I wouldn't go far thinking he was "straight" either. I just think he doesn't fit an identity. It's different when it comes to George. About those conversations, hopefully I can find the place where I listened to them at, it was here once upon a time.

so what did they say, who were they with?

so do you think his sexuality is repressed, and that's perhaps cause for some of his issues?

Well let's not forget, he WAS a devout Jehovah's Witness, also I think he got turned off by sexual favors, but the fact he always thought he was ten years old, he just chose to be with the company he was. I don't know if that answers your questions or not.

"Uh, hello?, Crow responded. Yeah. There was plenty of weirdness going on. For one, he barely spoke to me in 18 months, and that’s weird, because I’m fascinating, and I can’t believe that he didn’t want to speak to me. But the chimp was out on the road, and the Pepsi kid was around. It was like a weird circus. You sensed that this guy really had no sense of reality at all. It probably wasn’t even his fault. It’s so sad. He told me that his purpose on the planet was to save the children. From what, I don’t know."

Yeah, I think the whole attitude Lisa puts on in recent times about her relationship with Michael Jackson isn't entirely honest. I think she's just feels embarassed about openingly admitting it, because she's afraid the others are going to tell her WTF she was thinking all these years, so she takes the safe way out, and tries to shrug off the whole deal, by saying that, she was young and was silly in those years.

As far as Tatiana goes, no clue what happened between her and Michael Jackson. I honestly think, that if Michael really wanted her- he would have found her after all those years. They did make a good looking couple, and probably would have had cute babies.
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Michael Jackson Case Latest: Tatiana Thumbtzen Denies Affair With Star

JACKSON'S 'EX-GIRLFRIEND' ANNOUNCES AFFAIR WAS FAKE

A woman assumed to be an ex-girlfriend of MICHAEL JACKSON has declared their "affair" was completely made up for the benefit of the press.

TATIANA THUMBTZEN, who danced in Jackson's 1988 video for THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL and was the first woman to kiss him in public, admits in her forthcoming book, THE WAY HE MADE ME FEEL, that she lied to the media about having a romance with the singer in 1993 - when he first faced allegations of child molestation.
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Jackson, who's set to go to trial this month (JAN05) on separate child abuse allegations, said at the time, "I love her because she's warm, caring and exciting."

Thumbtzen once accompanied the BAD singer to the GRAMMY AWARDS and went on the road with him during his BAD tour.

Co-author TONIA RYAN says in a statement, "Here is another woman from Michael's past that people think he was romantically involved with or at least had some kind of sexual relationship with when he never did.

"Every other red-blooded male in America was after her (EDDIE MURPHY, PRINCE, ROBERT DE NIRO, MATT LeBLANC, etc) but Michael did not even go on a date with her. You do the math!"

The book, which is due out on 14 February (05), also alleges that Jackson had a fixation with child actors MACAULAY CULKIN and RICKY SCHRODER.

http://www.femalefirst.co...-2355.html

This article is untrue. Michael didn't even know MACAULAY Culkin until 1990 when home alone came out. Tatiana was on tour with michael from 87-88 until she got fired by Michael's manager at the time. Michael and her planned the kiss on stage. I'm pretty sure that management wasn't happy with her behavior so that's why she got fired. Please get your information from credible sources not tabloids...thank you very much.

Not even that long, she only did the first 3 dates

Well that's the point. Even as "well-written" as this supposedly is, I could tell the bullshit in just a few sentences. I just don't buy it 100% at all. Michael HAS been at many of the rehearsals. HELL, there were TWITTER reports saying he was there rehearsing almost every other day. So for them to say TWO is bullshit. That makes his story well-written fiction.

i'm sure if you found some new items of news that received your seal of approval that you would post them if they hadn't been posted before, but it appears that the "fans" are just avoiding any news articles and just posting replies of "bullshit" after any news article, or igoring it completely. it seems if an article has an element of truth that portrays MJ in a negative light, it's completly ignored so it slides away, and a bunch of massive photos and youtubes posted afterwards to try and hide it, instead of the articles being discussed. throughout the rest of the site, most news articles on prince would have their own thread each, with number of people commenting, good and bad

why are the "fans" so botherd about the news articles? why do they write off everything as bullshit? why are all the articles negative about MJ? why is the general consensus that MJ is sick and not in good enough healthy to do 50 shows, and he hasn't been attending rehearsals, etc, etc? why would the press print these articles? if the public didn't want to read them or didn't agree with them, they wouldn't keep on printing these stories

i think the problem with MJ is that the general public are still convinced that he is a child molestor and paedophile, and upset that he has used his resources to avoid convictions on these counts. they are unhappy that he paid off jordy chandler, and unhappy that the last case ended in farce. before these stories he was a well loved star with the public, so it just goes to show that the public don't care who it is, if you commit child abuse you should pay for it, they won't accept any excuses or give any free passes regardless of who you are, and they won't forget about this. the public know that just because someone isn't found guilty in a court of law that this doesn't mean that they didn't commit the offence. they feel he has abused his star status to abuse young boys, and abused his status to avoid the punishment. as other stars have also avoided the same type of punishment for offences that normal joe public would have received, they aren't happy with this situation at all, thus looking for "an eye for an eye". MJ's problem is that his music has declined badly since his hey day, he hasn't released anything in a long time, he hasn't performed live in a long time, thus he hasn't presented the public with anything to try and change their minds about him, the last major event they associate themselves with MJ is his child abuse case. whilst he released thriller 25, the public overlook this as he's released god knows how many greatest hits and compilation discs and sets, and that's at least the fourth release of that album, so he's milking the past for all he can instead of doing something new

