suga10 said:

It's the Daily Mail. Doesn't that ring any bells?

Timmy84 said:

Not for someone who hasn't followed Michael Jackson news long enough to know that
[Edited 5/22/09 16:29pm]

suga10 said:

But you still posted it, lol...

Because the way it was written sounded so believable.

There are certain articles I can tell sound absolutely bullshit immediately- like the Madonna one and the Examiner one.

And then they're are certain articles which are written in such a way- that you can't tell if its true or not- like this one

I guess it all comes down to how well you can write believablely and The National Examiner article writer just sucks Maybe the DailyMail writer is a gifted writer.
[Edited 5/22/09 16:35pm]

Timmy84 said:

some fans still can't distinguish between a reliable article and a bullshit article ..lol, from the first two lines i can tell its a total BS.

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suga10 said:

Well that's the point. Even as "well-written" as this supposedly is, I could tell the bullshit in just a few sentences. I just don't buy it 100% at all. Michael HAS been at many of the rehearsals. HELL, there were TWITTER reports saying he was there rehearsing almost every other day. So for them to say TWO is bullshit. That makes his story well-written fiction.

bboy87 said:

The first one is cute.

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MCP said:

Patrick ( Patsy to his friends) is a very agressive and troubled young man...don't take any of his insults to heart.
[Edited 5/22/09 16:39pm]

Timmy84 said:

But you have to realize that with Michael Jackson you never know whats true and what's not.

You remember how he didn't do so great in the 2001 MSG concerts- because of being hooked on painkillers? It was a very sloppy concert and he looked unprepared and was doing so much impromptu with the dance moves at times.
[Edited 5/22/09 16:44pm]

suga10 said:

Do you know WHY people say things about him? He's PRIVATE. He don't let you know SHIT. Same with Diana Ross and some other folks. They don't let anyone close to them. So what do they do? They find people who don't know Michael from Adam and make up shit just so they can write their stories.

eireboy34 said:

troubled young man? I don't see patrick coming CONTINOUSLY into other people threads attacking them and making them feel bad about their taste ,I think you should figure out yourself who's the troubled one.

midnightmover said:

First off I'm not posing as an objective observer, I have clearly stated I am a a fan of Mj's but that doesn't automatically exclude me from being objective. I have tried to always present my point of view with fact and you will see posts where I have been critical of the way things have been handled. Just because I may not agree with you doesn't make me wrong. Feel free to orgnote me on where I have stated anything you feel as being mistrue or as you say delusional and I will be happy to review and discuss with you.

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Swa said:

That's exactly the kind of delusion I'm talking about. MJ fans always blame organizers and managers for anything that goes wrong, rather than spotting the writing on the wall. Michael is flaky. That's why there is always chaos around him. It's this blindness that is the hallmark of all MJ fanatics.

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Swa said:

Of course MJ is full of faults too, but stop saying that MJ fanatics are the only ones that behave that way.

All fanatics are devoted their artists- it doesn't apply to just Michael's fans. Every major star has their share of devoted fans who will defend their artists.

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midnightmover said:

This website provides ample proof that MJ fans are a breed apart. The way they constantly cover their eyes and don't even realize they're doing it is truly scary. They don't have a monopoly on delusion but they certainly are large shareholders.

@ the mess this thread has become!

Timmy84 said:

you have to be pretty crazy to accept anonymous twitter accounts from people you don't know and have no proof that they say who they are

i could setup a twitter account now and say i was a dancer and just make up and post a load of crap. would you believe that, or is it another case of selective acceptance?

you say the article is bullshit, but how about addressing the points individually and explaining in detail why you think they are bullshit, with some supporting evidence? the evidence that's going around points to being some kind of problems, shows are being cancelled - sorry "postponed", MJ is making multiple hospital appearances and the news outlets are full of negative stories and little to none with anything positive. why would that be then?

carlcranshaw said:

all we know right now is that Michael Bearden is the musical director and LaRae Gainey is one of the backing vocalists for the shows and album

carlcranshaw said:

exactly, it's a pop concert, the music is the most important part, dancers are just the irrelevant frills. instead of showing clips of MJ turning up at a dance rehearsal, and notably not showing him dance for one second, they could have shown a 2 second clip of him rehearsing with the band to show people that he can still sing the songs

i imagine if i left it at that, someone would say they don't normally show that stuff before concerts for other artists, but they don't normally show clips of the dance rehearsals either, mind most other artists don't have and certainly don't need dancers, so why show the dancing instead of the music? does he actually have a band, and what's the fucking secret? normally when you go to see a band you know who is going to play the instruments

looking at who is involved with the production is very dissapointing tho, as they have people involved in the type of productions where the music comes very much after everything else, such as madonna and janet jackson, instead of getting someone that's used to working with proper bands, and by that i mean bands that have formed themselves and created their own music, instead of essentaily a goup of musicians for hire that play what they are told to play, that's the problem with madonnas shows for example, and why prince excels so well in concert, due to rehearsing, jamming, and emphasis on playing music instead of following a program and being a backing player. if artists like madonna and MJ jammed and rehearsed with the band and got rid of dance routines and allowed the music to grow in concert it would be a far better experience. when these acts have the long extended "jam" sessions onstage it's excruciatingly embarrassing and a very cringeworthy moment as you know the "jam" has been rehearsed to hell and back in the same way as the rest of the show, and it's just annoying when they waste 10 minutes "jamming" instead of playing one or two other songs

bboy87 said:

