Latoya was so beautiful.

Since people are talking about different topics about Michael. I wanna talk about thriller. I personally think that thriller was the best and at the same time the worst thing that ever happened to michael. I think the album is good but very overrated. His best album in my opinion and I'm sure a lot of fans/music critics agree with me is Off the Wall. That album is brillant. I can listen to it all the way through. I feel that off the wall should of gotten the awards the thriller did. Don't get me wrong, i think thriller is a good album. He did some great things with that era...the music video, dance rountines and taking pop culture to another level. I just think if he hadn't of done the moonwalk at the motown 25 and thriller video, I don't think he would of been as crazy mega huge as he is. The album sold a lot of copies...just because an artist sells a lot of records with one album doesn't mean it's their best album...for example, Britney's debut cd sold 20 million copies but I think Blackout is her best cd. He will always been compared to thriller and that it won't sell as much then thriller, it must be a bad album. No offense to some of the people in here, I think that many people who became fans with thriller, who were in their teens or older,never heard of him before thriller and just became fans because that was hot at the moment and what the media was hyping up. I think that Michael was over exposed in the era as well. It's just they always talk about thriller like he randomly appeared, made thriller, and that was it. They don't talk or appreciate any work before thriller or talk about the records he broke/good music he broke after thriller. What do u think?
[Edited 5/19/09 23:22pm]

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Thriller made and broke Michael. It gave him everything he wanted, the acclaim, the respect, the touch point in history. Was it his best work - the debate will continue endlessly. For some it wasn't as good as OTW, others not as good as Dangerous, etc. But it also put him in a no win situation. Never again would such a moment collide where music and vision so forcefully met beaming his art around the world. And the sales, man those sales figures were and still are untouchable. And as you say, everything afterwards would be deemed a failure - like selling 28 million, 16 million, even 9 million was a failure.

Thriller put Michael in a league of his own. The bar was raised so high, no matter how well he did he would never outshine it. And I think part of him has Thriller on his back, and conciously or subconsciously he has tried to tap into the success of it.

However, some of the focus on Thriller is understandable. Pop it on and the majority of songs still sound fresh and relevant. The album still holds up. And it changed the game for the industry in terms of what an album could contain, how many singles an album could hold, and what could be played on radio stations. It crossed musical divides, ages, tastes and introduced a lot of people to a new style of music and a whole new raft of artists.

Whether it was his best, is open to personal taste. But there is no denying it's impact, its importance and its legacy in inspiring generations of artists.

Hopefully though, it is not the be all and end all of musical discussion around Michael.

Swa

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I agree that 'Off The Wall' is his best album.It's a better,funkier album than 'Thriller'.I like the fact that it's mostly geared to the dancefloor.The first five songs are dance music classics.

Looks like 3 of the first 4 dates have been postponed to next year. Who would have expected that? Ha ha ha...

Jackson delays opening tour dates
Breaking news

Pop star Michael Jackson has delayed the opening four nights of his UK tour.

The BBC understands the gigs have been delayed because of the singer needs more time to rehearse.

The opening night has been pushed back to 13 July and three other dates have been scheduled for March 2010.

In an email to ticketholders, Ticketmaster said: "We wanted to ensure that all of Michael's fans attending the concerts get the same quality in staging and level of entertainment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...060282.stm

unique said:

uh oh. here we go....

Great answer..I agree completely.

skywalker said:

Hope this isn't the start of things to come

Lisa

newpowerhippies said:

yeah...and it seems a bit fishy...what's gonna change in 5 days?

I will be surprised if he performs at all. I can see him doing maybe 1-2 shows, but that will be about it. He just doesn't have it in im anymore IMO. I hope I'm wrong for his fans sake.

He's actually only contracted to perform for 13 minutes. Some of the concert will be performed by a double! I can't say where my source comes from.

Jackson postpones opening four nights

Wednesday, May 20 2009, 19:21 BST

By David Balls, Music Reporter
Jackson postpones opening four nights

WENN

Michael Jackson has postponed the opening of his 'This Is It' London O2 arena residency by four days.

The tour will now begin on July 13 because the 'Thriller' star needs more time to rehearse, concert promoters AEG confirmed. Three further dates have been moved back to March 2010.

