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viciuzurban said: Ottensen said: umm dude, it's cool if you don't like the child's music, but to attack her using racial ephithets is very uncool indeed  lol i dont do things to be cool. i don't follow the crowd. im fly already! if i hurt your sensitivities, get a life. the world is more brutal than this. if you want to censor every vulgar thing in this world that goes on, go be a hermit and live in cave or some shit. Its funny you're the first one that has issues with what I write. coincidence? [Edited 4/17/09 0:19am] I understand, you [None of that, it is not funny snip - luv4u]. [Edited 4/17/09 6:18am] |
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Ottensen said: PDogz said: Uh, pretty raunchy. But nobody in that clip convinced me of anything, lol. No one is going to admit to anything that has been so demonized in our current society. And Tigger didn't do himself any service by calling in to that show, lol. Poor guy.  At least Tyson knew better than to call in, lol. I just think it's sad that we live in a world where these guys feel like they need to defend themselves, or their sexuality, against the opinions of others. I'm also saddened that this is the type of rhetoric that gets any kind of ratings on a radio show. But I suppose that's the world we're living in today.I will say that in the beginning of their taping (the audio clip I can't find) she drumming it in pretty hard that he was gay and he sorta didn't say no, he would just say things like" you can say whatever you want about me, I dont care!", but he didn't deny rather than joke about it. I imagine he very well could be bi...I only say that because I have an old female friend that had a friendship with him, he definitely likes girls, but in that superficial Hollyweird way where they have to be a certain complexion and weight. I had another friend that tried to get at him, but as pretty as she is, he couldn't get down with her plus size...if he likes dudes too, then so be it, but I'm sad at the idea that we brown-er sistas and my plus size sistas can't get no love these days... Even though I didn't hear the part that you're referring to, from the part I did hear, I got the same sense that you did: that he wasn't denying anything. And what your old female friend observed of his behavior sounds very familiar to me. If a guy happens to be gay, and he prefers not to reveal it (because he doesn't feel like being discriminated against by half of society), he's gonna come up with every excuse in the book for why he's not interested in having sex with any particular girl (ie: she's too fat, she's too thin, she's too light, she's too dark, she's too smart, she's too dumb, she's too pretty, she's too ugly... ANYTHING except she's too FEMALE - or more to the point: She lacks a penis, lol). That "Superficial Hollyweird Way" that you speak of is just a lack of interest in the opposite sex, and not being able to admit it (for WHATEVER reason). So what happens is it just appears weird. It's not really, it's just that they aren't comfortable putting it out there. But in reality, they're VERY clear of what their interests are. Many people THINK it's weird because they can't conceive that a masculine, attractive man would be exclusively sexually interested in other men. Because they've been conditioned to believe that all gay men are detectable by their appearance and/or behavior. Without having any statistical data to backup my opinion, I believe there are more gay people who don't appear stereotypically gay than those who do. Then finally, don't be sad, because there are plenty of good heterosexual men that have plenty of love for brown-er skin sistas and plus-size sistas. But the problem is most human beings (not just sistas) are attracted to others who usually have absolutely NO interest in US, lol. It's a sick little game us human beings like to play with each other. Everybody's trying to run from the one that's trying to get with them, while running after the one that's running from them! And even if you try to reverse the trend by stopping dead in your tracks and turning to face the one that's chasing you... that'll scare the shit outta them and they'll take off running in the opposite direction! If there's a secret to winning the Game of Love (...and I certainly haven't yet), I think it is to just stand in your place and learn to accept the love from whatever direction it comes from, with no judgments.  | |
