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Reply #120 posted 05/19/09 7:12am

paisleypark4

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Timmy84 said:

tamewar said:

Hip-Hop has become a product as Disco did in the late 70's. Yeah it was fun for awhile, but now it's so boring. The other day i saw that Burger king commercial with with Baby got Back confused

-Evey (Black) artist is either Hip-Hop or RnB not true but this what everyone thinks.

For example Santogold said people were shock she said she didn't like RnB and she said it was racist to say she was that or hip-hop. The Hip-Hop clan as I like to call them went on saying oh she thinks she to good for
hip hop, Fuck hipster, Other kelis.

I mean really has this genre become somewhat of a blackness trait.

And other thing Jay-z thinks he is the king of music that has to help everyground artist with his damn verses M.i.a, Amy, Santogold. Kanye too. When a new hot artist thats not even Hip-hop to begin with,here comes the Hip-Hop clan remixing and what not. lol

I'm not a hip-hop hater i luv it but do like other genres too. I don't like feeling trap. I like the freedom of music.

People question what will take over Hip-hop and i say nothing cause as soon as a new sound come the Hip-Hop clan will remix it!!!!!


That was horrendous. .


It was..the Spongebob BK commercial? I just looked and shook my head
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Reply #121 posted 05/19/09 7:34am

Timmy84

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:



That was horrendous. .


It was..the Spongebob BK commercial? I just looked and shook my head


Yes.
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Reply #122 posted 05/19/09 7:58am

bboy87

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SirPsycho said:

bboy87 said:


true, true.... and you know the dudes on Okayplayer went in on him just because of the how he pronounced Dilla lol


have you tried blogs? Send your stuff to the blogsites. That's instant promotion


well...i do my own blog of course, but i didnt know how i should send my stuff to blogs...i dont know why they would even care yaknow?

Try some of these:

2DopeBoyz
Blind I Is For The Kids
Life on Wax
LupEND
Art Nouveau Magazine
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #123 posted 05/19/09 8:50am

SirPsycho

tamewar said:

Hip-Hop has become a product as Disco did in the late 70's. Yeah it was fun for awhile, but now it's so boring. The other day i saw that Burger king commercial with with Baby got Back confused

-Evey (Black) artist is either Hip-Hop or RnB not true but this what everyone thinks.

For example Santogold said people were shock she said she didn't like RnB and she said it was racist to say she was that or hip-hop. The Hip-Hop clan as I like to call them went on saying oh she thinks she to good for
hip hop, Fuck hipster, Other kelis.

I mean really has this genre become somewhat of a blackness trait.

And other thing Jay-z thinks he is the king of music that has to help everyground artist with his damn verses M.i.a, Amy, Santogold. Kanye too. When a new hot artist thats not even Hip-hop to begin with,here comes the Hip-Hop clan remixing and what not. lol

I'm not a hip-hop hater i luv it but do like other genres too. I don't like feeling trap. I like the freedom of music.

People question what will take over Hip-hop and i say nothing cause as soon as a new sound come the Hip-Hop clan will remix it!!!!!


the "hip hop clan" lol
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Reply #124 posted 05/19/09 8:51am

SirPsycho

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is alicia keys song "jealous of your girlfriend" a justified case? or no?



original:


(lets assume for a second, dirty's version relies on an original piano loop)

or

if jay namechecks in his story, that he is in fact listening to marvin gaye...does this change the "fairness of use"?



original:


so no one wants to give it a shot huh? smile
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Reply #125 posted 05/19/09 9:04am

Thibaut

GREAT OLD SCHOOL DR. DRE JAMS:




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Reply #126 posted 05/19/09 10:29am

paisleypark4

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SirPsycho said:[quote]

SirPsycho said:


so no one wants to give it a shot huh? smile



These to me have just swayed the subject matter off topic.....
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Reply #127 posted 05/19/09 10:40am

SirPsycho

paisleypark4 said:[quote]

SirPsycho said:

SirPsycho said:


so no one wants to give it a shot huh? smile



These to me have just swayed the subject matter off topic.....


confuse

how so?
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Reply #128 posted 05/19/09 11:43am

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Hip Hop is gone to the dogs...not what it used to be.
I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault!
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Reply #129 posted 05/19/09 12:42pm

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SirPsycho said:

paisleypark4 said:




These to me have just swayed the subject matter off topic.....


confuse

how so?



