^ I know right? People gettin too emotional over other people's opinions



Mr. Jefferson says: "That's Ignorant!"

Whats your point? what do you want ? and whats your problem? Do you want me to groun and moun and start to cry because MJ shifted some shows only five days, what do you want exactly ? or you want me to attack and insult mj to death, I think you wouldn't have any porblem if i did this..lol

they have been postponded,Its not the end of the world.
[Edited 5/21/09 6:34am]

I might want you to "moun and groun" if I knew what this meant.....

Great! And what happened in the other thread that someone felt it necessary to delete it??

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Wow! This really sums up the MJ fan. You are being dishonest, but you don't even realize it. [Snip - luv4u]

The reason that thread was shut down was because YOU went bat-shit crazy simply because I said Mike was scared to perform. If you are so deluded that you think it was ME who got that thread shut down, then I suggest you ask some of the other orgers who were present for their perspective. I warn, you will not like the answers they give you.

What you could saying about Michael could be right or not. It's very possible that it's true. We agree to disagree...that's fine. It's the fact that you generalize every mj fan and insult their intelligence...that's what I have a problem with. I know the thread got taken down because I went off on you. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion or debate but the fact you insult other's intelligence that don't agree with your opinion is unacceptable. And don't talk down to me, I am not a child. I'm not responding to you anymore because you repeatly insult other's intelligence when they disagree with you when it comes to MJ.

What you could saying about Michael could be right or not. It's very possible that it's true. We agree to disagree...that's fine. It's the fact that you generalize every mj fan and insult their intelligence...that's what I have a problem with. I know the thread got taken down because I went off on you. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion or debate but the fact you insult other's intelligence that don't agree with your opinion is unacceptable. And don't talk down to me, I am not a child. I'm not responding to you anymore because you repeatly insult other's intelligence when they disagree with you when it comes to MJ.

Dude, I had not insulted you or anyone on that thread. I only made one post which didn't mention anyone other than Michael. There was no excuse for your insane outbursts. You only confirmed the worst stereotypes about MJ fans. And the fact that you tried to say it was ME who got the thread shut down speaks volumes about your slipperiness. And please do not ask to be treated like a grown-up when you behave like such a brat. Like your idol, you need to take a look at the man in the mirror. Your problem lies right there.

LOL, according to you , All mj fans are stupid and loons,there is just something wrong with you when it comes to MJ, I respect your opinion on non-mj topics,I think you does have a brain but you obviously don't know when to use it.
[Edited 5/21/09 13:21pm]

right, preach it gurl!

Dude, I had not insulted you or anyone on that thread. I only made one post which didn't mention anyone other than Michael. There was no excuse for your insane outbursts. You only confirmed the worst stereotypes about MJ fans. And the fact that you tried to say it was ME who got the thread shut down speaks volumes about your slipperiness. And please do not ask to be treated like a grown-up when you behave like such a brat. Like your idol, you need to take a look at the man in the mirror. Your problem lies right there.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

Bootylicious, I want you to calm down, no need to insult and flame each other, don't respond to an insult with an insult, thats not nice

and randy phillips was one of the AEG guys named by prince in march for the shit sound during the LA shows, now he's one of the guys in charge of this fiasco. it sounds like he couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

two things spring to mind, either those in charge are professionally incompetant not to be able to organise this properly, particularly considering that the shows were due to start in six weeks, and the delay of the first show is only 4 days. what the fuck could possibly be such a problem that can't be sorted in six weeks, but needs exactly four more days on top of those six weeks to fix? i've never heard anything so fucking ridiculous in my life. if it's all about the benjamins, surely they could make some concessions for the first show. all they need is for MJ to turn up and sing some fucking songs, or mime them if he can't do that. he can use teleprompts if he can't remember the lyrics, or just mime and stick his hand over his mouth like he did on previous tours. if he hasn't remembered the dance routines he can just stand still or do something impromtu. surely the backing dancers and band don't need an extra 4 days, so they could wing it and cover for everything else. if it's lights or some physical element of the stage that needs done, they can work a bit of overtime. surely they can squeeze 96 extra hours of work into six weeks?

it sounds like it's an excuse for something else, as i really can't believe that one of the largest concert promoters in the entire world, plus all the other "top rated" producers that are involved can't pull this off with the six weeks to go, but can do it with only another 4 days? i can't understand if MJ doesn't feel he will be ready in 6 weeks, that he thinks he will be ready with another 4 days. based on the concert itinery, he could wing the first gig, keep on doing whatever they need to do for the extra 4 days and be ready properly for the second gig, or the third gig. those seeing him on the first show will be so fucking pleased to see him he could turn up on stage in a bin liner with his back to the stage and just play his cd and they would be happy, so they wouldn't notice if the first show wasn't 100% ready

does no-one else think how strange that seems?