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PDogz said: Ottensen said: I will say that in the beginning of their taping (the audio clip I can't find) she drumming it in pretty hard that he was gay and he sorta didn't say no, he would just say things like" you can say whatever you want about me, I dont care!", but he didn't deny rather than joke about it. I imagine he very well could be bi...I only say that because I have an old female friend that had a friendship with him, he definitely likes girls, but in that superficial Hollyweird way where they have to be a certain complexion and weight. I had another friend that tried to get at him, but as pretty as she is, he couldn't get down with her plus size...if he likes dudes too, then so be it, but I'm sad at the idea that we brown-er sistas and my plus size sistas can't get no love these days... Even though I didn't hear the part that you're referring to, from the part I did hear, I got the same sense that you did: that he wasn't denying anything. And what your old female friend observed of his behavior sounds very familiar to me. If a guy happens to be gay, and he prefers not to reveal it (because he doesn't feel like being discriminated against by half of society), he's gonna come up with every excuse in the book for why he's not interested in having sex with any particular girl (ie: she's too fat, she's too thin, she's too light, she's too dark, she's too smart, she's too dumb, she's too pretty, she's too ugly... ANYTHING except she's too FEMALE - or more to the point: She lacks a penis, lol). That "Superficial Hollyweird Way" that you speak of is just a lack of interest in the opposite sex, and not being able to admit it (for WHATEVER reason). So what happens is it just appears weird. It's not really, it's just that they aren't comfortable putting it out there. But in reality, they're VERY clear of what their interests are. Many people THINK it's weird because they can't conceive that a masculine, attractive man would be exclusively sexually interested in other men. Because they've been conditioned to believe that all gay men are detectable by their appearance and/or behavior. Without having any statistical data to backup my opinion, I believe there are more gay people who don't appear stereotypically gay than those who do. Then finally, don't be sad, because there are plenty of good heterosexual men that have plenty of love for brown-er skin sistas and plus-size sistas. But the problem is most human beings (not just sistas) are attracted to others who usually have absolutely NO interest in US, lol. It's a sick little game us human beings like to play with each other. Everybody's trying to run from the one that's trying to get with them, while running after the one that's running from them! And even if you try to reverse the trend by stopping dead in your tracks and turning to face the one that's chasing you... that'll scare the shit outta them and they'll take off running in the opposite direction! If there's a secret to winning the Game of Love (...and I certainly haven't yet), I think it is to just stand in your place and learn to accept the love from whatever direction it comes from, with no judgments. Actually the Superficial Hollyweird Way I'm talking about is the preference to date super thin, lighter skinned women, with flowing hair, ect, ect. a lá Spike Lee's Schooldays.Anyhoo...like I said,if he's bi-sexual then good for him. It was just interesting for me to observe how one friend dated him because she looked a certain way, but with another friend (because she was plus sized) her friendship sort of stalled with him. It's a pity, I understand there are health issues concerned regarding weight, but I also feel not every woman on earth is meant to be a size 0-2.... | |
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Ottensen said: Actually the Superficial Hollyweird Way I'm talking about is the preference to date super thin, lighter skinned women, with flowing hair, ect, ect. a lá Spike Lee's Schooldays.
But how many women fit that description? And so how convenient is THAT when a given male is trying to explain away why they're not known to be having more sexual relationships with women? (...is what I'm saying). Ottensen said: It was just interesting for me to observe how one friend dated him because she looked a certain way, but with another friend (because she was plus sized) her friendship sort of stalled with him.
My question would be (for which of course there is no answer) did your one friend that looked a certain way have any more of a meaningful "relationship" with him than your friend that was plus-sized? I would suspect not, but what do I know. Moreover, I would wonder how you're defining "dated". What I'm getting at is; I don't believe "plus-size" is the MAIN issue (though I'm sure it could be a factor). My suspicion is; both your friends were barking up the wrong tree. Ottensen said: I understand there are health issues concerned regarding weight, but I also feel not every woman on earth is meant to be a size 0-2....
...and very few GROWN women are (that's mostly a fantasy, cooked up by fashion magazines, heroin, and Photoshop), which makes it a very convenient group to target as your main interest, if you're a man trying to explain why you're not having more relationships with women as a whole. | |
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PDogz said:[quote] Ottensen said: Actually the Superficial Hollyweird Way I'm talking about is the preference to date super thin, lighter skinned women, with flowing hair, ect, ect. a lá Spike Lee's Schooldays.
