Sdldawn said:

Anyone that knows dre career knows he is mainly a record
producer and not a rapper. At this point i don't care about
him or eminem. I suppose eminem has his audience here but
outside of lose yourself he has shown me nothing as a
lyricist. Now ask yourself if you took a poll what would
people consider to be more classic The Chronic Lp
(even if you say snoop assists) or that slim shady shit
or that marshall mathers shit or jerry mathers or
whatever he chooses to call himself.
Let's be realistic dre gave this clown a break when
no one else would. That settles it.
[Edited 5/13/09 10:17am]

phunkdaddy said:

and you wouldn't call dre's investment in Eminem to not be a successful smart move?

please.. you're hatin on the man for the wrong reasons.

Sdldawn said:

Did you read my post? It's hard to hate on someone whom i didn't
care for to begin with. It's cool if eminem fans think he's great
but would you really after all is said and done consider him to
be one of the greats.

Sdldawn said:

that's just an example of the impact em had.

mtv WAS not playing dre videos, radio wasn;t playing dre tracks etc

phunkdaddy said:

Em hasn;t proven himself as a lyricist?

em is one of the greatest lyricists ever just ask redman, rakim, canibus, nas, jay, mystikal royce the 5 9 who have all said that.

Dre has ridden the backs of people his whole career. the chronic was a joint production which dre took the credit for.
btw; dre IS NOT A RAPPER; he has NEVER wrote a lyric in his life.

phunkdaddy said:

em is definately top 5 imo
NOBODY today is rapping like he did 99-2003

lil wayne gets called the greatest alive but he is NOTHING compared to em. Weezy could never rap like em did in hellbound, infinite, revelations, renegade, soldier etc

goodlookingmofo said:

I've heard rappers say heavy D is one of the best ever as
a compliment but that doesn't put him in the top 5 and i
love hev. To say eminem is one of the best ever and to put
him in the top 5 definitely says you're a die hard fan.

phunkdaddy said:

No great rapper has said anything like that about heavy as an mc.

Actually em is not even my fav rapper; that is canibus.

I'm not a huge fan of Mariah, but i just listened to "Clown", a cool song, and if it is about Em, i can see why he's being a little bitch cause she cuts him down to bite size, lol
Mariah just gained a lot of respect from me becasue of that song

goodlookingmofo said:

Radio wasn't playing dre tracks. MTV wasn't playing dre videos.
How old are you 22? You seriously believe what you just said.
Dude back in 93 you couldn't turn on the fuckin radio without
hearing It's a g thang, dre day, or let me ride. MTV not only
played dre videos they were playing NWA videos before dre
went solo. That is factual. You ever heard of Yo Mtv Raps.
That was long before eminem. You make it seem as though
eminem revolutionized rap and rap's impact on tv. You
straight trippin on this eminem thing dude.

phunkdaddy said:

I remember that too. Dre was everywhere in '93, he and Snoop.

goodlookingmofo said:

Yeah, cuz that makes sense.

phunkdaddy said:

You're right about Dre. He was EVERYWHERE for about 10 years, starting in 1993, about the time Snoop came around. "G Thang" was ev'rywhur. If anyone revolutionized rap it was Dre. His sound was totally different from anything you were hearing. he took it to a whole new level; a level that some are still trying to copy.

Feminem is a nobody anymore, and WTF is up with his face??!?!?! SURGERY!

ernestsewell said:

That sounds familiar.

phunkdaddy said:

Yes it does but it's true.
[Edited 5/14/09 8:56am]

ernestsewell said:

mmhmm miss marshall looks like sharon stone these days

phunkdaddy said:

wow
I obviously wasn;t meaning 93
I was talking about when em came out in 99
I have watched every episode of mtv raps.

Christopher said:

The Eminem phenomenon perplexed me.

He entered a genre where face is important. Where posturing is important. Where 'diss' songs to an opponent are customary.

But Eminem chose soft targets. NSYNC, Britney Spears, and MOBY are NOT going to earn you any street cred when dissing them. I would loved to have seen him mouth off to Method Man and see hot that turned out

But, by picking soft targets, the stupid ass media labelled him a 'bad boy'.
Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm not advocating violence nor bad behavior. But if you're going to sell yourself as a thug, challenging Moby to a bitch slapping session isn't exactly that impressive to me.





