daPrettyman said: VinnyM27 said: It was interesting that SOS Band's album was the only one that didn't have an Amazon link to the album. Overall, yet another controversial list....only Prince's two big albums on there...OK. Those 2 are considered r&b classics. How is 'Purple Rain' an R & B classic? Clearly classic rock though. [Edited 4/8/09 22:59pm] I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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daPrettyman said: To be fair, Force MDs and Full Force's albums were horrible IMO. They had great songs, but their albums were filled with lots of filler.I would rather see Lisa Lisa's Spanish Fly or their ST album. They were good albums...especially Spanish Fly.
I don't know about Force MDs,but Full Force's 1987 album 'Guess Who's Comin To The Crib' is excellent.Lots of good songs on that one.It's the album that should have made them into superstars.They had alot of success producing others,but they never had that one big album of their own. | |
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phunkdaddy said: thatruth said: I'm a huge Rick James fan, but I never dug Street Songs, I always felt that was his crossover album but it's highly overrated, it's an ok album. Thrownin Down is an undisputed classic that ranks far and beyond Street Songs, IMO. Another 80s R&B album that should've been recognized was Angela Bofill's Too Tough. That's one of the first albums I remember hearing growing up, and every cut was on point.
While i do agree with you that from beginning to end throwin down was a better album than street songs, i have to disagree about the whole album being crossover. Super Freak may have been the one crossover single from the album but songs like Ghetto Life was anything but crossover. Hell that's as funky as you can get. Also Give it to me Baby and Fire and Desire were anything but crossover. They were solid r&b songs in my opinion. Street Songs definitely belong on that list Yeah,I don't consider 'Street Songs' to be a crossover album,either.I mean,it did cross over a little and received some attention from pop audiences but it is,by and large,a solid funk/R&B album.Rick didn't change his formula/sound at all,he just improved on it.He still kept it funky."Super Freak" has a slight New Wave/pop feel to it,but it still has a funky bassline.I think it is Rick's strongest,most consistent album. | |
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daPrettyman said: Shalamar is on the list....with their worst album.
Shalamar's 1982 album 'Friends' should have made this list. | |
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phunkdaddy said: The poll is subjective according to soultracks opinion but how in the hell the one EWF album that's on the list is the Faces album. WTF?
Are you kidding me? Some on the list i agree with and others i don't. EW&F should have been represented by either 'Raise' (1981) or 'Touch The World' (1987).Both of those albums are better than 'Faces'. | |
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SUPRMAN said: daPrettyman said: Those 2 are considered r&b classics. How is 'Purple Rain' an R & B classic? Clearly classic rock though. [Edited 4/8/09 22:59pm] Because u find a LOT of r&b fans that still consider PR a classic. WDC gets played all of the time on r&b radio...not to mention Erotic City and The Beautiful Ones. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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SoulAlive said: daPrettyman said: To be fair, Force MDs and Full Force's albums were horrible IMO. They had great songs, but their albums were filled with lots of filler.I would rather see Lisa Lisa's Spanish Fly or their ST album. They were good albums...especially Spanish Fly.
I don't know about Force MDs,but Full Force's 1987 album 'Guess Who's Comin To The Crib' is excellent.Lots of good songs on that one.It's the album that should have made them into superstars.They had alot of success producing others,but they never had that one big album of their own. Yeah, I have the Guess Who's Comin album and it is good, but not compared to some of the others on the list. I wouldn't rank it in a category called "The Greatest". **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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SoulAlive said: daPrettyman said: Shalamar is on the list....with their worst album.
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Timmy84 said: SoulAlive said: Oh,I must have missed the 70s poll! "What's Going On" was #2. what about Stevie? Where did SITKOL and Innervisions land on that poll? | |
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SUPRMAN said: seeingvoices12 said: Despite the fact that the album is mainly seen as a pop album it has its R&B roots and moments....I can mention number of songs on the album that are R&B. LOL and NONE OF YOU are complaining about "PURPLE RAIN" being on the list, let alone #3. How do you make the argument that that is an R & B album? It isn't. Again, Purple rain is considered Rock album to many but it also has its R&B moments, people say that because the rock genre is dominating the sound of the album.....but putting the album in an R&B list is not crime or suprising. Prince and Mj roots have always been R&B. MICHAEL JACKSON
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SoulAlive said: Timmy84 said: "What's Going On" was #2. what about Stevie? Where did SITKOL and Innervisions land on that poll? They're there, I'm not good remembering EVERYTHING with LISTS. Fuck a poll tho. | |
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daPrettyman said: SUPRMAN said: How is 'Purple Rain' an R & B classic? Clearly classic rock though. [Edited 4/8/09 22:59pm] Because u find a LOT of r&b fans that still consider PR a classic. WDC gets played all of the time on r&b radio...not to mention Erotic City and The Beautiful Ones. 'Erotic City' is not on the Purple Rain album. 'The Beautiful Ones' is R & B? So does that make Air Supply's 'All Out of Love' R & B too? I understand 'When Dove Cry' being played on R & B radio but that doesn't make it R & B. Playing Mick Hucknall will not make him a black man . . . I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: SUPRMAN said: LOL and NONE OF YOU are complaining about "PURPLE RAIN" being on the list, let alone #3. How do you make the argument that that is an R & B album? It isn't. Again, Purple rain is considered Rock album to many but it also has its R&B moments, people say that because the rock genre is dominating the sound of the album.....but putting the album in an R&B list is not crime or suprising. Prince and Mj roots have always been R&B. You could say that about Boy George, David Hall, Mick Hucknall, Joss Stones, Bonnie Raitt and others on the list of people whose roots have always been R & B. It sounds like you're suggesting being black give you R & B roots genetically. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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SUPRMAN said: daPrettyman said: Because u find a LOT of r&b fans that still consider PR a classic. WDC gets played all of the time on r&b radio...not to mention Erotic City and The Beautiful Ones. 'Erotic City' is not on the Purple Rain album. 'The Beautiful Ones' is R & B? So does that make Air Supply's 'All Out of Love' R & B too? I understand 'When Dove Cry' being played on R & B radio but that doesn't make it R & B. Playing Mick Hucknall will not make him a black man . . . I know EC is not on the album, but it is a PR b-side. In my area, 17 Days got a lot of airplay also. [Edited 4/9/09 20:30pm] **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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I've heard more R&B fans give more props to "Purple Rain" than rock fans do, lol. Oddly enough it was his biggest crossover album. | |
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Timmy84 said: I've heard more R&B fans give more props to "Purple Rain" than rock fans do, lol. Oddly enough it was his biggest crossover album.
