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Reply #480 posted 05/16/09 10:23am

suga10

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
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Reply #481 posted 05/16/09 10:32am

bboy87

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suga10 said:

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
[Edited 5/16/09 10:23am]

it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol
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Reply #482 posted 05/16/09 10:34am

suga10

bboy87 said:

suga10 said:

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
[Edited 5/16/09 10:23am]

it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol


But you have to think about why he's been visiting this dermatology clinic so often.

I hope its not true though sad
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Reply #483 posted 05/16/09 10:48am

Annika

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Skin cancer rumour has been denied:

A spokesman for Michael Jackson is denying a report the singer has skin cancer, insisting he is in "the best of health."

"He is great," Dr. Tohme Tohme told the Daily News on Saturday.

"He's in perfect health ... he doesn't have any diseases whatsoever."

Britain's Sun newspaper reported Saturday the "Beat It" singer has cancerous spots on his body and pre-cancerous cells on his face.

The paper said Jackson was diagnosed last month and has been told the condition is treatable. Tohme said the report was just "not true."

"He is in the best of health," he added.

Jackson still plans to go ahead with a series of sell-out comeback concerts in London in July, sources told the Sun.

"He was at first very concerned, but says he has been assured by the doctors that they can treat this and he will recover," an insider was quoted as saying.

"He said he's insisted that any treatment must fit around the concerts, and the show will go on."

Jackson, 50, who already suffers from the pigmentation disorder vitiligo, has been visiting a Beverly Hills dermatologist, the paper said.

The Sun said the former Jackson Five singer got the diagnosis in April - around the time his car was involved in an accident at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles.

After years of legal problems, financial trouble and bizarre behavior, the "Thriller" idol is trying to make a comeback with 50 sold-out shows at London's 02 arena.


http://www.nydailynews.co...ays_r.html
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Reply #484 posted 05/16/09 10:50am

Annika

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suga10 said:

bboy87 said:


it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol


But you have to think about why he's been visiting this dermatology clinic so often.

I hope its not true though sad


The rumour says he was diagnosed last month, but we've been getting regular pictures of him coming out of this clinic for at least a year. So what was he doing there the rest of the time?
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Reply #485 posted 05/16/09 10:57am

cdcgold

suga10 said:

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
[Edited 5/16/09 10:23am]


stfu


I'm so sick of you idiots YOU CANNOT BLEACH YOUR SKIN!!!!! show me some proof that it is possible to bleach your skin. Show one example, a picture of another person who doesn't have vitligo but managed to get their skin as white as michael's. If you can't than SHUT THE FUCK UP about the skin bleaching crap cause it has no merit.
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Reply #486 posted 05/16/09 11:06am

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cdcgold said:

suga10 said:

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
[Edited 5/16/09 10:23am]


stfu


I'm so sick of you idiots YOU CANNOT BLEACH YOUR SKIN!!!!! show me some proof that it is possible to bleach your skin. Show one example, a picture of another person who doesn't have vitligo but managed to get their skin as white as michael's. If you can't than SHUT THE FUCK UP about the skin bleaching crap cause it has no merit.

Too much bleaching can actually cause vitiligo like symptoms. Depigmentation is a kind of permanent bleaching and although it is recommended mainly to those with vitiligo only, you don't have to have vitiligo to undertake the process. Read info about Depigmentation. If you go through it whether you have vitiligo or not you need to stay out of the sun for life, which is what MJ does all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...gmentation
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Reply #487 posted 05/16/09 11:51am

suga10

cdcgold said:



I'm so sick of you idiots YOU CANNOT BLEACH YOUR SKIN!!!!! show me some proof that it is possible to bleach your skin. Show one example, a picture of another person who doesn't have vitligo but managed to get their skin as white as michael's. If you can't than SHUT THE FUCK UP about the skin bleaching crap cause it has no merit.


There are dipigmentation creams out there like Monobenzone below is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...onobenzone

which take off the pigment of one's skin. As a result, your skin has no pigment anymore and you're therefore more at a higher risk of getting skin cancer, since pigment protects you from the sun's rays. Why do you think Michael is always walking around with an umbrella on sunny days?

