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Printablewhatsgoingon said: Swa said: All this talk about Vitiligo or skin bleaching - I think it's funny that people are willing to jump to the extreme conclusion that he bleached his skin (and to do the whole body now - really???) and not to the possibility that he has vitiligo?
I remember Michael from the early 70s and if mj had vitiligo it would have been noticeable way before the late 80s. It would have been noticeable on his hands, his face etc. MJ got lighter too evenly, and I don't buy that he used makeup initially, why use makeup shades lighter than his original colour until his whole body turned white? Vitiligo rarely makes the whole body turn white so therefore he must have depigmentatize his skin. Now the vitiligo believers would say he depigmentize because of his vitiligo, but the fact of the matter is you can depigmentize without having vitiligo. It's foolish, dangerous and risky, but when you think aboutthe other things Michael has done to himself than nothiing is impossible.
Having been a fan for many years (oh and the fact I have been a fan doesn't automatically make me irrational or unable to see when the shit is being spun) but there was an obvious change and blotchiness in his skin from the 1979 period on. I have also done some extensive reading into the disease and from what I have read feel that this is most likely the true cause of Michael's drastic skin colour change. Is it possible that he used some skin bleaching creme to gain uniformity of tone? Yes, but you would think you would need to go through a whole vat of the stuff to have the same effect that vitilago has had. Swa As for the skin cancer, it maybe a rumour but I wouldn't be surprise if it were true. Agree with your statement - but to rule out the possibility that he has vitiligo is also just as bias. Here is an interesting clip on the topic on youtube Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: whatsgoingon said: I remember Michael from the early 70s and if mj had vitiligo it would have been noticeable way before the late 80s. It would have been noticeable on his hands, his face etc. MJ got lighter too evenly, and I don't buy that he used makeup initially, why use makeup shades lighter than his original colour until his whole body turned white? Vitiligo rarely makes the whole body turn white so therefore he must have depigmentatize his skin. Now the vitiligo believers would say he depigmentize because of his vitiligo, but the fact of the matter is you can depigmentize without having vitiligo. It's foolish, dangerous and risky, but when you think aboutthe other things Michael has done to himself than nothiing is impossible.
As for the skin cancer, it maybe a rumour but I wouldn't be surprise if it were true. Agree with your statement - but to rule out the possibility that he has vitiligo is also just as bias. Here is an interesting clip on the topic on youtube Swa That guy uses makeup that blends in with his original colour, not makeup shades lighter or white makeup and he hasn't done extreme plastic surgery which removes other areas of his ethnicity. | |
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Look at what the guy at 3:18 says. I found that a bit interesting to hear. [Edited 5/16/09 20:40pm] | |
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That guy uses makeup that blends in with his original colour, not makeup shades lighter or white makeup and he hasn't done extreme plastic surgery which removes other areas of his ethnicity.
Karen Faye, Michael's makeup artist has said that they used the same color as his skin and the diease kept on getting more widespread. But hey,I guess michael has never acted black enough for you to even consider that maybe he has the diease. But hey he's lied bout how many nose jobs he's had so he must be lying about his diease. Have you even thought that Michael suffers from Body Dismorphic disorder? Hey, I would have low self esteem if my dad called me ugly and made fun of my big nose. If maybe the fact that he's 50 and had a severe accident that left 2nd degree burns on that scalp..maybe he's balding. But I guess it's not denying your ethinicity when you have many black women who have weaves and colored contacts. Or the fact that some white women will tan themselves pratically to death to acheieve that bronzed look. Maybe if michael hadn't of dated some white women then it would of been believable. Or maybe that he has done a lot for the black community that has gone unrecognized by the media. But whatever, i guess michael wanted to turn white when he became the most famous man on the planet. whatever you say lol. | |
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Every day is Mardi Gras at Wacko Jacko's! Jackson's been carting his kids Prince Michael, Prince Michael II and Paris all over Los Angeles this past week, and the trio has yet to be seen sans masks! Yeah yeah, he wants to protect his kids from the media, yadda yadda yadda… We'd be mortified if we had to wear those masks 24/7! Prince Michael is already a teenager, for God's sake! 
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Swa said: midnightmover said: Interesting how you deliberately ignored the first three words of that sentence.... "He has claimed". MJ fans.... disingenuous as ever. First off i was taking the piss at you deliberately missing the first part of the statement claiming both sides of the argument. And for you to call me disingenuous - i think you better check my stance before you label me that. You will see from my posts that I call MJ on the crap when it's needed. I just think its also disingenuous to only look at the negative within a story and not look at both sides. Swa I didn't claim to be presenting both sides of the argument. I made it clear I was highlighting what I considered to be relevant. My intention was not to get into another debate, but to point out why I wouldn't be surprised if the skin cancer story is true. Simple as that. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Interesting how you deliberately ignored the first three words of that sentence.... "He has claimed".