And , as is true with a lot of rap acts, all the hoopla only masked the fact that he was only marginally talented, if at all.

Imago said:

Exactly. He's a total idiot. NONE of those people suffered any backlash because of his words. Carson Daly didn't either, nor did Christina Aguilera. They all went on to keep their successful careers.



He was obviously backlashing at the boy band and pop princesses at the time but come on. Metallica doesn't like Britney Spears either, but they didn't release an album called "WHORE" or anything with her picture on it. The media loves ANY controversy (what they DEEM controversy). When Feminem performed "Stan" with Elton John on some award show, when the song was over, and they took a bow, Fem flipped off the audience. The cameras cropped it out (although in one split second shot from afar, you could see what he was doing). The local NBC affiliate carried the story for TWO separate broadcasts. I emailed the anchor, and told her how is THAT news? She said "When a pop star flipped off a national audience, that is news we are going to cover." I ripped her a new one and told her that was NOT news, and there were a hundred other stories going on in the Albany area, or nationally, that should have been covered instead of Feminem flipping folks off. Never did hear back from her after that.



Couldn't have said it better myself. That's true for about 95% of rap acts today.

Imago said:

PREACH!!

phunkdaddy said:

If I remember correctly, Dre didn't release anything in '96-99 due to problems with Death Row. He also wasn't doing much producing at the time, instead he was concentrating on building Aftermath .

He was released 2001 in '99 and that shit was EVERYWHERE, then Em's first album came out.....

I wonder if 50 and Eminem would have 'beef' if they weren't already cool. Would Em pick on 50 the way he does women and non-confrontational men?

Imago said:

Dont forget dissing his own mother and the mother of his kid and Mariah. lol

Mariah hit the nail on the head, he's just a clown.
[Edited 5/14/09 9:56am]

violetblues said:

Mariah is right about that. Fem is a charactature of himself at this point. And we ALL have mommy issues, but to take it to the level he did, AND to want the mother of his child dead... class fucking act. He's a joke. I think we're all just being punked by Dre.

ernestsewell said:

Yeah...he talked about it too much...I think on EVERY album....it was like, "OK WE KNOW!"

I dont enjoy the single too much, but as usual there is always something that pulls me in with this guy. his clever wprdplay and lyrics beyond the jokes are always thoughtful. It so much better than anything that is played on the radio these days in the hip hop genre.

Thats why he remains one of the best. He like Jay-Z always can bring in an audience and stay clever with lyrical play at the same time. Not alot of rappers can do that no matter WHO you are.

I'd rather listen to him than 90% of all the most popular rappers out right now.

paisleypark4 said:

Yes he is entertaining, and his phrasing is too.

But all clowns can be entertaining.

bboy87 said:

not true
SSLP came out before 2001

Imago said:

Ignorance is bliss

em was a battle rapper in detroit before he got signed

MANY rapper use metaphors and name check celebs; ask chino xl.
Moby made comments about em first as did christina. Was em the only one thinking fuck these boy bands? HELL NO. He just said it; so what; many artists have.

You clearly do not know hip hop at all. Em has slayed eveyone who has gone aagainst him from icp, everlast, benzino, the source magazine and canibus.

Em is not a thug as he said himself; SSLP is a character and it's just entertainment.

Look at these eyes, baby blue, baby just like yourself, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady
Sits on the shelf, but Shady's cute, Shady knew, Shady's dimple's would help, make ladies swoon
Baby, {ooh baby}, look at my sales, let's do the math, if I was black, I would've sold half, I
Ain't have to graduate from Lincoln high school to know that, but I could rap, so fuck school,
I'm too cool to go back, gimme the mic, show me where the fuckin' studio's at, when I was Underground, no one gave a fuck I was white, no labels wanted to sign me, almost gave up, I was like, fuck it, until I met Dre, the only one to look past, gave me a chance, and I lit a fire up
Under his ass, helped him get back to the top, every fan black that I got, was probably his in Exchange for every white fan that he's got, like damn, we just swapped, sittin' back lookin' at
Shit, wow, I'm like my skin is it starting to work to my benefit now, it's...