Honestly none of us know the real deal about Michael's skin- whether he has vitiligo or not. I choose to care for his music more, compared to his physical appearance. I was just replying to this whole rumor about him having skin cancer.
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Reply #488 posted 05/16/09 3:04pm

cdcgold

suga10 said:

cdcgold said:



I'm so sick of you idiots YOU CANNOT BLEACH YOUR SKIN!!!!! show me some proof that it is possible to bleach your skin. Show one example, a picture of another person who doesn't have vitligo but managed to get their skin as white as michael's. If you can't than SHUT THE FUCK UP about the skin bleaching crap cause it has no merit.


There are dipigmentation creams out there like Monobenzone below is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...onobenzone

which take off the pigment of one's skin. As a result, your skin has no pigment anymore and you're therefore more at a higher risk of getting skin cancer, since pigment protects you from the sun's rays. Why do you think Michael is always walking around with an umbrella on sunny days?

Honestly none of us know the real deal about Michael's skin- whether he has vitiligo or not. I choose to care for his music more, compared to his physical appearance. I was just replying to this whole rumor about him having skin cancer.
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you people STILL didn't answer the question show me some proof this procedure can and has been performed sucessfully on someone who doesn't have vitiligo( and they survived it). the same way written proof,others celebrities (including michaels family) statements regarding michael skin disorder is not enough and means nothing to you, You just saying that those creams can bleach someone completely white means nothing to me and many others .That is NOT proof it is just talk SHOW ME SOME PROOF Whatsgoingon that this has been done before.


It's really sad you people can't even be logical. There is way more evidence and it makes more since that he has vitiligo, but you are so caught up in your hatred you just can't admit you were wrong. sad
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Reply #489 posted 05/16/09 3:26pm

suga10

cdcgold said:



you people STILL didn't answer the question show me some proof this procedure can and has been performed sucessfully on someone who doesn't have vitiligo( and they survived it). the same way written proof,others celebrities (including michaels family) statements regarding michael skin disorder is not enough and means nothing to you, You just saying that those creams can bleach someone completely white means nothing to me and many others .That is NOT proof it is just talk SHOW ME SOME PROOF Whatsgoingon that this has been done before.


It's really sad you people can't even be logical. There is way more evidence and it makes more since that he has vitiligo, but you are so caught up in your hatred you just can't admit you were wrong. sad


I don't hate the man. I love the man's music, but I'm just giving my view point on his whole skin deal.

I only think the way I do, because of how much he has altered his appearance throughout the years, so therefore, why wouldn't there be any reason to believe that he didn't go to the extent of altering the skin tone too?? He is very insecure about his own appearance- there's no question about that one.

At the end do I really care about his skin? Absolutely not.Its not something of great importance to me to be concerned about. He's a great singer and makes great music, which I enjoy- that's what matters.
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Reply #490 posted 05/16/09 3:32pm

alphastreet

as much as I want to laugh this rumour off like the rest, I'm getting this panicky gut feeling that there is truth to it and they caught it early.

Well with whatever happens, I'm glad I'm getting a chance to see him live, and I wish him well with his health.
[Edited 5/16/09 15:33pm]
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Reply #491 posted 05/16/09 4:04pm

angel345

bboy87 said:

suga10 said:

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
[Edited 5/16/09 10:23am]

it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol

Coming from the source lol
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Reply #492 posted 05/16/09 4:07pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

suga10 said:

The news of skin cancer is not that surprising.

Considered the skin creams he's used throughout the years. Sooner or later its going to have an affect.

I wish him the best of recovery, and hope he's learned a lesson.
[Edited 5/16/09 10:23am]

it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol


Ain't it amazing that millions of stories keep popping up about Michael dying every other year?
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Reply #493 posted 05/16/09 4:12pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:


it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol


Ain't it amazing that millions of stories keep popping up about Michael dying every other year?