"This show has grown in size and scope, thereby necessitating more lead time for manufacture of the set, programming the content for the massive video elements, and, most importantly, more time for full production and dress rehearsals," Randy Phillips, President of AEG Live said in a statement.

"As much as we agonised over this change in the original schedule, we are sure the fans will understand when they experience the level of entertainment Michael Jackson intends to deliver."

In an email sent to ticket holders for the rescheduled dates, the show organisers apologised for the unexpected changes.

"We wanted to ensure that all of Michael's fans attending the concerts get the same quality in staging and level of entertainment," they explained.

"It is AEG Live's sincere hope that those lucky enough to have purchased tickets will have enough time to change their personal schedules and travel plans if they are coming from outside of London."

Full refunds are being offered to fans who cannot make the rearranged concerts.

750,000 tickets were sold for the 50-date residency, which went on sale in March.


http://www.digitalspy.co....ights.html
[Edited 5/20/09 12:48pm]

Jacko Postpones Concert Dates!!!!!
Filed under: Exclusives! > Anglophilia > Michael Jackson



Ugh, we knew it was too good to be true!!!!

The dramz with Wacko Jacko's comeback has already started!

Ticketholders for the July 8th, 10th, 12th and 14th shows at the O2 arena were informed today, via e-mail, that the shows have been postponed!!

The July 8th date will take place only a few days later on July 13th.

But the others????

Postponed until March 2010!!!!

The e-mail blast read:

Dear Customer

This afternoon Michael Jackson producers will be announcing the rescheduling and change of the opening shows in order to meet the challenges presented by such a large and technically complex concert.

Please allow us to apologise. It was not an easy decision to change the schedule but in the end we wanted to ensure that all of Michael's fans attending the concerts get the same quality in staging and level of entertainment.

We are writing to let you know that the 10th July concert that you purchased tickets for at the O2 arena has now been rescheduled for 1st March 2010. The tickets you receive will be printed with the rescheduled date and you will have the same seat originally purchased. You do not have to do anything as you will be automatically allocated the same seats and moved to the revised date.

We understand the inconvenience this may have caused and for this reason we have secured some excellent hotel deals for Michael Jackson fans travelling to London on these rescheduled dates. Please contact our official travel package provider Thomsonexperience at customerservice@thomsonexperience.com or call on +44 (0)20 74621563 for discounted deals on hotel beds in London. We can offer a 10% discount on all hotel bookings. Quote 'Michael Jackson rescheduled dates' in order to claim the offer.

If you cannot attend the revised date and want a full refund including booking fee, please contact us at Michaeljackson@Ticketmaster.co.uk or via our Michael Jackson Support line on 0844 277 9982.

Tickets will be dispatched closer to the event date.

Thank you for your understanding. Michael, who is directly involved with all aspects of the styling/choreography/band selection and rehearsals, is working around the clock to ensure this is the show to end all shows! We look forward to seeing you on 1st March 2010.

Regards

Ticketmaster - sent on behalf of AEG Live

The rescheduled dates, according to AEG Live, are:

8th July will take place on 13th July 2009
10th July will be moved to 1st March 2010
12th July will be moved to 3rd March 2010
14th July will be moved to 6th March 2010

WTF?????

Those poor Jacko fans traveling from abroad!!!

They're royally screwed!

The "large and technically complex concert" better be worth the trouble!!


http://perezhilton.com/20...cert-dates

maybe if he didn't dick around in toyshops and buying crap he doesn't need and just got down to preparing for the shows he wouldn't end up royally fucking off his biggest fantatics who bought tickets for the first shows, booked hotels, travel, etc

in the entire history of live concerts, i honestly can't think of any other artist who has organised a tour or major event and then cancelled or "rescheduled" shows in this way

i think this serves to highlight just how unprofessional that MJ and his entire organisation is. AEG should have kicked his ass into getting those shows ready as per contract. it really sounds like something is rotten in denmark if AEG let him away with this. i think it won't be long until the whole shooting match is called off. all he has to do is turn up on stage with a band and sing some fucking songs, or mime them to a backing tape, as that's all his fans expect him to do, he doesn't need moses and his elephants and paul daniels fucking about on stage, and with the money at stake, any bullshit about delaying for such a short period of time to get things ready just doesn't wash with anyone with half a fucking brain cell, they obviously really think his fans are a bunch of retards if they think they can get away with this shit. what difference is 5 days delay really going to make at this stage?