They say music can alter moods and talk to you
Well can it load a gun up for you , and cock it too
Well if it can, then the next time you assault a dude
Just tell the judge it was my fault and i'll get sued
See what these kids do is hear about us totin' pistols
And they want to get one cause they think the shit's cool
Not knowin' we really just protectin' ourselves, we entertainers
Of course the shit's affectin' our sales, you ignoramus
But music is reflection of self, we just explain it, and then we get our
checks in the mail
It's fucked up ain't it
How we can come from practically nothing to being able to have any fuckin'
thing that we wanted
That's why we sing for these kids, who don't have a thing
Except for a dream, and a fuckin' rap magazine
Who post pin-up pictures on their walls all day long
Idolize they favorite rappers and know all they songs
Or for anyone who's ever been through shit in their lives
Till they sit and they cry at night wishin' they'd die
Till they throw on a rap record and they sit, and they vibe
We're nothin' to you but we're the fuckin' shit in they eyes
That's why we seize the moment try to freeze it and own it, squeeze it and
hold it
Cause we consider these minutes golden
And maybe they'll admit it when we're gone
Just let our spirits live on, through our lyrics that you hear in our
songs and we can...

Man, if I could sing, I'd keep singing this song to my daughter
If I could hit the notes, I'd blow something as long as my father
To show her how I feel about her, how proud I am that I got her
God, I'm a daddy, I'm so glad that her mum didn't abort
Now you probly get this picture from my public persona
That I'm a pistol-packing drug-addict who bags on his momma,
But I wanna just take this time out to be perfectly honest
Cuz there's a lot of shit I keep bottled that hurts deep inside o' my soul,
And just know that I grow colder the older I grow
This boulder on my shoulder gets heavy and harder to hold
And this load is like the weight of the world
And I think my neck is breaking should I just give up,
Or try to live up to these expectations?
Now look, I love my daughter more than life in itself,
But I got a wife that's determined to make my life livin'hell
But I handle it well, given the circumstances I'm dealt
So many chances, man, it's too bad, coulda had someone else
But the years that I've wasted are nothing to the tears that I've tasted
So here's what I'm facin':
3 felonies, 6 years of probation
I've went to jail for this woman, I've been to bat for this woman
I've taken bats to peoples backs, bent over backwards for this woman
Man, I shoulda seen it comin', why'd I stick my penis up in?
Woulda ripped the pre-nup up if I'd seen what she was fuckin'
But fuck it, it's over, there's no more reason to cry no more
I got my baby, baby the only lady that I adore, Hailie
So sayonara, try tomorra, nice to know ya
My baby's travelled back to the arms of her rightful owner
And suddenly it seems that my shoulder blades have just shifted
It's like the greatest gift you can get
The weight has been lifted
Now it don't feel like the world's on my shoulders
Everyone's leanin' on me
Cuz my baby know's that her daddy's a soldier
Nothin' can take her from me

My songs can make you cry, take you by surprise
And at the same time, make you dry your eyes with the same rhyme
See what you're seeing is a genius at work
Which to me isn't work, so it's easy to misinterpret it at first,
Cuz when i speak, it's tongue in cheek
I'd yank my fuckin teeth before id ever bite my tongue
I'd slice my gums, get struck by fuckin' lightning twice at once
And die and come back as vanilla ice's son
And walk around the rest of my life spit on
And kicked and hit with shit, every time i sung
Like R Kelly as soon as "bump n' grind" comes on
More pain inside of my brain, than the eyes of a little girl inside of a
plane
Aimed at the World Trade, standin' on Ronnie's grave,
Screaming at the sky, till clouds gather as Clyde Mathers and Bonnie Jade
And thats pretty much the gist of it,Parents are pissed, but the kids love
it
Nine millimeter, heater stashed, in two-seaters with meat cleavers
I don't blame you, i wouldn't let hailie listen to me neither

Soon as a verse starts I eat it at MC’s heart
what is he thinking? How not to go against me? Smart.
And its absurd how people hang on every word.
I’ll probably never get the props I feel I ever deserve
But I’ll never be served my spot is forever reserved
If I ever leave earth that would be the death of me first.
Cause in my heart of hearts I know nothing could ever be worse.
That’s why I’m clever when I put together every verse
My thoughts are sporadic, I act like I’m an addict
I rap like I’m addicted to smack like I’m Kim Mathers.
But I don’t want to go forth and back in constant battles
The fact is I would rather sit back and bomb some rappers.
So this is like a full blown attack I’m launching at them
The track is on some battling raps who want some static
Cause I don’t really think that the fact that I’m Slim matters
A plaque of platinum status is whack if I'm not the baddest.