i'm sure if you found some new items of news that received your seal of approval that you would post them if they hadn't been posted before, but it appears that the "fans" are just avoiding any news articles and just posting replies of "bullshit" after any news article, or igoring it completely. it seems if an article has an element of truth that portrays MJ in a negative light, it's completly ignored so it slides away, and a bunch of massive photos and youtubes posted afterwards to try and hide it, instead of the articles being discussed. throughout the rest of the site, most news articles on prince would have their own thread each, with number of people commenting, good and bad

why are the "fans" so botherd about the news articles? why do they write off everything as bullshit? why are all the articles negative about MJ? why is the general consensus that MJ is sick and not in good enough healthy to do 50 shows, and he hasn't been attending rehearsals, etc, etc? why would the press print these articles? if the public didn't want to read them or didn't agree with them, they wouldn't keep on printing these stories

i think the problem with MJ is that the general public are still convinced that he is a child molestor and paedophile, and upset that he has used his resources to avoid convictions on these counts. they are unhappy that he paid off jordy chandler, and unhappy that the last case ended in farce. before these stories he was a well loved star with the public, so it just goes to show that the public don't care who it is, if you commit child abuse you should pay for it, they won't accept any excuses or give any free passes regardless of who you are, and they won't forget about this. the public know that just because someone isn't found guilty in a court of law that this doesn't mean that they didn't commit the offence. they feel he has abused his star status to abuse young boys, and abused his status to avoid the punishment. as other stars have also avoided the same type of punishment for offences that normal joe public would have received, they aren't happy with this situation at all, thus looking for "an eye for an eye". MJ's problem is that his music has declined badly since his hey day, he hasn't released anything in a long time, he hasn't performed live in a long time, thus he hasn't presented the public with anything to try and change their minds about him, the last major event they associate themselves with MJ is his child abuse case. whilst he released thriller 25, the public overlook this as he's released god knows how many greatest hits and compilation discs and sets, and that's at least the fourth release of that album, so he's milking the past for all he can instead of doing something new

on the flip side, the MJ fans are viewed as fanatical to the extreme, full of complete denial of anything negative whatsoever about MJ, and full of the greatest optimism since the world hoped for the end of the second world war. although MJ appeared on tv in an interview and admitted he sleeps with children and thinks there is nothing wrong with it, his fans don't appear to find that strange, and think he is completly innocent of any of the allegations towards him. MJ hasn't had a real serious female partner throughout his adult life, he has had a pet monkey who slept in MJ's bedroom at home and on tour, he was then involved in a major child abuse case which was settled out of court with a large pay off and he married elvis's daughter in an attempt to stop his drug addictions, but that only lasted 2 years and appeared to all but a few as a sham marriage. considering his second marraige which was also short lived, wasn't consumated, and he didn't even sleep with his wife, according to the woman herself, it strongly suggests that he isn't interested in a normal relationship with a member of the opposite sex. since his adult life, most of his themes for music and videos revolve around children, moonwalker movie, captain eo, etc. normally a young adult would experiement sexual themes based on their sexual preferences, such as madonna and prince's early work for example, or pretty much most pop music for teenagers, young stars will be seen around pretty stars of the opposite sex (even if they are gay, unless they have openely came out), but MJ, one of the biggest young stars around in the 80s, when he was seen, he was usually seen with either a monkey or children. it probably didn't sink in at the time, but i think anyone who's ever got to the stage of moving past teenager into a twenty something will tell you that hanging out with young kids at that age isn't normal or desirable, and raging hormones push you towards what you desire, usually the oppposite sex

now he is 50 years old, with hardly any adult female relationships in his life, surely he must be feeling lonely, and regardless of what he has went through, wouldn't have a problem finding a female partner, but doesn't. instead he has a relationship with children that he looks after but there is no evidence that they are his. his last wife, who is mother of two of them confirmed that she didn't have sex with him and doesn't know who the sperm donor is, and we don't have any evidence or suggestion as to who the mother of the third child is. this all points towards him having no desire for females or adults, and instead has an unhealthy obsession with children. these unusual lifestyle choices don't do him any favours in appealing to the public

perhaps you can now understand why some people have an issue towards MJ, and why fans aren't taken seriously and considered loonies. MJ doesn't do anything to try and change that opinion, and neither do most fans, which in turn doesn't help MJ's case, as it just gives the impression that he is weird and out of touch with reality, and followed by fanatics who are similarly weird and out of touch

as this isn't an MJ site, you would have thought it would be a good place to discuss MJ objectively and seriously, and not bother about the inevitable jokes and digs, but instead the fans appear to fit in with the stereotype i've mentioned that describes his fans in general, which only seems to highlight that MJ fans are over biased and unrealistic in thier observations and statements. this isn't a debate, it's a discussion, so it's not an arguement between two sides, with both sides looking for a win, so instead of blindly defending any negative comment towards MJ, regardless of the truth, perhaps if a more open and honest manner was taken, the fans might be accepted and respected a bit more, instead of coming across like a radical muslim that fails to understand how ridiculous they sound

thoughout this site, people discuss prince without bias, and with various points of view coming across, no-one tries to defend him, and we find the facts and all sorts of other interesting views. wouldn't it be great if we could discuss MJ in the same way? that's what i would have expected from an MJ thread on prince.org. i would expect blind adulation of MJ on an MJ site instead, i'm sure they would appreciate it there

bboy87 said:

Is LaRae the same one that made those wild posts about "wow, can't believe I just rehearsed with THE Michael Jackson, *****!"

As for me being crazy about Twitter reports, well to me it's the lesser of two evils. Everybody has a decline but I just think many of the stories posted here are just exaggerated, it's just my opinion.

unique said:

thank you for your long winded posts.

Timmy84 said:

It doesn't matter...anything you disagree with midnight mover on makes you an idiot and loon in his eyes.
[Edited 5/23/09 1:20am]

CandaceS said:

I know!

suga10 said:

where did u find this?