I guess this is an extension of my other thread. In american music the last genre to be created was Hip Hop. That was before I was born. Since about the mid-late 90's rap has replaced rock as the highest selling genre of music in the Western World, but unlike today, the displacement of Rock was forseeable a decade earlier when NWA went multi-platinum off of Gangsta rap. Since then the money's been rolling in, but are there any new genre's that we can look to to displace rap's position in mainstream music?

PLease someone say yes, I get the feeling pop music is going to be pretty dull if theirs nothing to look forward to.

I'm not sure any one genre replaces another. Some genres become more popular than others, but everything ultimately is rehash. Disco never left, it went underground and resurfaced as dance music, or techno, or electronica, etc etc. Rock never left, it became heavy metal, then grunge, then whatever. Country and Blues have always held hands through the years, as much as blues and classic rock have, or blues and rockabilly.

Rap is dead though, really. There are a million hacks out there with theirs asses hanging out of their pants, and a sense of entitlement to what people like NWA, Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Kool Moe Dee, Public Enemy, Tupac, Biggie, and others paved and blazed a way for.

Really, if the x generation would take a hard look at the music, they'd realize it's not music at all. This isn't a rant about corporate music, it's about too many fingers in the pie. I miss the times when there was a slew of artists in a genre, but then you had those REALLY good ones, the popular ones, and the one hit wonders, and the ones who just kept going, and ended up being recognized years later for their achievements.

T-Pain, T.I., Lil Wayne, 50 Cent (what is HE now?), etc....they're all C-list at best. Young people think that's good music because no one's shown them great music. What's replaced rap? CRAP, that's what. There used to be a market for rap music. There was a place for someone who really had something to say, whether it was "Fuck The Police", "911 Is A Joke" or "U Can't Touch This". But watching some of these acts on the Grammy's and AMA's and MTV VMA's now, I'm amazed that anyone likes this stuff. I can't even begin to call it "music".

Music has changed. It's been replaced with utter nonsense. Akon can throw a 15 year old off a stage, and be forgiven for it. Chris Beat Her Down Brown can show up in public and people still want a picture with him. These are the heroes of today.

What will replace rap? Who knows; and at this point....who cares.

I can't imagine any form of music more destructive and lacking in any redeeming values than MODERN RAP (Not the gold of the 80s and early 90s). My guess are songs that openly incite people to worship the devil and crap in public. Thats what rap has been debased into

Sandino said:

Back in 1997, MTV was hoping for electronic music (called "electronica" by the news media) to be THE genre that could compete against rap/hip-hop. But that failed.

Huggiebear said:

You're definitely right about that.

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rap will envolve into crap. If there won't be a 180 degree change the music in the US will become worse and worse.

Ultimately pop music will always be there. I can see a change in the US charts with acts like Katy Perry, Lady GaGa and Coldplay being successful too!

What I hope: The US market will become more open towards different music and I don't see black.

I feel if more black artists go into non-contemporary sounds (like what Kanye's trying to do), then rap music in its current state would continue to falter, lol.

Timmy84 said:

mmh, but in the 00s what Kanye did (80s sounds) IS current. It's just a more Euopean thing.

What is iyo the "real" current sound?

graecophilos said:

Well in a way it's not what you expect someone like Kanye to do. That's what I meant by "non-contemporary". Even as "in" as '80s-styled European pop is in today's culture, it presents a new alternative to what is perceived as "urban music" in our generation.

Albums with nothing but sounds of bowel movements for 70 minutes.

That would still be musically more interesting than any contemporary rap album.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Yoko Ono sounds way better than any rap album and I'm complimenting her! She can actually make interesting music. Better that than "I need a soulja girl". GTFOOH!

Timmy84 said:

yeah, and what is urband music supposed to sound like? Imo since the Neptunes and Timbaland electro sound went into hip hop?!

graecophilos said:

Don't ask me that, I don't like what people THINK it's urban music. Urban music ain't about beats and lyrics about thug life.

Timothy, you dig Yoko?

I have 6 of her albums, lol, they are sick. just sick!

The 1980 songs are the most commercial ones, I like them all.

From the earlier ones I like Why, Don't Worry Kyoko, Mrs Lennon, the 1973 egypt album..

graecophilos said:

I heard a bit of her work with and without John. I like "Walking on Thin Ice".

Timmy84 said:

That's her most popular track, I prefer Kiss Kiss Kiss over it.

graecophilos said:

That's another track I dig.

Timmy84 said:

How about O'Sanity, and the other Milk & Honey songs?

graecophilos said:

I don't know the other songs that well but I'll see about them later on.

Timmy84 said:

I don't think they're on youtube.

I'm searching a certain song that was recorded during the Double fantasy sessiosn but was never released until 1992 on the Ono-Box but I can't find the track anywhere, its called Forgive Me (My Love)

Good question, considering that its domination is a force that has other music go beyond recognition these days.

Timmy84 said:

And that's a good thing, right?

Looks like I'm gonna have to be the bad guy here....


Nothing's is gonna replace rap/hip hop because it's not going anywhere. True, it's in a bad and confusing state with people like Soulja Boy, T Pain, and the like...BUT there are some real talents out there, they just aren't mainstream yet

Foreign Exchange
Black Spade
Drake
Brandun Deshay
Wale
Kid Cudi
PPP
Big Sean
Kero One (not a fan, but he's okay)
Blu and Exile

and many more, things are gonna change real soon, I see it pretty clearly
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bboy87 said:

Yeah the underground is gonna save rap music. It's the commercial so-called "rap" that needs to go away. It's like the commercial disco music of the late seventies that overshadow the REAL disco music, which is still around.
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I think you guys no what I mean when I said "replace rap music". I meant replace it as the popular genre in pop music. And honestly, as good as underground can be, until rap music appreciates the musical aspect and stop totally emphasizing the lyrical aspect, then those rappers will do nothing for me.

Anyway, it does seem like techno is what might conquer rap but who knows. it's easy to conquer Europe and Australia because their music isn't so heavily influenced by african rhythms and grooves, but the US market has always been influenced by african and european sounds and techno is as african as miley cyrus is beautiful

Sandino said:

Alot of underground does. I recommend the Foreign Exchange albums, those are mind blowing

I think electro is going to replace hip hop as the popular genre
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bboy87 said:

I don't know why it hasn't already but I've seen glimmers that it is replacing it.

Nothing is ever going to replace it because it is the cheapest form of music for the labels to make and get the biggest profit available. A stupid thug also can manipulated out of his full share of the profits also. If something ever did replace actual "rap" it would still have that shit hop sound with the Fisher Price sounding drum machines except it would have singing on top of it instead of rapping. The labels aren't going to let their cheap low class goose that lays the golden eggs get away from them...ever.

And as long as they, along with radio giants like Clear Channel can keep everything else out of the mainstream that might be a threat to it, they can continue to keep the next generation's taste as shitty as this younger generation's taste because they would never be exposed to anything else that is more expensive to make.
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Sandino said:

Detroit Techno (when it funky like 1980's electro/synth-funk & plenty of black artists making it!) once had that opportunity to be THE new popular genre in the USA music industry. But hip-hop/rap had that opportunity won by 1988 because it was the music of the streets, ghettos/projects, and the hoods that excited even the white teens of the suburbs in many ways that techno didn't.