The topic is how have rap gone awry? The answes have been answered, but too much were looking in2 samples.. hell the first commercial rap song was brought up on Chic's Good Times..and Beatie Boy's Paul Boutique is one of rap's classic chopped up albums full of samples. So then where does the conversation go? Have the chopped samples made hip hop go astray? have the full samplings made hip hop go in the dumps...or what about the original ringtone rap Cash Money and Master P made popular made street rap almostly an underground thing? I would believe its the latter.
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Reply #130 posted 05/19/09 12:50pm

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japanrocks said:

for those who utterly loathe hip hop.....who gives a fuck what you think


Apparently someone does because a thread was made asking why. But another strike against shit hop though, is it absolutely breeds cheap low class shitty attitudes like this one.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #131 posted 05/19/09 12:54pm

SirPsycho

paisleypark4 said:

SirPsycho said:



confuse

how so?



The topic is how have rap gone awry? The answes have been answered, but too much were looking in2 samples.. hell the first commercial rap song was brought up on Chic's Good Times..and Beatie Boy's Paul Boutique is one of rap's classic chopped up albums full of samples. So then where does the conversation go? Have the chopped samples made hip hop go astray? have the full samplings made hip hop go in the dumps...or what about the original ringtone rap Cash Money and Master P made popular made street rap almostly an underground thing? I would believe its the latter.


i understand that. and believe it or not, i'm pretty aware of hip hop history,

but everyone's intitled to their own opinion, and as per original request- alot of people said their primary issue was sampling, so i asked them their opinon on those two particular cases? (none of them have responded tho interestingly enough.. lol)

personally dont have a problem with sampling, but as i said in the begining of the thread i wasnt gonna argue over it this time. i was just curious enough to dig deeper into the context by which they declared sampling immoral
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Reply #132 posted 05/19/09 12:56pm

SirPsycho

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Apparently someone does because a thread was made asking why. But another strike against shit hop though, is it absolutely breeds cheap low class shitty attitudes like this one.


ha. as opposed to other far-reaching genres with millions of opinionated fans..


you're on your a game andy babe lol
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Reply #133 posted 05/19/09 1:04pm

Graycap23

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Apparently someone does because a thread was made asking why. But another strike against shit hop though, is it absolutely breeds cheap low class shitty attitudes like this one.

lol.....
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Reply #134 posted 05/19/09 1:16pm

paisleypark4

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SirPsycho said:[quote]

paisleypark4 said:




i was just curious enough to dig deeper into the context by which they declared sampling immoral




Thats why im saying...Hip Hop was formed on the basis of copying old school songs with raps over them...until they got their own instruments quickly and started doing it themselves....for a short time that is...
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Reply #135 posted 05/19/09 1:24pm

SirPsycho

paisleypark4 said:[quote]

SirPsycho said:

paisleypark4 said:




i was just curious enough to dig deeper into the context by which they declared sampling immoral




Thats why im saying...Hip Hop was formed on the basis of copying old school songs with raps over them...until they got their own instruments quickly and started doing it themselves....for a short time that is...


ok
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Reply #136 posted 05/19/09 1:47pm

Cinnie

rolleyes You can't tell me you would rather hear a buncha basketball rap instead of some hard sampled shit like "The Bridge".


whistle THEY'RE PLAYIN BAAAASKET BALLLLL

ORG LOVES THAT BAS
KET
whistle BALLLLL
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Reply #137 posted 05/19/09 1:48pm

Cinnie

Graycap23 said:

vainandy said:



Apparently someone does because a thread was made asking why. But another strike against shit hop though, is it absolutely breeds cheap low class shitty attitudes like this one.

lol.....


whistle BAAAASKET BALLLLL boogie
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Reply #138 posted 05/19/09 1:52pm

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Anxiety said:

it always bothers me when someone says "i hate ALL hip-hop" just like when someone says "i hate ALL country/jazz/classical", etc.

how can you know you hate something until you've actually heard it?

just as a blanket opinion, i don't like current contemporary top 40 hip-hop. gangsta rap. ringtone rap. blingsta rap. whatever you want to call it. i dislike it because musically, it sounds uninspired and it lacks energy. lyrically, i think it's all disingenuous posturing that has little connection with artistry or culture that i find valuable. lil' wayne might as well be hannah montana as far as i'm concerned. shrug

that's not to say i don't like a lot of hip-hop, because i do. most of what i like was created in the 80s, and some in the 90s. i know what i like when i hear it, so if i hear something new coming out that people are excited about, i will at least give it an honest chance the first time i have an opportunity to hear it.

for me to say i hate an entire genre without knowing all of what i am turning my nose up at is kind of like judging something preemptively. i don't like that.


Sums it up perfectly 4 me, and clearly as well, on all points.

