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AlexdeParis said: phunkdaddy said: She won't be having rendezvous with anyone but me. Phunkdaddy has spoken. She's mine, so step off! Van is great. Period. but what would Van say? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I can't help but feel Van Hunt has shot himself in the foot in terms of his career. It is complete nonsense to say that Prince never cared about being a good songwriter. The difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince realised early on that to have a long-term career in music and gain a decent sized fanbase you need to have a hit song to your name. I fear it may already be too late for Van (which is a shame because I feel he is really talented) but if another label DOES pick him up, he needs to get over himself and write a hit. Otherwise he won't have a career to speak of.
These may be harsh words, but they are true. Van Hunt is probably the most talented cat to emerge since the beginning of the 00's... but if he continues to take himself too seriously he'll suffer the consequences. [Edited 4/14/09 0:46am] | |
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I think Van should definitely remain independent, cos nobody knows who the hell he is. Not tryin to be an A-hole with my comment, but it's true..go out and ask that dude on the street who Van Hunt is and watch his reaction. I betcha anything it'll be a confused look of some description. Unless he's up on his underground r'n'b he'd have no clue at all. None of what he does is radio friendly either, so what station is gonna play it? Maybe a youth station or a non-commercial station or something like that. You won't hear him on....I dunno....Mix 106.5 or 2Day FM. Not unless one of their DJs suddenly feel like playin some ballsy music instead of that bullshit that's commercialised.
Let me just remind you all once again: Blue Note Records already tried to manipulate him as an artist - he even made this public. He responded by tellin' 'em where to stick it, which is why "Popular" never came out and why he's no longer signed to the label. BIG respect to him for that. [Edited 4/14/09 16:06pm] | |
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AlexdeParis said: phunkdaddy said: She won't be having rendezvous with anyone but me. Phunkdaddy has spoken. She's mine, so step off! Van is great. Period. cut it out you guys If you will, so will I | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: RodeoSchro said: So, in other words you're a liar? How so? | |
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RodeoSchro said: ButterscotchPimp said: So, in other words you're a liar? How so? In the way that you LIED about him calling HIS fans a "bunch of losers". http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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MattyJam said: I can't help but feel Van Hunt has shot himself in the foot in terms of his career. It is complete nonsense to say that Prince never cared about being a good songwriter. The difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince realised early on that to have a long-term career in music and gain a decent sized fanbase you need to have a hit song to your name. I fear it may already be too late for Van (which is a shame because I feel he is really talented) but if another label DOES pick him up, he needs to get over himself and write a hit. Otherwise he won't have a career to speak of.
These may be harsh words, but they are true. Van Hunt is probably the most talented cat to emerge since the beginning of the 00's... but if he continues to take himself too seriously he'll suffer the consequences. [Edited 4/14/09 0:46am] Ah, I see. So because Van Hunt said something on a blog that Prince fanatics perceived to be a negative, he's destroyed his own career? Yeah. I'm buying that. I have three solid CDs by Van Hunt. I haven't spent money on a Prince CD in the 21st century. When Van comes to town, I'm going to his shows. According to your logic, if he doesn't kiss the asses of Prince fans, nobody's gonna like him. Dude has good songs. He doesn't have to "get over himself" any more than any other artist does. All he has to do is release good music. People who like what he does will buy it and go to his shows. People who don't, won't. Its that simple. This ain't 1987. Don't nobody give a fuck about what Prince or Prince fans think with regards to other artists. [Edited 4/14/09 11:20am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: MattyJam said: I can't help but feel Van Hunt has shot himself in the foot in terms of his career. It is complete nonsense to say that Prince never cared about being a good songwriter. The difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince realised early on that to have a long-term career in music and gain a decent sized fanbase you need to have a hit song to your name. I fear it may already be too late for Van (which is a shame because I feel he is really talented) but if another label DOES pick him up, he needs to get over himself and write a hit. Otherwise he won't have a career to speak of.