But how many women fit that description? And so how convenient is THAT when a given male is trying to explain away why they're not known to be having more sexual relationships with women? (...is what I'm saying). Chile, Miami Beach Los Angeles are teeming with them, they're the girls that are in the Actor/Athelete crowd...it's a total meat market. As for the rest, I think it's too presumptous to assert the man is homosexual when he clearly has an interest in having relations with women. I have friends in the film industry who are staunchly bi-sexual and I'm fine with them having that sexual identification. They love men, they love women, they procreate. As for the two personal examples I gave, I'm not trying to put people's private life on blast rather than illustrate the point that we can't always assume what people are based on how they look or whatever the media insinuates...that's kinda dangerous and unfair.  | |
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Ottensen said:[quote] PDogz said: Ottensen said: Actually the Superficial Hollyweird Way I'm talking about is the preference to date super thin, lighter skinned women, with flowing hair, ect, ect. a lá Spike Lee's Schooldays.
But how many women fit that description? And so how convenient is THAT when a given male is trying to explain away why they're not known to be having more sexual relationships with women? (...is what I'm saying). Chile, Miami Beach Los Angeles are teeming with them, they're the girls that are in the Actor/Athelete crowd...it's a total meat market. As for the rest, I think it's too presumptous to assert the man is homosexual when he clearly has an interest in having relations with women. I have friends in the film industry who are staunchly bi-sexual and I'm fine with them having that sexual identification. They love men, they love women, they procreate. As for the two personal examples I gave, I'm not trying to put people's private life on blast rather than illustrate the point that we can't always assume what people are based on how they look or whatever the media insinuates...that's kinda dangerous and unfair. I understand. | |
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Calm down you politcally correct orgers, he apologized...again, calm down. It's only jokes. If you are in the public eye you are not above being made fun of.
16, oh she's 16!! She's dating a 20 year old and I see 16 year olds with babys. There are white comedians who say much worse, nobody goes after them. I suspect a bit of racism about this. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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Oh,
All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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...and I thought Billy Ray had an appropriate response to Jamie's comments:
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PC org. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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I don't think Jamie's career will be too harmed by this at all. He's always said inappropriate stuff, always. lol And he apologized so....much ado about nothing imo "Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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bettybop said: I don't think Jamie's career will be too harmed by this at all. He's always said inappropriate stuff, always. lol And he apologized so....much ado about nothing imo
 What do you mean "too harmed"? Nothing happened AT ALL so far and nothing ever will. No one of real importance gives a shit about Miley Cyrus but a bunch of little tween girls who aren't even fans of Jamie to begin wth.nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: bettybop said: I don't think Jamie's career will be too harmed by this at all. He's always said inappropriate stuff, always. lol And he apologized so....much ado about nothing imo
What do you mean "too harmed"? Nothing happened AT ALL so far and nothing ever will. No one of real importance gives a shit about Miley Cyrus but a bunch of little tween girls who aren't even fans of Jamie to begin wth."Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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MuthaFunka said: bettybop said: I don't think Jamie's career will be too harmed by this at all. He's always said inappropriate stuff, always. lol And he apologized so....much ado about nothing imo
What do you mean "too harmed"? Nothing happened AT ALL so far and nothing ever will. No one of real importance gives a shit about Miley Cyrus but a bunch of little tween girls who aren't even fans of Jamie to begin wth. I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. | |
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PDogz said: ...and I thought Billy Ray had an appropriate response to Jamie's comments:
PAPA DON'T TAKE NO MESS!!!!!  | |
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woogiebear said: PDogz said: ...and I thought Billy Ray had an appropriate response to Jamie's comments:
PAPA DON'T TAKE NO MESS!!!!! It seemed like an appropriate enough response...I know we makes jokes about folks and all every day here, but I guess you never really know something you say can hurt a person until you see their face and reaction to your words...here's hoping they can bury the hatchet and keep it moving  | |
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