to rap at a faster pace. But his best uptempo rap track in his whole career is Holla If You Hear Me.
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TonyVanDam said:

It's not a question of if Tupac can or cannot rap at a faster pace it's a matter of whether his flow on this particular record is too fast or off beat, or if the music has been speeded up too much.

I like it when hip-hop producers uses samples of old songs creatively, like take pieces of it and chop it up just so people can think it was an original song. And if the rapper has some creative lines like Q-Tip or Talib or somebody like that, then I can dig it.

tamewar said:

ugghh I cannot stand akon.

I think hip hop is one of the most brilliant and innovative forms of modern music to surface in the last 50 years.

I'm proud to be a part of it.

I just hate hiphop, it's poisoning all over national radio here in Denmark, maybe I hate this genre because I'm old

I'm brought up with rock, pop, disco, funk,

and I love a good melody, good music and people who can actually write a song and play an instrument,

nothing about hiphop is about that, it's all about style and showing off, the endless sampling of old hits instad of playing,

I just don't understand it, I know I hate hiphop 100%

Mara said:

Honestly.....what "music" is innovative from hiphop?