ernestsewell said:

Oh i have no problem with them being Christian...but preachers??? hell to the nawww. How are you just going to sin yourself into oblivion the all of a sudden act like you're God's spokesperson? Leave that to the one's who've spent their whole lives studying scripture and have had no other calling but to serve, travel and speak, and teach. This musician/star turned holy roller kinda irritates me. It irritates me cuz I kind of think they are in it because they've found a new cash cow.

ernestsewell said:

When did Brownmark convert?
It's no surprise though. The answer is simple as you get older you
mellow out and it's no different with entertainers.

phunkdaddy said:

I think he has been for a while. It first came to attention during the 2000 or 2001 celebration. Cryptic, Mark's band, was playing at 1st avenue, and Prince took over the soundboard. That might have been the same year the semi-Revolution reunion happened w/ Mark, Matt, and Bobby. On A.M.P., there were notes made about Prince buddying up again w/ Brownmark, based moreso on the JW thing.

DesireeNevermind said:

There's a great thing called Grace. It's the allowance to mess up, be forgiven and God still see you as the fantastic creature He made you. Not every preacher or teacher in history started out with a golden pass from God like that. They might have always been called to do that, but people go off track all the time. The thing is, even as a preacher, people still sin. It's human nature. Is she purposely going out and humming "Nasty Girl" to the kids? No. But she's human. She has a past like any of us.

With all due respect to the statement (not attacking YOU), I get really tired of the money correlation with preachers. EVERYONE needs to get paid. A pastor takes a salary from the church. And most times the Board of Trustees, or Directors, or whatever they choose to name it, determines that. However, I understand what most people have in their heads when they make statements like that. They are used to seeing really rich preachers like Swaggart, Bakker, Falwell (who ran a college too, although I loathe that man, and wasn't sad when he died), etc all but flaunt their money.

However in 99% of the places, preachers don't live much above their congregation's income levels. Some live below it. It's the few greedy ones that give all the others trying to do good in their communities, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring for the elderly, etc a bad name.

Ms. Matthews isn't making loads of money, or anywhere close to it. She has her income, but she's not driving a BMW living in a big white mansion either.

As far as Pebbles, who knows. She still seemed shady on the Behind The Music thing when asked about TLC. I hope she finds peace in her life and does right by people.

Lastly most people have NOT spent their lives reading God's word, studying scripture, etc and then naturally go into preaching God's word. Remember, when Jesus gathered his disciples to follow Him, he was talking to fishermen. He asked his brother. He asked a loud mouth. He asked a VERY random group of people. When he said "Go and preach" just before He left earth, He talked to everyone not just those who were His disciples. God can use anyone, anytime. Including Ms. Pretty Mess. Heck if anything, imagine the bigger testimony of coming from a horrible background of drugs, etc and now living for God. That's a big, fat 180 for anyone to appreciate.

DesireeNevermind said:

Some don't convert for a cash cow. I agree that some do, but I don't think all of them do.

I don't mind that people convert and become preachers. I don't know what's in a person's heart or what God has told them to do.

ernestsewell said:

I think you're right. Didn't Prince mention that Mark was trying to get him to convert before he left the Revolution?

daPrettyman said:

Never heard that part, but it could be true.

daPrettyman said:

I don't think Jesus took a salary nor any of his disciples. I don't want to pay for salvation. I'd rather pray for it and work to be a good person. I know tithing is mentioned in the bible but church marketing/profiting has gone haywire. I've yet to see a preacher/minister who isn't living better than his/her parishoners. Parishoners pay for a home that's bigger and in a better neighborhood than they themselves live. This is the case in many churches with large congregations and for small churches, the goal is to become large. There's a lot of money in them there pews. Im jus sayin'

$29.99 to get my prayer delivered to the Lord. $16.99 for a book on overcoming adversity through the Lord. lemme see. i got 2 bucks. maybe next time.

j/k it aint that serious. I still think Pebbles is fraudulent tho.

DesireeNevermind said:

DesireeNevermind said:

You'd be wrong. Jesus had 12 men following him around for 3 years. They went to many places, talked to many folks. How did they live? Were they scraping for berries in the wilderness to survive on? They had surplus. They had money to live on and survive by. They had means. Jesus even said, "Render under to Caesar (the government) what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's."