MJ fans.... disingenuous as ever. Midnight mover, grow the hell up. Everytime, you come into a MJ discussion you always have bs to say and nothing to back to it up with. Don't generalize. Many fans have done our homework on Michael Jackson...ok so don't come in here acting all high and mighty. For you, "b.s." is basically anything you don't want to hear. And if you had an objective bone in your body you would have to admit that most of my posts are extremely logical. If MJ threads weren't such a haven for loons, that fact would not be in dispute. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Katherine Jackson (his mom) interview... Skip ahead to 6:05 for what she says about the topic y'all were just debating here.  "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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Vitiligo? Does anybody see Tito with any Vitiligo?
MJ's mind was messed up by James Fields who told him "The White Man will never let him be as big as Elvis." and possibly Jann Wenner who at one time wouldn't give him a cover on Rolling Stone because in his words "Blacks don't sell magazines." "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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carlcranshaw said: Vitiligo? Does anybody see Tito with any Vitiligo?
MJ's mind was messed up by James Fields who told him "The White Man will never let him be as big as Elvis." and possibly Jann Wenner who at one time wouldn't give him a cover on Rolling Stone because in his words "Blacks don't sell magazines." He actually was on Rolling Stone's cover a few times  and even people magazine-so so much for the whole racism thing.
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Before his "Thriller" days either around the time of Destiny or Off The Wall he wanted a feature and they told him that.
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carlcranshaw said: Before his "Thriller" days either around the time of Destiny or Off The Wall he wanted a feature and they told him that.
I doubt that's what caused him problems later. In my opinion, it was the pepsi accident. -The Pepsi Accident- it was a traumatic experience for him, especially since his hair caught on fire, and head was burned a lot. He might have felt very insecure about his own appearance, after this accident- leading to BDD or body dysmorphic disorder- when you think that there's something that doesn't look right about how you look. -The Pepsi accident might have also led to the possibility of how he got Vitiligo (if he does have it) http://www.mjs-smoothcrim...om/2.shtml Causes: Michael's doctor linked the burns to Michael's scalp (HEAD) in the Pepsi commercial as the catalyst in triggering the vitiligo. With all these these factors- it would cause a man to just lose it completely. [Edited 5/17/09 11:27am] [Edited 5/17/09 11:36am] | |
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Was doing some research for the Michael Jackson Vault forum and found this info
Dirty Diana was originally written in 1983 and a demo was done, but then he worked on it again throughout '84-'86, then being included on Bad Smooth Criminal is similar, originally written in 1985 or 1986 along with Chicago 1945 the Smooth Criminal film in Moonwalker was originally titled Chicago Nights Michael wrote a song called You Not Me in 1979 around the same time he wrote Lovely One here are some of the lyrics "You Not Me" Why can we see eye to eye She thinks she right, he's wrong He thinks he's right, she's wrong Yesterday I set you free or is it that you walked out on me Too blind to see the truth that be the hurt's on you walk carefully open your eyes if you cannot see my love's so right I blame you you blame me The truth, the truth will set you free A life for me, no more we You purt the rest on yourself I hope you'll see it's living in love for me, it's living in love You took the car, but I hold the key to happiness that's what for me Material things don't mean much to me some of the lyrics were later used for The Brothers Johnson song "This Had To Be" Another song from 1979, In The Life Of Chico, has a similar subject as Little Susie. It's about a 9 year old South American child who is left to take care of his family in a violence torn area who is later killed due to Michael's handwriting, here's what could be made out Farming, starvation, hunger, poverty, a South American Family Chico, his sister, brother, mother live a force in an old ??? ??? is killing the people and the holy ?? has made ?? supply ?? the father of Chico went off for help but never came back Chico 9 years old is left to lead as its family man of the house hope? for the family ?? so he ?? all day ??? so they ??? Chico ??? [...] Chico keeps his pride a real man he decide to go off to the city far away to challenge from the ?? to build a ??? ??? his father's get the money ???? but droughted heat and ?? killed Chico when he was 10. a ?? born ??? ??? his bones in the sun to ??? but god bless Chico keeps her pride, faith is Chico man of man [notice of michael as last line:] But bless Chico faith cause in gods heaven Chico his ?? place "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Was doing some research for the Michael Jackson Vault forum and found this info