Hip-hop was very exciting from approximately 1987-1994, where U had a variety of styles, and lyrical subject matter. Skills were abundant, both lyrically and musically.

The lyrical and musical diversity is gone now, and the beats sound tired and "genericised" 2 death.

Sadly, the days of Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Chubb Rock, etc, etc, etc, R OVER.

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[Edited 5/19/09 13:53pm]
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Reply #139 posted 05/19/09 1:54pm

Cinnie

Giovanni777 said:

Sadly, no one makes songs like "Basketball" anymore

confused
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Reply #140 posted 05/19/09 1:57pm

SirPsycho

Giovanni777 said:

Anxiety said:

it always bothers me when someone says "i hate ALL hip-hop" just like when someone says "i hate ALL country/jazz/classical", etc.

how can you know you hate something until you've actually heard it?

just as a blanket opinion, i don't like current contemporary top 40 hip-hop. gangsta rap. ringtone rap. blingsta rap. whatever you want to call it. i dislike it because musically, it sounds uninspired and it lacks energy. lyrically, i think it's all disingenuous posturing that has little connection with artistry or culture that i find valuable. lil' wayne might as well be hannah montana as far as i'm concerned. shrug

that's not to say i don't like a lot of hip-hop, because i do. most of what i like was created in the 80s, and some in the 90s. i know what i like when i hear it, so if i hear something new coming out that people are excited about, i will at least give it an honest chance the first time i have an opportunity to hear it.

for me to say i hate an entire genre without knowing all of what i am turning my nose up at is kind of like judging something preemptively. i don't like that.


Sums it up perfectly 4 me, and clearly as well, on all points.

Hip-hop was very exciting from approximately 1987-1994, where U had a variety of styles, and lyrical subject matter. Skills were abundant, both lyrically and musically.

The lyrical and musical diversity is gone now, and the beats sound tired and "genericised" 2 death.

Sadly, the days of Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Chubb Rock, etc, etc, etc, R OVER.

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[Edited 5/19/09 13:53pm]


de la soul just dropped an album a month ago and a mixtape 2 years before that (no attitude intended. just sharing)
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Reply #141 posted 05/19/09 1:57pm

SirPsycho

Cinnie said:

Giovanni777 said:

Sadly, no one makes songs like "Basketball" anymore

confused


lol did i org note you my mixtape cinnie?
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Reply #142 posted 05/19/09 1:58pm

Cinnie

SirPsycho said:

Cinnie said:


confused


lol did i org note you my mixtape cinnie?


Nah man, hit me up smile
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Reply #143 posted 05/19/09 2:02pm

SirPsycho

Cinnie said:

SirPsycho said:



lol did i org note you my mixtape cinnie?


Nah man, hit me up smile


done
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Reply #144 posted 05/19/09 2:54pm

vainandy

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Cinnie said:

Graycap23 said:


lol.....


whistle BAAAASKET BALLLLL boogie


I used to love that one. And it goes like this....

They're playin' baaaasket balllll
Without that bas ket ballll


Hell, that's the only way I play basketball....
Without the basketball.
Hell, just give me the balls honey. lol

I also used to like "The Superbowl Shuffle". lol
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #145 posted 05/19/09 3:13pm

kenlacam

I just love this thread-as a hip hop lover, it amuses me to see the lengths that people go to in order to describe how much they hate hip hop. You don't like it? You don't have to listen to it, just like I don't have to listen to country music.
TUPAC 4 EVER.
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Reply #146 posted 05/19/09 3:26pm

TotalAlisa

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Bottom Line. ITS GETTING PLAYED OUT
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Reply #147 posted 05/19/09 3:29pm

vainandy

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kenlacam said:

I just love this thread-as a hip hop lover, it amuses me to see the lengths that people go to in order to describe how much they hate hip hop. You don't like it? You don't have to listen to it, just like I don't have to listen to country music.
TUPAC 4 EVER.


Then, what do we have to listen to? That's the problem. It's not a matter of simply listening to something else. There's nothing else to listen to, R&B-wise, and shit hop is the reason for that.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #148 posted 05/19/09 3:35pm

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'FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO UTTERLY LOATHE HIP HOP- WHY?'

i think some started a thread and asked a question. idea

Rap evolved into a misogynistic, homophobic, hyper-macho, racist, self-hating, music of death.
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Reply #149 posted 05/19/09 3:40pm

SirPsycho

TD3 said:

'FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO UTTERLY LOATHE HIP HOP- WHY?'

i think some started a thread and asked a question. idea

Rap evolved into a misogynistic, homophobic, hyper-macho, racist, self-hating, music of death.


clapping we have a winner ladies and gentlemen..
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