These may be harsh words, but they are true. Van Hunt is probably the most talented cat to emerge since the beginning of the 00's... but if he continues to take himself too seriously he'll suffer the consequences. [Edited 4/14/09 0:46am] Ah, I see. So because Van Hunt said something on a blog that Prince fanatics perceived to be a negative, he's destroyed his own career? Yeah. I'm buying that. I have three solid CDs by Van Hunt. I haven't spent money on a Prince CD in the 21st century. When Van comes to town, I'm going to his shows. According to your logic, if he doesn't kiss the asses of Prince fans, nobody's gonna like him. Dude has good songs. He doesn't have to "get over himself" any more than any other artist does. All he has to do is release good music. People who like what he does will buy it and go to his shows. People who don't, won't. Its that simple. This ain't 1987. Don't nobody give a fuck about what Prince or Prince fans think with regards to other artists. [Edited 4/14/09 11:20am] The voice of (t)reason.....lol. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: MattyJam said: I can't help but feel Van Hunt has shot himself in the foot in terms of his career. It is complete nonsense to say that Prince never cared about being a good songwriter. The difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince realised early on that to have a long-term career in music and gain a decent sized fanbase you need to have a hit song to your name. I fear it may already be too late for Van (which is a shame because I feel he is really talented) but if another label DOES pick him up, he needs to get over himself and write a hit. Otherwise he won't have a career to speak of.
These may be harsh words, but they are true. Van Hunt is probably the most talented cat to emerge since the beginning of the 00's... but if he continues to take himself too seriously he'll suffer the consequences. [Edited 4/14/09 0:46am] Ah, I see. So because Van Hunt said something on a blog that Prince fanatics perceived to be a negative, he's destroyed his own career? Yeah. I'm buying that. I have three solid CDs by Van Hunt. I haven't spent money on a Prince CD in the 21st century. When Van comes to town, I'm going to his shows. According to your logic, if he doesn't kiss the asses of Prince fans, nobody's gonna like him. Dude has good songs. He doesn't have to "get over himself" any more than any other artist does. All he has to do is release good music. People who like what he does will buy it and go to his shows. People who don't, won't. Its that simple. This ain't 1987. Don't nobody give a fuck about what Prince or Prince fans think with regards to other artists. [Edited 4/14/09 11:20am] PREACH. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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MattyJam said: I can't help but feel Van Hunt has shot himself in the foot in terms of his career. It is complete nonsense to say that Prince never cared about being a good songwriter. The difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince realised early on that to have a long-term career in music and gain a decent sized fanbase you need to have a hit song to your name. I fear it may already be too late for Van (which is a shame because I feel he is really talented) but if another label DOES pick him up, he needs to get over himself and write a hit. Otherwise he won't have a career to speak of.
These may be harsh words, but they are true. Van Hunt is probably the most talented cat to emerge since the beginning of the 00's... but if he continues to take himself too seriously he'll suffer the consequences. [Edited 4/14/09 0:46am] I have to disagree. What makes a "hit" today. Definately not good music IMO. Van Hunt has a pretty good following and has released some reall good music. I'm not sold on his live performances from what i've seen on youtube but I do plan on seeing him live to judge for myself. That blog was blown out of proportions, even he had to rewrite some portions for clarification and outside of the Org nobody really cares. | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: RodeoSchro said: How so? In the way that you LIED about him calling HIS fans a "bunch of losers". LOL. Well to be fair, he DID say we could kiss his ass while we were figuring out if we WANTED to be fans. Feel better now? | |
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RodeoSchro said: ButterscotchPimp said: In the way that you LIED about him calling HIS fans a "bunch of losers". LOL. Well to be fair, he DID say we could kiss his ass while we were figuring out if we WANTED to be fans. Feel better now? about you being a liar? i feel about the same as i did when i opened this crap thread. thanks for asking. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: RodeoSchro said: LOL. Well to be fair, he DID say we could kiss his ass while we were figuring out if we WANTED to be fans. Feel better now? about you being a liar? i feel about the same as i did when i opened this crap thread. thanks for asking. See the next post. [Edited 4/15/09 7:16am] | |
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Based upon new information from someone I respect, I believe I was wrong about Van Hunt. Not only will I not question his character, I am going to listen to his music.