You don't have to and no preacher has ever said you don't tithe that you're going to hell. Jesus paid it already. Your bill is clear, trust me.




Totally agree. I stated earlier that there are those few greedy preachers who give the good ones a bad name. They are the minority though, not the majority.



Let's also remember that most families are a two income home. The wife is working as well, and with any family, they have a choice to invest money, to save it for bigger purchases down the line (like a car, a new home down payment, a vacation, etc).



Yes, there is, but people are not stupid. People do not blindly go into a church, empty their wallets, and wander out into the streets thinking God is going to drop manna from heaven to feed them, and somehow let the elec. company conveniently forget a bill that needs to be paid.



In some regard, couldn't the same argument be made to someone like Prince? He's not a preacher (although he thinks he is). He wants your money in exchange for a book, a disk of music, a movie, SOMETHING. You have two bucks in your pocket. Next time, still?

Just know I'm not attacking you. I love a good debate, and I'm more attacking the ideas you've presented, because I've heard them a million times before. Every medium in the world has been exploited, whether it's print media, or religion, magazines, movies, or the internet. All have been used for bad, but were meant for good. None of us are going to throw away our televisions because of the Playboy channel being offensive. None of us are going to throw away our ISP's because we found 2girls1cup highly disgusting. We examine what we want, and we concentrate on that. That scrutiny goes for picking a church, a religion, a pastor, or a music artist, that we feel comfortable with.

^some people are taken advantage of by churches. many an elderly have gone broke because they give so much to churches. Many people are psychologically mislead because their preacher/priest/pastor is misleading them.

As for Jesus not taking a salary. I stand by that. I think he and his disciples made it by on the good graces of others and by trading skills for food/shelter etc. He had his disciples abandon what they had (homes, money) to follow him. when he said render unto Ceasar I believe he was talking taxes. As for render unto God, that could mean just about anything. Currency is not always cash. The cash part is where I take exception because it can breed corruption and even the bible says love of money is the root of all evil.

With Prince. I wouldn't put what he's selling in the same context of this discussion. What I buy from him is tangible, long lasting and not meant to save me or bring me closer to God or even educate me. Its purely entertainment. I don't watch Playboy or have ever seen 2girls1cup. Boy U R telling on yourself.


I know ur not attacking me big poppa. Shiit I dig debates too. Why you think I'm still entertaining yo azz!

DesireeNevermind said:

I'm gay, so 2girls or Playboy isn't anything I'd be interested in, trust me.

Man, who would have thought a discussion about Pebbles would turn out to be a religious one? That's why I love the org.

funkpill said:

ernestsewell said:

Whew! good cuz that 2girl1cup thing sounds um....disturbing

And please don't tell me what it is!
[Edited 5/19/09 11:41am]

diamondpearl1 said:

I didn't like the way she did TLC either. Perri was very strict with TLC she would let them do shit without consulting her. She was more like their warden then manager! Pebbles was going through it herself cause at the time her marriage was in shambles, had a very bitter divorce going on, so I guess at the time misery liked company...

DesireeNevermind said:

Trust that shit will have you throwing up in your hands it's just that bad! Those weirdos took sex to a whole new disgusting ass level...

ernestsewell said:

In "Giving You The Benefit" didn't she sing "I could be a pimp but I choose not too."?

carlcranshaw said:

"I could be a TRIP but I choose not to." It makes sense because the lyrics are about forgiving the other person in the relationship.

carlcranshaw said:

wha??? i thought she was saying I could be yo trick but I choose not too. but no doubt pimp sounds betta

DesireeNevermind said:

I could be a trip
But I choose not to
Deep inside of you
I think there`s still good in you boy
Don`t give me no reason not to trust you
Just take the benefit
Don`t give me no lip
And I`ll be sweet to you

Tryin` to understand you right boy
So you need some time to work it out, work it
Well there`s really no need to fuss and fight, no
All I want is for you to try and work it out

Lately, I`ve been trying to figure out your mind
And why you keep dissin` me
Poor little me
And why you have a change of heart
And turn it all around
And then try to put it on me
Poor little me
(But don`t you know

I could be a trip
I could make things hard
But baby I believe that you still got a heart
That`s why I
Try to stop myself before I start
`Cause I could make it tough
I could make it rough
But I won`t