Dirty Diana was originally written in 1983 and a demo was done, but then he worked on it again throughout '84-'86, then being included on Bad Smooth Criminal is similar, originally written in 1985 or 1986 along with Chicago 1945 the Smooth Criminal film in Moonwalker was originally titled Chicago Nights Michael wrote a song called You Not Me in 1979 around the same time he wrote Lovely One here are some of the lyrics "You Not Me" Why can we see eye to eye She thinks she right, he's wrong He thinks he's right, she's wrong Yesterday I set you free or is it that you walked out on me Too blind to see the truth that be the hurt's on you walk carefully open your eyes if you cannot see my love's so right I blame you you blame me The truth, the truth will set you free A life for me, no more we You purt the rest on yourself I hope you'll see it's living in love for me, it's living in love You took the car, but I hold the key to happiness that's what for me Material things don't mean much to me some of the lyrics were later used for The Brothers Johnson song "This Had To Be" Another song from 1979, In The Life Of Chico, has a similar subject as Little Susie. It's about a 9 year old South American child who is left to take care of his family in a violence torn area who is later killed due to Michael's handwriting, here's what could be made out Farming, starvation, hunger, poverty, a South American Family Chico, his sister, brother, mother live a force in an old ??? ??? is killing the people and the holy ?? has made ?? supply ?? the father of Chico went off for help but never came back Chico 9 years old is left to lead as its family man of the house hope? for the family ?? so he ?? all day ??? so they ??? Chico ??? [...] Chico keeps his pride a real man he decide to go off to the city far away to challenge from the ?? to build a ??? ??? his father's get the money ???? but droughted heat and ?? killed Chico when he was 10. a ?? born ??? ??? his bones in the sun to ??? but god bless Chico keeps her pride, faith is Chico man of man [notice of michael as last line:] But bless Chico faith cause in gods heaven Chico his ?? place thanks for posting this, really Interesting...of course I understood nothing from the lyrics of chico but its interesting regardless,I want to hear the song  MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: bboy87 said: Was doing some research for the Michael Jackson Vault forum and found this info
Dirty Diana was originally written in 1983 and a demo was done, but then he worked on it again throughout '84-'86, then being included on Bad Smooth Criminal is similar, originally written in 1985 or 1986 along with Chicago 1945 the Smooth Criminal film in Moonwalker was originally titled Chicago Nights Michael wrote a song called You Not Me in 1979 around the same time he wrote Lovely One here are some of the lyrics "You Not Me" Why can we see eye to eye She thinks she right, he's wrong He thinks he's right, she's wrong Yesterday I set you free or is it that you walked out on me Too blind to see the truth that be the hurt's on you walk carefully open your eyes if you cannot see my love's so right I blame you you blame me The truth, the truth will set you free A life for me, no more we You purt the rest on yourself I hope you'll see it's living in love for me, it's living in love You took the car, but I hold the key to happiness that's what for me Material things don't mean much to me some of the lyrics were later used for The Brothers Johnson song "This Had To Be" Another song from 1979, In The Life Of Chico, has a similar subject as Little Susie. It's about a 9 year old South American child who is left to take care of his family in a violence torn area who is later killed due to Michael's handwriting, here's what could be made out Farming, starvation, hunger, poverty, a South American Family Chico, his sister, brother, mother live a force in an old ??? ??? is killing the people and the holy ?? has made ?? supply ?? the father of Chico went off for help but never came back Chico 9 years old is left to lead as its family man of the house hope? for the family ?? so he ?? all day ??? so they ??? Chico ??? [...] Chico keeps his pride a real man he decide to go off to the city far away to challenge from the ?? to build a ??? ??? his father's get the money ???? but droughted heat and ?? killed Chico when he was 10. a ?? born ??? ??? his bones in the sun to ??? but god bless Chico keeps her pride, faith is Chico man of man [notice of michael as last line:] But bless Chico faith cause in gods heaven Chico his ?? place thanks for posting this, really Interesting...of course I understood nothing from the lyrics of chico but its interesting regardless,I want to hear the song Did you see the scans I posted on The Michael Jackson Vault? I think they're on MJJC too "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: seeingvoices12 said: thanks for posting this, really Interesting...of course I understood nothing from the lyrics of chico but its interesting regardless,I want to hear the song Did you see the scans I posted on The Michael Jackson Vault? I think they're on MJJC too NO, Im not a member there yet, why didn't you post them on here   ? you know Im interested in this stuff.  MICHAEL JACKSON
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Any news on janet coming to london to do scream with MJ she was here in Feb 2009 having meetings... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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seeingvoices12 said: bboy87 said: Did you see the scans I posted on The Michael Jackson Vault? I think they're on MJJC too NO, Im not a member there yet, why didn't you post them on here ? you know Im interested in this stuff. I would have.... but it probably would've gotten ignored "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: seeingvoices12 said: NO, Im not a member there yet, why didn't you post them on here ? you know Im interested in this stuff. I would have.... but it probably would've gotten ignored who cares? post them, Me and some fans are interested in this, Not intertesed in his skin tho....lol MICHAEL JACKSON