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I have seen Mr. Hunt in ATL in the past. He is very, very talented.
Life and Public Success comes down to decisions and timing. Somebody has to "Put you on". Your timing has to be "timely" Plus, you must serve an agenda.. Prince fit several agenda in the 70s-80s. Prince would not float in the Post HipHop Era of today (or "Techno Hip-Pop") I question why all entertainers get the breaks they do.. Like how a man who dress in high-heels and bikini-briefs rose so quickly through black radio before the white public loved him. Now, we wonder how genocidal and fake gangster rappers make it, or singing whores who show sex and body over talent. They all fit an agenda at one point in time. Van Hunt would've done well in the 80's, but it's all down to choice and timing. It's too bad that he had a melt-down on the site, but he must realize that YHWH has a better purpose for him. Sometimes it comes down to what these companies seek to promote, and what you are willing to do for them to "make it big". The entertainement companies promote who and what they want to before the people demand it. They people do not now most of these entertainers on a local and underground level before they appear on the radio, MTV, or BET. Most people are Sheep, and won't notice you if you are not annointed by The Industry. YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King RodeoSchro said: Here it is:
Last night I was on the
computer with my son. He likes to look up biographical information on the 43 presidents. (And to think, at 5 years old, all I wanted to do was the 'robot'). After he'd his fill he asked if I would google "Van Hunt's Son." I pondered his reasoning and the potential for damage that I was ignoring. I was reluctant when I said, ". . .o. . .k..." I pressed enter. and right there, at the top of the page was a heading, "Van Hunt is Prince's Son." This time it was Prince.org. "Oh, Jesus" I whispered. I had to have it. Double Click. I read the first line, "there aint sh*t about Van Hunt that's genius." Or something to that effect. My son reads almost as fast as i do. But, I caught him before he got to the curse words. I said "go play." He started to challenge the order. I put on my transformer face. He found a toy. I read on. Of course, everyone on the thread was a Prince fan. But, to my surprise, this time I emerged from the comments without any long-term scarring. Some people didn't know enough about me to form an opinion. Some people knew enough to be enthusiastically supportive and encouraging of my work. Some were, obviously, musically inclined on top of being Prince fans. Some didn't give a damn. The debate seemed to be fueled by the bodyguarding of Prince's legacy and about the question of whether or not I was a good musician. They mentioned other musicians who would supposedly wipe the floor with me (even 10 year old musicians). What they don't realize is that I've played guitar with, for and beside most of their heroes. And, I doubt that any of those musicians would say that I couldn't hold my own. What they don't know is that guitar isn't even my first instrument. Piano is. What they don't know is I never set out to make improvisational solo records. I fast forward through Prince's guitar solos. As a matter of fact I would be more likely to listen to Thelonious Monk play one of his tinkly excursions than I would Art Tatum. Charlie Parker could MAKE you hear modal scales in fourths-using major minor 11ths and do it before you notice that Mccoy Tyner or Oscar Peterson didn't even have his hands on the keys. but, i put my money on Johnny Hodges. slow notes by the most beautiful horn tone in the business. Ask me who's the better singer, Sam Cooke or Muddy Waters, and I'll say, obviously, Sam Cooke. But, ask me who I prefer to listen to and, well... Muddy is my man! And, if u listened to Sly's 'there's a riot goin on' you would not walk away from that record claiming that George Benson or Herbie Hancock need be worried about claims on their Godliness. But, it's MY favorite record. What they don't know is that 'their man', while he is an incredible talent and entertainer, he willed his biggest hits into being. Because he HAD to be a star. He no longer writes great songs because being a great songwriter was never his goal. Being relevant was/is. What they don't know is that Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Duke Ellington...THOSE are great songwriters. They wrote hundreds of them- consistently. Nary a dud in their entire career. What they don't know is that Michelangelo was an artist. Marlon Brando was an artiste (emphasis on the 'iste'). Each more naturally skillful than any of the people I've mentioned. Ayn Rand, Tennessee Williams... craftsmen. Read 'Fountainhead' or watch 'Night of The Iguana'. the work is more fine tuned and sharp and sophisticated than any of the people I've mentioned. They don't know that these are the benchmarks for me. Not their obsolete little argument over who has the best album of the last 20 years that was played on the now invisible and inaudible "black radio." What they can't comprehend is the lengths I have gone to create what is my highest ideal...for their world to sneer at...and that it is quietly reaching critical immunity because of the dues that i have paid. So, kiss my a** while you decide if i'm worth your respect. it shouldn't matter to me; and, i am glad to say that it doesn't anymore. and, i will tell my child the same thing the next time he asks me to google Van Hunt's son: it's none of your business what people say about you details on my future coming tuesday. V H . http://prince.org/msg/8/2...ince-Forum He doesn't too highly of some of us. [Edited 4/15/09 11:00am] | |
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Van Hunt writes wellf or others, but "hits" are subjective..
