I think its time to have a little.. I told You So moment.

The day MJ's new concerts were selling out and they got to 50 shows, I wrote on a topic he wouldnt do ONE show. He wouldnt show up to any of them and make some bullshit excuse..



Of course the typical truth of not having any talent, needing to lip sync every note, etc etc...

If you had 1/16th of the talent you pretend you have, you wouldnt need magic, elephants & bombs going off. So there is red flags going up everywhere that YES I was right, I have been writing this exact statement of "No talent" with examples on this very board for over 12+ years!! Now add that the guy in his last child rape trial he could barely sit in the chair because of his back and seeing him on Access Hollywood about a weeks ago greeting all the dancers and he looked like he was having some "slight" trouble walking towards them.

pssst.. There isnt going to be any concerts! Shit maybe he will squeeze out a few, but no where near 50 of them. I think when he reads all the bad reviews - we will see more and more excuses. But I'm sticking to NO CONCERTS. Will see, I actually hope he does do some, so we can put this puppy to rest that this guy has not one spec of talent! You wouldnt need to lip sync your whole tv performance career for 25+ years.. if you did.

You know on so many levels Michael Jackson & Andrew "Dice" Clay are about the same person, sure MJ has a TON more fans. But at the root they are pretty much the same! They both had a moment, they both havent left that moment - they keep repeating it & they always "try"to fool their fans that hey this is going to be new and then.... "Hickory Dickory Dock" = Moonwalk... BOOM its the same act. Nothing new.

I have seen Dice on some tv roast lately and the guy doesnt sit there with the other comics, he thinks he is "The Heavyweight Champion of Comedy" he always brings up selling out 20,000 seats at MSG, THEN he is announced for these Comedy Roast in the middle of the show of course - He starts walking out to the stage with 2 bodyguards like a boxing champ walking to the ring, they have smoke & music playing for him....

and everyone on stage - the audience thinks "Oh Here is Comes he is going to slam the guy!" .. "OMG Dice from 1990 is here!"

Then he gets up there and has NOTHING to say. He bombs! He has been milking his 1988-1991 Fame for 21 years. But everytime, even on Donald Trump's Celebrity Appentice he brings up the typical (20,000 MSG - Heavyweight Champion - Biggest Comic Ever) crap.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...wjwYhQh_pg

LOOK at his site:The Undisputed Heavyweight Comedy King is back and better than ever. And if you don't like it, then hey, F*CK YOU!!!! -Dice ...
http://www.andrewdiceclay.com

Michael Jackson does the samething! He always has a 5 minute (remember what I used to be) intro video playing - before he comes out! Its all quick cuts from concerts, selling out, crowds, countries, etc. ALL from like from 20 years ago. But everytime he is announce on some tv performance. You get all gushy with this Intro ... It' like "OMG I remember this.. yes it's Michael Jackson" - You know MICHAEL JACKSON!! Then he comes out,lip syncs and its awful.

Just like Andrew Dice Clay.

At the root of both guys they both are trying to remind you of their past - but they never do anything new. It's the same act or routine you have seen 20 years ago and usually with every "comeback" its the same type promotion with the same result. Neither guy has talent - they thought up something that some at one time thought was well interesting, but they are both not talented enough to move away from it,but both want to get their ass kissed and have the world pretend it hasn't grown past 1982 or in Dice's case 1990. Both guys are hasbeens wearing their clothes from the past! One wears a hat - glove sparkle jacket.. the other wears leather. Just anything to remind you of the past!

Sure MJ has millions and million of more fans. Dice can't fill more then Yuck Yuck's in Montana. But at the very root they are both the same person, doing the same scam on the public. 2 barely talent people who can't move past the only reason we remember them.

1990 Prime Dice Rules


Now - fat gray - bald - same kinda leather doing his "moonwalk"


Prime Motown 25



Last Time - bleached - same kinda glove - jacket doing his "hickory dickory dock"

Needing to edit 2 seperate concerts into one for tv because he isn't what he used to be.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...SZl5Vr_AO8
WATCH the Microphone go from IN his Hand to NOT.. then back to being in his hand. They even needed to edit in a "King of Pop" sign to make it work, because in one of the nights he had the mic in his hand and pretended to sing and the other he put the microphone on the mic stand. Oops!

WATCH the Microphone go from IN his Hand to NOT.. then back to being in his hand. They even needed to edit in a "King of Pop" sign to make it work, because in one of the nights he had the mic in his hand and pretended to sing and the other he put the microphone on the mic stand. Oops!

ElectricBlue said:

The point is?

whatsgoingon said:

i dont buy it. there r plenty of megastars with secret relationships. how come we dont know who blankets momma is?

cdcgold said:

The fact of the matter is during the late 70s/early 80s people did actually believe he was going out with Tatum o'neal and later on brook Shields. He was actually seen with quite a few women during this period, I am not saying these were sexual relationships but it didn't harm his image in the way hanging out with young boys did during the mid 80s and and 90s.

MJ has always been dogged by gay rumours since his teenage years and this was due to the fact he never seem to have a steady girl-friend more than anything else, not because he was NEVER linked with any women at all. But going onto the mid 80s you mainly saw him with young boys and in the long run that did more damage to him, than having any young lady on his arm even if it were for PR reasons.

Also I don't believe this crap about the reason we don't hear about his girls-friends because he is so private. Once your famous like MJ no matter how private he is if you have a long term serious girl-friend people will find out. He may keep the relationship private but that want stop people knowing that he is in a relationship. Fans are desperate to believe he had relationships with women like Tatianna and others that have come along, when there is no evidence at all.
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whatsgoingon said:

i dont buy it. there r plenty of megastars with secret relationships. how come we dont know who blankets momma is?