Those diseases names are really weird lol
MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Reply #494 posted 05/16/09 4:23pm

Timmy84

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



Ain't it amazing that millions of stories keep popping up about Michael dying every other year?


Those diseases names are really weird lol


Next they'll say he has meningitis in his skin. lol
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Reply #495 posted 05/16/09 4:28pm

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Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:



Those diseases names are really weird lol


Next they'll say he has meningitis in his skin. lol

LOL , yeah, anything is possible lol
MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Reply #496 posted 05/16/09 4:34pm

angel345

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:


it's from a tabloid

so basically he's suffering from:
- Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency
- Chronic gastrointestinal bleeding
- Severe emphysema
- 95% blind in his left eye
- Near mute (cannot speak)
- Lung and liver diseases, needs transplant but too weak to get it
- Serious back and leg pain, almost always in bed and unable to get out
- Extreme frailty (95 pounds or less)
- On his final days, preparing his will
- Severe MRSA-style staph infection (flesh eating disease, requires IV)
- Skin cancer


riight.... lol


Ain't it amazing that millions of stories keep popping up about Michael dying every other year?

Amazing, isn't it?
disbelief
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Reply #497 posted 05/16/09 4:35pm

Swa

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midnightmover said:

Swa said:

This just posted online at ninemsn.com.au

Michael Jackson 'has skin cancer'12:30 AEST Sat May 16 2009
By ninemsn staff

Michael Jackson is reportedly battling skin cancer.

Jackson, 50, has spots of skin cancer on his upper body and pre-cancerous cells on his face, The Sun reports.

Those close to the King of Pop did not deny the report when contacted.

"I cannot comment on this issue," a spokesperson for his publicist Dita Miller was reported as saying in the Daily Mail.

"I am afraid there is nothing more to add at this time."

His New York-based lawyers, L Londell McMillan, refused to confirm or deny the reports.

"We don't speak about these sorts of things ... I cannot say any more," a spokesperson said.

Jackson is said to be determined to make a full recovery after his Los Angeles doctors said the disease was treatable.

"He was at first very concerned, but says he has been assured by the doctors that they can treat this and he will recover," a Sun source said.

Jackson has been photographed making regular visits to his Beverly Hills dermatologist wearing a mask and surgical cap, and reportedly received the shock diagnosis last month.

Jackson's strange skin colour has been linked to the cancer.

He has claimed to suffer from vitiligo, a disease that affects pigmentation, which has the potential to contribute to skin problems.

Medical bodies have also warned in the past that skin bleaching treatments can lead to skin cancer.

Jackson has long been rumoured to have undergone the cosmetic treatment despite repeatedly denying the claims.

The obscure performer's 50 sold-out shows at London's O2 Arena are scheduled to begin in July.

Swa

The part in bold is the relevant part. He was always going to pay the price for such extensive and dramatic self-mutilation.


I think you bolded the wrong section.

Swa
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Reply #498 posted 05/16/09 4:46pm

Timmy84

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:



Ain't it amazing that millions of stories keep popping up about Michael dying every other year?

Amazing, isn't it?
disbelief


Very and then we see him in recent pictures looking like he's full of life. lol
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Reply #499 posted 05/16/09 4:47pm

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All this talk about Vitiligo or skin bleaching - I think it's funny that people are willing to jump to the extreme conclusion that he bleached his skin (and to do the whole body now - really???) and not to the possibility that he has vitiligo?

Having been a fan for many years (oh and the fact I have been a fan doesn't automatically make me irrational or unable to see when the shit is being spun) but there was an obvious change and blotchiness in his skin from the 1979 period on. I have also done some extensive reading into the disease and from what I have read feel that this is most likely the true cause of Michael's drastic skin colour change.

Is it possible that he used some skin bleaching creme to gain uniformity of tone? Yes, but you would think you would need to go through a whole vat of the stuff to have the same effect that vitilago has had.