To most people in the U.S., "hits" are dumbed-down material now.. It's a Sex and Pedofile show with these pop tarts..lol It's going to get worse because of low record sales.. The new breed will have to bascially have to popular by doing something else other than making good music: 1) Reality Shows 2) Sex Tapes 3) Demonic Music 4) Wild nights on the town Still, If YHWH is not in it, it means nothing.. It's supposed to rot. | |
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Rememebr when he was highly upset about the things you guys were saying about him on this site and then he responded on his myuspace blog? Then all yall started saying yall didnt mean that? Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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BlaqueKnight said: MattyJam said: I can't help but feel Van Hunt has shot himself in the foot in terms of his career. It is complete nonsense to say that Prince never cared about being a good songwriter. The difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince realised early on that to have a long-term career in music and gain a decent sized fanbase you need to have a hit song to your name. I fear it may already be too late for Van (which is a shame because I feel he is really talented) but if another label DOES pick him up, he needs to get over himself and write a hit. Otherwise he won't have a career to speak of.
These may be harsh words, but they are true. Van Hunt is probably the most talented cat to emerge since the beginning of the 00's... but if he continues to take himself too seriously he'll suffer the consequences. [Edited 4/14/09 0:46am] Ah, I see. So because Van Hunt said something on a blog that Prince fanatics perceived to be a negative, he's destroyed his own career? Yeah. I'm buying that. I have three solid CDs by Van Hunt. I haven't spent money on a Prince CD in the 21st century. When Van comes to town, I'm going to his shows. According to your logic, if he doesn't kiss the asses of Prince fans, nobody's gonna like him. Dude has good songs. He doesn't have to "get over himself" any more than any other artist does. All he has to do is release good music. People who like what he does will buy it and go to his shows. People who don't, won't. Its that simple. This ain't 1987. Don't nobody give a fuck about what Prince or Prince fans think with regards to other artists. [Edited 4/14/09 11:20am] the big difference between Prince and Van Hunt is that Prince wasnt lazy at any point early on, neither were peeps like Elton John, neil Young, Billy Joel and Norah Jones. They all gigged it and didnt sit back and blog to kill time instead of using the net the way this generation PREACHES that it can but never does.....So many tools and no one putting them to work, wheres the fucking drive in these cats to do music, and im not talking about every 6 months tossing up a song or demo on your myspace site, shit my friends band does that every other day, and this BULLSHIT assumption that Van Hunt is doing quality work and thats why it takes so long is the same crap that Maxwell and Dangelo and Lauryn Hill preach about, its bullshit. The comparisons of Prince and Van Hunt are as bogus as the Prince and MJ ones, totally irrelevant and unfounded, the only reason Van Hunt gets play here is that he is doing something in Prince's vein or vibe, though im not seeing it for the most part. And i could care less what he thinks of Prince or vice versa, i mean that kind of talk is for folks like Kanye and Justin and Timbalame to spew. My opinions on Van are known because they are coming from being in the fold early on, and the cat needs to stay indie and NOT BITCH, you cant do both, you cant complain about industry and then not utilize the anti-industry tools, and im sorry but Van has proven to be at times, alot of times, a walking double standard "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Lastdecember, I am apt to agree with you somewhat. I think Van Hunt is horribly torn between secretly lusting for mainstream success while publicly posturing as being wholly satisfied with his underground cult status. Also, I think that post he made awhile back was bogus too - not because he told fans to kiss his ass (which he didn't), but the entire premise for the post was questionable. I seriously doubt his son googled "van hunt's son" and stumbled across this forum berating his musicianship. And artists have no place in defending their art to the masses - you either take it or leave it. He should have never responded to criticism.