Evvy said:

Name me one megastar like that? and how do you know that blanket's mother wasn't just surrogate// but unlike debbie rowe he just decided not to go through a farce of a marriage.

Yeah but the thing with MJ is that he might have made his girlfriends sign confidentially agreements throughout the years, meaning that his lawyers could collect money from those ladies if they ever spoke out about the relationship openly.

All these ladies have always told the press, how Mike would be angry, if they were to openly talk about the relationship.


Just look at what that Shana girl said in the past, how she was barred about talking about details.

http://www.contactmusic.c...%20defence
[Edited 5/25/09 10:23am]

Evvy said:

Name me one megastar like that? and how do you know that blanket's mother wasn't just surrogate// but unlike debbie rowe he just decided not to go through a farce of a marriage.

Evvy said:

if janet could hide her MARRIAGE that long why couldn't mj hide a girlfriend. come on. these haters need to go somewhere with that shit

whatsgoingon said:

umm- Prince has "secret" friends- Madonna- almost all of them- they tell people not to say a word- and these "secret" friends don't say a word

I really don't understand why Michael became the way he is today The dude seemed okay during Off the Wall and Thriller, and suddenly after 1984, he loses it completely, and everything has just been going downhill ever since that point.

suga10 said:

Don't know about that. In the very few interviews he gave during his late teens and early adulthood he was already saying pretty strange stuff to his interviewers (and was already speaking about how "magical" children were etc.). He was speaking in that ridiculously high-pitched voice, which definitely wasn't that high naturally. He already had developed most of what came to characterize his persona, sans the detoriation of his looks that came later due to whatever problems he really has had.

you know, I've never understood why people go out of their ways to bash and talk shit about an artist they don't even like

I mean, making essays and long posts....not to mention NEVER seing them in other artists....other THREADS for that matter, but they always tend to show up in the same threads about that one particular artist to simply bash that artist

why waste your time like that?

but hey, do you, if that's what makes you happy.....



anyway, I'm outta here


[Edited 5/25/09 12:43pm]

The tme has come

There's absolutely nothing "gay" about the way Michael Jackson moves on stage.

He has always been one of the very few male danceers that have managed to develop a completely masculine body language when performing. One of the reasons why he became so big back in the day is that he presented a way of dancing that was far removed from the more "effeminate moves" that most professional dancers were accustomed to perform (think of West Side Story, if needed a popular example - or just compare him to Prince, who is a whole lot "gayer" dancer than Michael Jackson has ever been). His mannerisms might be more "effeminate" or "gay" in real life sometimes, but on stage, not really. You have to realize that the more make-up he started wearing and nire frillies started appearing on his promo shoots, the sharper and more aggressive his body language became at the same time.

Nice photo comparison.

you know, I've never understood why people go out of their ways to bash and talk shit about an artist they don't even like

I mean, making essays and long posts....not to mention NEVER seing them in other artists....other THREADS for that matter, but they always tend to show up in the same threads about that one particular artist to simply bash that artist

why waste your time like that?

but hey, do you, if that's what makes you happy.....



anyway, I'm outta here


[Edited 5/25/09 12:43pm]

bboy87 said:

There you go, getting all defensive and sensitive again!! Most people here ain't exactly talking crap about Michael, they are making a lot of valid points.

I use to be a much greater fan of MJ than I am now, but even when I was at my most fanatical i knew mJ had issues and it wasn't all down to the media and conspiracy. I became a fan of mj when he was stil a member of the J5 well before OTW let alone Thriller. It's more painful than anything to see this once gorgeous man who had so much talent and the world eating out of his hand to practically lose everything that made him so special.

I don't think there's anything that shouts out gay when MJ Dances. To me he's a pretty masculine dancer.

His outfits don't for the most part either- except the gold leotard over the black pants- which was a bit OTT.
[Edited 5/25/09 14:06pm]

There's absolutely nothing "gay" about the way Michael Jackson moves on stage.

He has always been one of the very few male danceers that have managed to develop a completely masculine body language when performing. One of the reasons why he became so big back in the day is that he presented a way of dancing that was far removed from the more "effeminate moves" that most professional dancers were accustomed to perform (think of West Side Story, if needed a popular example - or just compare him to Prince, who is a whole lot "gayer" dancer than Michael Jackson has ever been). His mannerisms might be more "effeminate" or "gay" in real life sometimes, but on stage, not really. You have to realize that the more make-up he started wearing and nire frillies started appearing on his promo shoots, the sharper and more aggressive his body language became at the same time.

Nice photo comparison.

suga10 said:

I think he has become a different dancer, however. As a solo act his dancing does at time come over as very Freddy Mercury at times. there is a lot more posing and grab crotching. Whereas when he was with his brothers and he was alot younger he was more of a funky dancer in a similar style to James Brown.

suga10 said:

Don't know about that. In the very few interviews he gave during his late teens and early adulthood he was already saying pretty strange stuff to his interviewers (and was already speaking about how "magical" children were etc.). He was speaking in that ridiculously high-pitched voice, which definitely wasn't that high naturally. He already had developed most of what came to characterize his persona, sans the detoriation of his looks that came later due to whatever problems he really has had.

People tend to think that Michael Jackson somehow just "got spoilt" after "Thriller", as if the handsome black young man would be an entirely different person than what he is today. But if you read the stories from back those days he hardly was your average 20-something sipping beer and hitting on chicks. Even what I've read of Bruce Swedien's stuff of his conduct in the studio in the earlier days, it certainly doesn't sound like the most normal professional singer just carrying out his professional duties. Compared to his brothers? They really weren't what Michael Jackson was, besides he always sort of wanted to be the biggest star on the planet anyway. He was already in the latter half of the 70s heading to a different direction than the rest of the famil, who were rather happy just being sort of run-of-the-mill disco performers / Vegas act or whatever.