Swa
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Reply #500 posted 05/16/09 4:50pm

Timmy84

Swa said:

All this talk about Vitiligo or skin bleaching - I think it's funny that people are willing to jump to the extreme conclusion that he bleached his skin (and to do the whole body now - really???) and not to the possibility that he has vitiligo?

Having been a fan for many years (oh and the fact I have been a fan doesn't automatically make me irrational or unable to see when the shit is being spun) but there was an obvious change and blotchiness in his skin from the 1979 period on. I have also done some extensive reading into the disease and from what I have read feel that this is most likely the true cause of Michael's drastic skin colour change.

Is it possible that he used some skin bleaching creme to gain uniformity of tone? Yes, but you would think you would need to go through a whole vat of the stuff to have the same effect that vitilago has had.

Swa


Exactly. That's what I believed. Yeah he was diagnosed with it in "1986" but it's likely he had it for years beforehand but he was scared to admit it. I mean even after his diagnosis on that year, he still didn't let it be known until it was obvious he had lost his original skin tone.
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Reply #501 posted 05/16/09 5:19pm

angel345

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:


Amazing, isn't it?
disbelief


Very and then we see him in recent pictures looking like he's full of life. lol

lol And we shall see him in July. I'm curious.
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Reply #502 posted 05/16/09 5:38pm

midnightmover

Swa said:

midnightmover said:


The part in bold is the relevant part. He was always going to pay the price for such extensive and dramatic self-mutilation.


I think you bolded the wrong section.

Swa

Interesting how you deliberately ignored the first three words of that sentence.... "He has claimed".

MJ fans.... disingenuous as ever.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Reply #503 posted 05/16/09 6:03pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Interesting how you deliberately ignored the first three words of that sentence.... "He has claimed".

MJ fans.... disingenuous as ever.


Midnight mover, grow the hell up. Everytime, you come into a MJ discussion you always have bs to say and nothing to back to it up with. Don't generalize. Many fans have done our homework on Michael Jackson...ok so don't come in here acting all high and mighty.
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Reply #504 posted 05/16/09 6:11pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

The part in bold is the relevant part. He was always going to pay the price for such extensive and dramatic self-mutilation.



Have you ever thought that michael has body dysmorphic disorder? I mean his dad use to call him ugly and call him big nose along with his brothers. I think latoya suffers this too. Michael and her had the broadest and biggest noses in the family. It's a shame because they didn't realize how attractive they were. I can remember watching a show on Oprah that talked about bdd and there was this woman on there that suffered it. She had extensive plastic surgery. She was so so beautiful before the surgery. It all started when she had a boyfriend tell her that she was fat and had a big nose.

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Reply #505 posted 05/16/09 6:23pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

All this talk about Vitiligo or skin bleaching - I think it's funny that people are willing to jump to the extreme conclusion that he bleached his skin (and to do the whole body now - really???) and not to the possibility that he has vitiligo?

Having been a fan for many years (oh and the fact I have been a fan doesn't automatically make me irrational or unable to see when the shit is being spun) but there was an obvious change and blotchiness in his skin from the 1979 period on. I have also done some extensive reading into the disease and from what I have read feel that this is most likely the true cause of Michael's drastic skin colour change.

Is it possible that he used some skin bleaching creme to gain uniformity of tone? Yes, but you would think you would need to go through a whole vat of the stuff to have the same effect that vitilago has had.

Swa


Right I agree. You can notice it. If you also notice he always wears long selves and pants so they could be blotchy as well. Combined with the body dysmorphic disorder plus not acting black enough in many people's eyes led people and the media to believe that he was bleaching his skin. Michael should of came out with it right away but really back then no one knows about the diease and still to this day don't know much about it. I can remember talking about the diease with someone who had it and she said many people are really ignorant and mean to her about the diease. If you really look closer and observe michael's life without reading the tabloids, you can see that he's done a lot for the black community. But people wanna believe what they wanna believe.
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Reply #506 posted 05/16/09 6:34pm

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Swa said:

All this talk about Vitiligo or skin bleaching - I think it's funny that people are willing to jump to the extreme conclusion that he bleached his skin (and to do the whole body now - really???) and not to the possibility that he has vitiligo?