All that being said however, I'd take Van Hunt as a songwriter today over Prince and D'Angelo any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He's lyrically superior to both, his sound is just as uniquely realized as Prince - who he sounds nothing like. He's an amalgamation of Sly Stone, Curtis Mayfield and The MC5 - and he's more prolific than D'Angelo. Prince, for reasons beyond me, hasn't released anything interesting in almost 15 years and D'Angelo seems content with wasting his talent. Van Hunt seemingly may not be working hard at getting his music out to the public in this topsy-turvy microwave generation at a pace suitable for said generation, but after hearing those new jams at his Myspace page today, I'm impressed with is skills as a songwriter. He's an interesting cat. | |
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I miss him. I loved his first two albums. what's the deal? can't he just put some shit out independently? He needs to give Mint Condition and Ani DiFranco a call to see how they still manage to get their stuff out with no label. | |
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chuckaducci said: Lastdecember, I am apt to agree with you somewhat. I think Van Hunt is horribly torn between secretly lusting for mainstream success while publicly posturing as being wholly satisfied with his underground cult status. Also, I think that post he made awhile back was bogus too - not because he told fans to kiss his ass (which he didn't), but the entire premise for the post was questionable. I seriously doubt his son googled "van hunt's son" and stumbled across this forum berating his musicianship. And artists have no place in defending their art to the masses - you either take it or leave it. He should have never responded to criticism.
All that being said however, I'd take Van Hunt as a songwriter today over Prince and D'Angelo any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He's lyrically superior to both, his sound is just as uniquely realized as Prince - who he sounds nothing like. He's an amalgamation of Sly Stone, Curtis Mayfield and The MC5 - and he's more prolific than D'Angelo. Prince, for reasons beyond me, hasn't released anything interesting in almost 15 years and D'Angelo seems content with wasting his talent. Van Hunt seemingly may not be working hard at getting his music out to the public in this topsy-turvy microwave generation at a pace suitable for said generation, but after hearing those new jams at his Myspace page today, I'm impressed with is skills as a songwriter. He's an interesting cat. I agree to some extent, i think the idea of who is a good and not a good songwriter is sometimes misjudged. Someone like Elton John cant write lyrics at all, but as far as writing music, theres no one better structured classic songs, but you rarely hear him mentioned in that vein. Prince i have never thought of as a singer or even or lyricist, he first is a musician, and i think his range on different instruments clearly blows anyone out the box. Van has the chops to do everything, but my issue is he wants it all to be his way, but at the same time he wants the game to be the way it used to be...sounds alot like Prince's thinking in the 90's doesnt it. Van cant be indie and use the indie tools but then bitch about mainstream and labels not giving him play, he also cant complain if he doesnt walk the talk. From 1998-2001 Norah Jones played about 300 gigs in places that held anywhere from 20-100 people, she built the following, and when the shit blew up for her, she didnt get jaded with it like many do, she has gone right back to doing those type of shows again. Im not getting that from Van, im not seeing the drive within, with each album im losing it a bit more with him, his songs are getting a little repetitive and getting into this lazy groove, which is very typical, hopefully he experiments with more styles iin the future. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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