Well I`ll be givin` you the benefit
Of the doubt
Givin` you a minute to
Try to work it on out
I`ll be givin` you the benefit
Of the doubt
And I`m givin` you a minute to
Try to work it on out

Baby, work it on, work it on out
Work, work, work
Baby, work it on, work it on out
Work, work, work

Baby how could you be hangin` out on the town
And claim that you missin` me
Poor little me
When you knew all the time
That you could`ve been with your homegirl
Lovin` and a kissin` on me
Sweet little me
But don`t you know

If you wanna be a man
You gotta work real hard
If you wanna make me feel I`m like your number one and
Nothin` in the world should make us part
Cause we can make it work
If you take away the hurt
From the heart

HOOK

Baby, work it on, work it on out
Work, work, work
Work it baby
Work, work, work
Try to work it on, work it on, work it on, work it on out
Work, work, work
Work it baby
Work, work, work
Keep tryin` to work it on out

I could be a trip
But I choose not to
Deep inside of you
I think there`s still good in you boy
Don`t give me no reason not to trust you
Just take the benefit
Don`t give me no lip
And I`ll be sweet to you

Tryin` to understand you right boy
So you need some time to work it out, work it
Well there`s really no need to fuss and fight, no
All I want is for you to try and work it out

I`ll be givin` you a minute or two
To try and work it out
I wanna work it baby
I`ll be givin` you a minute or two
To try and work it out
But don`t you take too long baby

HOOK

I`ll be givin` you the benefit
(I`ll be givin` it to you)
Of the doubt
Givin` you a minute to
(Givin` it to you)
Try to work it on out
I`ll be givin` you the benefit
(I`ll be givin` it to you)
Of the doubt
Givin` you a minute to
(Givin` it to you)
Try to work it on out

(I`ll be givin it to you)
Boy I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit
(Givin it to you)
Ooh I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit
(I`ll be givin` it to you)
Boy I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit
(Givin` it to you)
Ooh I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit

(I`ll be givin it to you)
Boy I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit
(Givin it to you)
Ooh I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit
(I`ll be givin` it to you)
Boy I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit
(Givin` it to you)
Ooh I want to give it
Givin` you the benefit

I`ll be givin` you a minute or two
To try and work it out
I wanna work it baby
I`ll be givin` you a minute or two
To try and work it out
But don`t you take too long baby

I`ll be givin` you the benefit
(Boy I want to give it)
Of the doubt
(Givin` you the benefit)
Givin` you a minute to
(Ooh I want to give it)
Try to work it on out
(Givin` you the benefit)
I`ll be givin` you the benefit
(Boy I want to give it)
Of the doubt
(Givin` you the benefit)
Givin` you a minute to
(Ooh I want to give it)
Try to work it on out
(Givin` you the benefit)

And why you have a change of heart
And turn it all around
And then try to put it on me
Poor little me



that sound like some Prince mess ryte there

daPrettyman said:[quote]

DesireeNevermind said:

I could be a trip
But I choose not to

Oh, I see. I thought she wrote the song after a board meeting with TLC after she decided to manage them.

Oh i have no problem with them being Christian...but preachers??? hell to the nawww. How are you just going to sin yourself into oblivion the all of a sudden act like you're God's spokesperson? Leave that to the one's who've spent their whole lives studying scripture and have had no other calling but to serve, travel and speak, and teach. This musician/star turned holy roller kinda irritates me. It irritates me cuz I kind of think they are in it because they've found a new cash cow. [/quote]

I don't know. I think she can make it work for her.

I can see her at the pulpit and they put the remix on: Mercedes Mer Mer Mer Mercedes.

And then she says "God wants Sister Perri to have a new... Mercedes Mer Mer Mer Mercedes. So I'll be giving you the benefit of the doubt to look into your hearts and your wallets. Because love and especially money makes things happen."

There may be a slight chance of her entering hell with a gasoline camisole on but who's to say?

this my moms shit right here.she still bumps pebbles like she came out in 09 lol

Chic35 said:

Yes it is, and here's my reaction:

daPrettyman said:

Yeah Pebbles use to be something else. She was once know for her street skills as a hooker back in Oakland, Ca. before she her singing career. I am glad she is doing something positive now.

OldTeenager said:

I've heard many a "Pebbles was a Ho" tales. Wasn't she just coming off some married man's jock when she met LA Reid?