Having been a fan for many years (oh and the fact I have been a fan doesn't automatically make me irrational or unable to see when the shit is being spun) but there was an obvious change and blotchiness in his skin from the 1979 period on. I have also done some extensive reading into the disease and from what I have read feel that this is most likely the true cause of Michael's drastic skin colour change.

Is it possible that he used some skin bleaching creme to gain uniformity of tone? Yes, but you would think you would need to go through a whole vat of the stuff to have the same effect that vitilago has had.

Swa
I remember Michael from the early 70s and if mj had vitiligo it would have been noticeable way before the late 80s. It would have been noticeable on his hands, his face etc. MJ got lighter too evenly, and I don't buy that he used makeup initially, why use makeup shades lighter than his original colour until his whole body turned white? Vitiligo rarely makes the whole body turn white so therefore he must have depigmentatize his skin. Now the vitiligo believers would say he depigmentize because of his vitiligo, but the fact of the matter is you can depigmentize without having vitiligo. It's foolish, dangerous and risky, but when you think aboutthe other things Michael has done to himself than nothiing is impossible.

As for the skin cancer, it maybe a rumour but I wouldn't be surprise if it were true.
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Reply #507 posted 05/16/09 6:40pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

I remember Michael from the early 70s and if mj had vitiligo it would have been noticeable way before the late 80s. It would have been noticeable on his hands, his face etc. MJ got lighter too evenly, and I don't buy that he used makeup initially, why use makeup shades lighter than his original colour until his whole body turned white? Vitiligo rarely makes the whole body turn white so therefore he must have depigmentatize his skin. Now the vitiligo believers would say he depigmentize because of his vitiligo, but the fact of the matter is you can depigmentize without having vitiligo. It's foolish, dangerous and risky, but when you think aboutthe other things Michael has done to himself than nothiing is impossible.

As for the skin cancer, it maybe a rumour but I wouldn't be surprise if it were true.


Actually it can. Vitilgo has three stages. Universal Vitilgo is the worst and the most widespread. I've seen people at this stage of vitilgo and they are completely white. Remember Michael wears long sleeves and pants so they could be blotchy.
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Reply #508 posted 05/16/09 6:40pm

Swa

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Swa said:



I think you bolded the wrong section.

Swa

Interesting how you deliberately ignored the first three words of that sentence.... "He has claimed".

MJ fans.... disingenuous as ever.


First off i was taking the piss at you deliberately missing the first part of the statement claiming both sides of the argument.

And for you to call me disingenuous - i think you better check my stance before you label me that. You will see from my posts that I call MJ on the crap when it's needed. I just think its also disingenuous to only look at the negative within a story and not look at both sides.

Swa
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Reply #509 posted 05/16/09 6:52pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I remember Michael from the early 70s and if mj had vitiligo it would have been noticeable way before the late 80s. It would have been noticeable on his hands, his face etc. MJ got lighter too evenly, and I don't buy that he used makeup initially, why use makeup shades lighter than his original colour until his whole body turned white? Vitiligo rarely makes the whole body turn white so therefore he must have depigmentatize his skin. Now the vitiligo believers would say he depigmentize because of his vitiligo, but the fact of the matter is you can depigmentize without having vitiligo. It's foolish, dangerous and risky, but when you think aboutthe other things Michael has done to himself than nothiing is impossible.

As for the skin cancer, it maybe a rumour but I wouldn't be surprise if it were true.


Actually it can. Vitilgo has three stages. Universal Vitilgo is the worst and the most widespread. I've seen people at this stage of vitilgo and they are completely white. Remember Michael wears long sleeves and pants so they could be blotchy.

Michael torso and so forth have been on show during the 80s, during his concerts and there are even pictures of him coming in and out of
swimming pools, if he had universal vitiligo it would have shown up on these occassions. I knew about vitiligo way before Michael claimed he had it, so it is not has unknown as people think it is.
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