on the flip side, the MJ fans are viewed as fanatical to the extreme, full of complete denial of anything negative whatsoever about MJ, and full of the greatest optimism since the world hoped for the end of the second world war. although MJ appeared on tv in an interview and admitted he sleeps with children and thinks there is nothing wrong with it, his fans don't appear to find that strange, and think he is completly innocent of any of the allegations towards him. MJ hasn't had a real serious female partner throughout his adult life, he has had a pet monkey who slept in MJ's bedroom at home and on tour, he was then involved in a major child abuse case which was settled out of court with a large pay off and he married elvis's daughter in an attempt to stop his drug addictions, but that only lasted 2 years and appeared to all but a few as a sham marriage. considering his second marraige which was also short lived, wasn't consumated, and he didn't even sleep with his wife, according to the woman herself, it strongly suggests that he isn't interested in a normal relationship with a member of the opposite sex. since his adult life, most of his themes for music and videos revolve around children, moonwalker movie, captain eo, etc. normally a young adult would experiement sexual themes based on their sexual preferences, such as madonna and prince's early work for example, or pretty much most pop music for teenagers, young stars will be seen around pretty stars of the opposite sex (even if they are gay, unless they have openely came out), but MJ, one of the biggest young stars around in the 80s, when he was seen, he was usually seen with either a monkey or children. it probably didn't sink in at the time, but i think anyone who's ever got to the stage of moving past teenager into a twenty something will tell you that hanging out with young kids at that age isn't normal or desirable, and raging hormones push you towards what you desire, usually the oppposite sex

now he is 50 years old, with hardly any adult female relationships in his life, surely he must be feeling lonely, and regardless of what he has went through, wouldn't have a problem finding a female partner, but doesn't. instead he has a relationship with children that he looks after but there is no evidence that they are his. his last wife, who is mother of two of them confirmed that she didn't have sex with him and doesn't know who the sperm donor is, and we don't have any evidence or suggestion as to who the mother of the third child is. this all points towards him having no desire for females or adults, and instead has an unhealthy obsession with children. these unusual lifestyle choices don't do him any favours in appealing to the public

perhaps you can now understand why some people have an issue towards MJ, and why fans aren't taken seriously and considered loonies. MJ doesn't do anything to try and change that opinion, and neither do most fans, which in turn doesn't help MJ's case, as it just gives the impression that he is weird and out of touch with reality, and followed by fanatics who are similarly weird and out of touch

as this isn't an MJ site, you would have thought it would be a good place to discuss MJ objectively and seriously, and not bother about the inevitable jokes and digs, but instead the fans appear to fit in with the stereotype i've mentioned that describes his fans in general, which only seems to highlight that MJ fans are over biased and unrealistic in thier observations and statements. this isn't a debate, it's a discussion, so it's not an arguement between two sides, with both sides looking for a win, so instead of blindly defending any negative comment towards MJ, regardless of the truth, perhaps if a more open and honest manner was taken, the fans might be accepted and respected a bit more, instead of coming across like a radical muslim that fails to understand how ridiculous they sound

thoughout this site, people discuss prince without bias, and with various points of view coming across, no-one tries to defend him, and we find the facts and all sorts of other interesting views. wouldn't it be great if we could discuss MJ in the same way? that's what i would have expected from an MJ thread on prince.org. i would expect blind adulation of MJ on an MJ site instead, i'm sure they would appreciate it there

Yeah, I think the whole attitude Lisa puts on in recent times about her relationship with Michael Jackson isn't entirely honest. I think she's just feels embarassed about openingly admitting it, because she's afraid the others are going to tell her WTF she was thinking all these years, so she takes the safe way out, and tries to shrug off the whole deal, by saying that, she was young and was silly in those years.

As far as Tatiana goes, no clue what happened between her and Michael Jackson. I honestly think, that if Michael really wanted her- he would have found her after all those years. They did make a good looking couple, and probably would have had cute babies.
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I've heard stories about ladies out there who claimed to have had relationships with Michael, but they're aren't allowed to talk to the press or tell the details of the relationship b/c they've signed confidentiality agreements.

Now its beyond me why anyone would make someone sign a confidentiality agreement forbidding them to talk about a relationship openly in the press.

You would think that with Mike, he would want to be seen as being a normal guy with healthy relationship in the eyes of the press and the public, but I find it very strange that he wants to be as secretive about his personal relationships as much as possible, so no one knows anything.

It really does not make any sense whatsoever.


Did you hear what Sheryl Crow said about him: She was also rumored to be in a relationship with him during the Bad Tour.

http://popdirt.com/sheryl...ess/25914/

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he would probably want some privacy about his love life

For a guy whose life and personality has been dissected by the world, he would probably want some privacy about his love life


Timmy, you got that link to that Stephanie Mills interview that was posted on KOP the other day?

And that's why people are going to keep dissing on him and call him a pedo,because they think that its not normal for a man to be single at 50 years old, and at the same time have a history of child abuse accusations behind him. By keeping all this privacy about who's he's in love with, he doesn't help himself out. Yes as the public, we don't need to know the inner details of what goes on in a relationship, but there is no harm in showing the world that you have a girlfriend- if you know what I'm saying. Now I know that he was open about Lisa-Marie in the past, but to me, it was all done in a very bad timing- b/c their relationship came into public knowledge just after the 1993 allegations, so people found that a bit weird- that suddenly Jackson all of a sudden fell in love with some girl out of nowhere. It was very bad-timing.
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but seriously if he did show he had a girl friend people ( and I'm including the haters on this site) would just say its for publicity anyway so whats the points the guy can't win for losing.

Lisa marie presly admitted that they "did it" in an interview and she really had nothing to gain from saying that, and i remember in the interview she seemed embaraased if anything to admit that