i think the odds of this turning into the biggest farce in modern pop history have just went through the roof. this is it? it is shit more like

why are you so mad, Unique? U had tickets?

carlcranshaw said:

exactly, that's what he should be doing, just turn up and sing the fucking songs, no tired dance moves, no stupid dancers, no fucking elephants, no mimimg, just a band that can play songs the way they should sound, and a dude in front of a microphone singing live, regardless of if he sounds shit or not. i saw brian wilson live and his band were great, he sounded like shit, but no-one cared, as it was like the greatest beach boys and brian wilson tribute band, only fronted by a shit singer who just so happened to have been the key member of the original band. do the same thing here and all the fanatics will be peeing themselves in joy and he might get some credit for doing the job that people expect from a singer. elvis was a shit vocalist, he was fucked up on drugs and burgers in vegas, but the shows were enjoyable and fun, the band could play, he could barely open his fucking eyes, but fat elvis in vegas became a historic phenemenon, he ditched the past and pulled on the flared jumpsuit and reinvented himself for his matured audience. he recognised that his audience weren't teenagers anymore, MJ needs to do the same. sane adults don't want to watch paul daniels pull an alephant from jacko's nose whilst he moonwalks to billy jean, they just want to hear him sing the damn song, and the adults will surely outnumber the looney tune fanatics, so play what the people want, not some deluded fantasy of what someone who doesn't even follow the news or any other conventions of society thinks they way

Wasn't Raymone Bain talking to Geraldo awhile back, and saying that this whole tour was a scam, and that Dr. Tohme is a scam artist who has a hidden agenda to achieve something for his own interests. Raymone kept saying that Jackson had been brainwashed by Tohme as well.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

i'm not mad at all. i knew this shit was going to happen, which is why i didn't get tickets. they didn't even sell out the shows, they have a huge number kept aside, which i mentioned some time ago but the doubters didn't believe me. my plan was to pick up a ticket, probably free, the next time i'm in london around show time. there was no fucking way on earth i would have made a trip to london just to see him, this is exactly what i expected to happen, shows getting cancelled before the tour even starts. it's just the kind of farce you expect from someone who lives on a different planet from the rest of us, and it shows AEG are up to the usual tricks again, pissing off and conning customers, with ticketbastard to hide behind taking the flack

suga10 said:

he sounds like another eugene landy. it's funny how some of the biggest acts get pulled in and scammed by some of the biggest con merchants, from elvis to the stones

unique said:

Well I do remember Raymone also saying that MJ had not even hired dancers and stuff, and was totally unprepared.

I feel like her comments might actually be coming true.

Lets face it. Michael Jackson today is just not the Michael Jackson from back in the day. His priorities have obviously changed.
[Edited 5/20/09 13:24pm]

suga10 said:

LOL, you didn't see the auditions of the dancers selected
Raymone is just mad that she is not part of the plan anymore,if she wants eveything to settle peacefully with MJ then she needs to shut the fuck up and set somewhere.

bad management that's what it is. He should of stuck with frank dileo/his father...he did the best with them. I think all of the managers that he had after them didn't have his best interest at heart and were just there for money because Michael was massive commercial sucess in the eigthies.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I bet Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega probably don't have his best interests at heart either. Neither Tomhe.

I wonder if Randy knew about Kenny's schedule before announcing him as the tour director.

Whilst the announcement isn't great - and I am sure a lot of fans who paid good money to be there opening night will be pissed, and rightfully so.

But to now say the whole series is going to be cancelled is just usual flaming.

Look I will be the first person on here to have a go if the tour doesn't go ahead (and yes I have tickets for it), I just expect that those being overly and obviously negative (critical I get but just negative I don't) will also get on here when the shows go on.

As for still buying into rumours of 13 minute shows, body doubles, clone machines, menagerie of birds, and elephants, come on now.

Swa

I think things will work out in the long run. It's a mess but hopefully people who bought tickets for those shows will be compensated in the end.