it stinks of a coverup to me, particularly considering all the other news reports regarding his health, or about him only attending two rehearsals. if that's true, then what the fuck else has he been doing with his time? going shopping for toys and ugly antiques that he can't afford to pay for unless he starts working again. whilst most of the stories are probably a load of crap, there's usually no smoke without a fire, and from someone who reads a lot of celebrity gossip, whilst there is a fair dash of bullshit, you can usually get to the truth within time, and it's usually the same group of people finding out the gossip and reporting it, so if only half of it is true, you have to consider that perhaps half of what is reported in the tabloids is also true, maybe not exactly how the media reports it, so he may not have skin problem, two missing legs and the elephant mans replacement lung, but maybe he does have health related issues that are causing a problem, and due to AEG being refused insurance past the initial 10 shows, 4 of which are now postponed, AEG could be shitting themselves that they are going to be faced with making a tremendous loss if this doesn't come through for them, so they are doing whatever they can to cover up the real story so they don't suffer so badly

AEG are well known for particularly dodgy practices, and i mentioned a few weeks ago how they held back a large number of unsold tickets to the shows, so it sounds to me that "production issues" is just a plain lie to hide the real problem, which is the star of the show himself. whether it's physical health problems, like his back, his skin, his face, his lung, or simply old age, or mental problems, perhaps as simple as a phobia or hangup about appearing back on stage again after so long, the only real reason the show couldn't be organised in the original time frame is down to one person, and his health issues appear to stand out as the reason for this. it has been mentioned that he is stressed out over the recent lawsuit stories, so there are numerous stories about his physical and mental health, and he's been seen numerous times in hospital/doctors buildings, not a place someone would go for fun, and he tried to delay his court appearances a few years ago by claiming ill health, or was he lying about that, and now he genuinely is ill, but is now lying to saw he is fine? or has AEG to lie for him this time?

or does anyone have a better explanation?

Wow, you sure are long winded.

i'm not quite sure what your point is

what is interesting, is i see people making posts that are replied with comments such as "bullshit" etc, which is fair enough as they usually have another extreme view from the MJ fanatics, and stretch the boundaries of truth a little, to say the least, but the main point being that they have a different viewpoint from the MJ fanatics, and i say fanatic as fan is short for fanatic, and i would say i am fanatical about some things, thus there is no shame in being fanatical about things that you feel that way about

but i note that when i raise several points for discussion, which are based on well thought out and factually backed issues, they are ignored usually, which can only lead me to believe that i'm getting close to a truth that the fanatics know is correct, but don't wish to accept

interestingly, after i post various points, further evidence appears to back up my points, yet still the fanatics overlook these

thus i ask again, from my earlier post, could you please give me your comments on the issues i've raised, as i'm interested in hearing your point of view, and likewise the other fanatics who post here

it seems to me that this "tour" or string of concerts is as i've mentioned before, not something that MJ has a real interest in doing, if he has any interest at all, and it's simply something he's been forced into accepting for financial reasons, and something that ultimately looks like is not going to happen in the end

it sounds like this is something that randy phillips has persuaded AEG to press ahead with, which MJ has no interest or inclination of fulfilling

and from the outset, i've put across several thought out points which has directed towards this, which have came under disbelief and denial from fanatics, yet the simple facts that have came to light later have strengthened these points, and it looks even less likely now that the concerts will go ahead as planned, or i should perhaps now say tha as the concerts won't go ahead as planned due to rescheduling, that they won't go ahead as per the new schedule

MJ has effectively assfucked his biggest fanatics and shit in thier mouths with his, or is it AEG's? rescheduling, so maybe some of the fanatics will finally open thier eyes to this and wake up and smell the coffee, and get around to discussing things in a realistic manner, instead of a farsically optimistic way that's more appropriate for those detained for mental health reasons

wouldn't it be nice to disuss MJ in an honest and realistic manner without the stupid fanatical bias? we discuss prince 24/7/365 in that manner,and this is a prince site, full of his fans, so why can't we discuss other artists without bias? if you want to discuss MJ in a biased manner full of optimism and without any negative comments, then i'm sure most MJ sites will welcome you with a can of jesus juice and a warm bed, but it's ridiculous to expect that sort of behaviour here

can't we jsut discuss MJ in an open and honest and unbiased manner, just like any other subject is discussed on this site?

and don't forget, i want you all to comment honestly and openly on the points i made in my original post, rathe than comment on this post, please don't skate around the issue, answer that and then answer this, one thing first, and onc we start to get on the same page we can maybe start to get into more interesting discussions on topics i've been dying to get to, regarding the music, and not the superficial