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You Not Me 
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bboy87 said:
You Not Me
God, I wonder how you figured out the lyrics of "The life of chico" , they are not clear at all , how you get those InterestingMICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: bboy87 said:
You Not Me
God, I wonder how you figured out the lyrics of "The life of chico" , they are not clear at all , how you get those InterestingFrom what I can see, Michael says that Chico is 9 years old. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: seeingvoices12 said: God, I wonder how you figured out the lyrics of "The life of chico" , they are not clear at all , how you get those InterestingFrom what I can see, Michael says that Chico is 9 years old. you need a microscope to get the lyrics ,I bet the song has a despressing melody, from some of the lyrics posted by bboy, I can tell its a well-written track.MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: ViintageJunkiie said: From what I can see, Michael says that Chico is 9 years old. you need a microscope to get the lyrics ,I bet the song has a despressing melody, from some of the lyrics posted by bboy, I can tell its a well-written track.Yep! I would love to hear these songs. I can only imagine how many songs Michael has WRITTEN and not RECORDED. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: seeingvoices12 said: you need a microscope to get the lyrics ,I bet the song has a despressing melody, from some of the lyrics posted by bboy, I can tell its a well-written track.Yep! I would love to hear these songs. I can only imagine how many songs Michael has WRITTEN and not RECORDED. Those are not recorded? , Mainly the majority of the tracks he wrote were recorded,there was also hand written lyrics of a song called "crack kills" recorded during the Bad sessions.,,Im just wondering who has all those hand written lyrics.....MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: ViintageJunkiie said: Yep! I would love to hear these songs. I can only imagine how many songs Michael has WRITTEN and not RECORDED. Those are not recorded? , Mainly the majority of the tracks he wrote were recorded,there was also hand written lyrics of a song called "crack kills" recorded during the Bad sessions.,,Im just wondering who has all those hand written lyrics.....These were in a notebook that was acquired in that lawsuit back in 2004 when that guy had some of the family's stuff from storage. Remember in 2008 when Michael sued them and they had to give his stuff back? Well it seems they haven't yet and they've opened a site called J5Secrets with pictures of the family and pictures of memorbilia like business letters, notes to each other, holiday cards, outfits, and lyrics In the notebook, it had lyrics to Little Susie, Be Not Always, In The Life of Chico, Lovely One, You Not Me, and some other lyrics it also had handwritten drafts to the executives of CBS/Epic where he expressed how he felt about how they had promoted The Jacksons' albums and Off The Wall They probably were recorded, The guy who acquired the belongings had a load of master tapes, even though he probably had to give Michael's back [Edited 5/17/09 15:40pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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seeingvoices12 said: ViintageJunkiie said: Yep! I would love to hear these songs. I can only imagine how many songs Michael has WRITTEN and not RECORDED. Those are not recorded? , Mainly the majority of the tracks he wrote were recorded,there was also hand written lyrics of a song called "crack kills" recorded during the Bad sessions.,,Im just wondering who has all those hand written lyrics.....Like Bboy said, there are some songs written that were recorded (on the notepads), but I know there are some songs that Michael wrote but never got a chance to actually record. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: seeingvoices12 said: Those are not recorded? , Mainly the majority of the tracks he wrote were recorded,there was also hand written lyrics of a song called "crack kills" recorded during the Bad sessions.,,Im just wondering who has all those hand written lyrics.....Like Bboy said, there are some songs written that were recorded (on the notepads), but I know there are some songs that Michael wrote but never got a chance to actually record. 
I'm hoping more info will be uncovered this year. I've been trying to covince the guys who wrote "For The Record" to do a second edition or do a website about it "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: Like Bboy said, there are some songs written that were recorded (on the notepads), but I know there are some songs that Michael wrote but never got a chance to actually record.
I'm hoping more info will be uncovered this year. I've been trying to covince the guys who wrote "For The Record" to do a second edition or do a website about it Im intertested on songs written during the bad era and the history era, we have very few titles of unreleased songs from the history sessions, like only 7 or 8 songs,Im sure he recorded more than that. and it would be a great to do secord version of this book, with more unreleased songs titles.
By the way, Im interested in a song called "soilder's entrance" , i wish we get some lyrics soon. MICHAEL JACKSON
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