Hell, even PR, the song, gets lots of r&b radio play today. Along with The Beautiful Ones. Especially during the 'quiet storm'. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: I've heard more R&B fans give more props to "Purple Rain" than rock fans do, lol. Oddly enough it was his biggest crossover album.
Hell, even PR, the song, gets lots of r&b radio play today. Along with The Beautiful Ones. Especially during the 'quiet storm'. "When Doves Cry" is the usual one played, "Purple Rain" is too. They play "Let's Go Crazy", "Take Me With You" and "I Would Die 4 U" on '80s nights (usually on Fridays). I think they do play "Beautiful Ones" but it depends on what radio station you listen to. | |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: Hell, even PR, the song, gets lots of r&b radio play today. Along with The Beautiful Ones. Especially during the 'quiet storm'. "When Doves Cry" is the usual one played, "Purple Rain" is too. They play "Let's Go Crazy", "Take Me With You" and "I Would Die 4 U" on '80s nights (usually on Fridays). I think they do play "Beautiful Ones" but it depends on what radio station you listen to. It also depends on which part of the country u r in. I know in Orlando, they play The Beautiful Ones, WDC and PR all of the time. In Dallas, they play WDC and IWD4U regularly. I never hear Take Me With U. I do hear LGC on the pop 80s station here, though. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: "When Doves Cry" is the usual one played, "Purple Rain" is too. They play "Let's Go Crazy", "Take Me With You" and "I Would Die 4 U" on '80s nights (usually on Fridays). I think they do play "Beautiful Ones" but it depends on what radio station you listen to. It also depends on which part of the country u r in. I know in Orlando, they play The Beautiful Ones, WDC and PR all of the time. In Dallas, they play WDC and IWD4U regularly. I never hear Take Me With U. I do hear LGC on the pop 80s station here, though. I live in North Carolina so it's hard to decipher when "Beautiful Ones" is played if all. But I do know "When Doves Cry" and "Purple Rain" get played all the time on R&B radio. | |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: It also depends on which part of the country u r in. I know in Orlando, they play The Beautiful Ones, WDC and PR all of the time. In Dallas, they play WDC and IWD4U regularly. I never hear Take Me With U. I do hear LGC on the pop 80s station here, though. I live in North Carolina so it's hard to decipher when "Beautiful Ones" is played if all. But I do know "When Doves Cry" and "Purple Rain" get played all the time on R&B radio. I think WDC is his biggest song in any genre. Funny he doesn't like performing it. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: I live in North Carolina so it's hard to decipher when "Beautiful Ones" is played if all. But I do know "When Doves Cry" and "Purple Rain" get played all the time on R&B radio. I think WDC is his biggest song in any genre. Funny he doesn't like performing it. Right, lol. | |
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mrpunkfunk said: phunkdaddy said: While i do agree with you that from beginning to end throwin down was a better album than street songs, i have to disagree about the whole album being crossover. Super Freak may have been the one crossover single from the album but songs like Ghetto Child was anything but crossover. Hell that's as funky as you can get. Also Give it to me Baby and Fire and Desire were anything but crossover. They were solid r&b songs in my opinion. Street Songs definitely belong on that list but if i had a poll throwin down would have ranked higher. I think you meant 'Ghetto Life', and you're right, that album was far from crossover, it would have easily been in my top 10, if not higher, but I'm a hardcore Rick fan. The rest of the list was ok I guess, I just don't invest a lot into what these 'list makers' say. But all and all, they named some good albums. I'm glad they gave 'Rapture' its due, splendid album!!! Thanks for correcting me. I fell asleep. I meant ghetto life. Don't laugh at my funk
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daPrettyman said: SUPRMAN said: 'Erotic City' is not on the Purple Rain album. 'The Beautiful Ones' is R & B? So does that make Air Supply's 'All Out of Love' R & B too? I understand 'When Dove Cry' being played on R & B radio but that doesn't make it R & B. Playing Mick Hucknall will not make him a black man . . . I know EC is not on the album, but it is a PR b-side. In my area, 17 Days got a lot of airplay also. [Edited 4/9/09 20:30pm] But how do 'Erotic City' or '17 Days' determine whether 'Purple Rain' is an R & B album or not? They are off-topic and irrelevant to support a proposition that 'Purple Rain' is an R & B album which is it clearly not. 'Let's Go Crazy' topped the R & B chart but do you really think it would have if Prince had been a white guy? But topping the R & B chart will never make it an R & B song rather than the stadium rocker it is. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: I live in North Carolina so it's hard to decipher when "Beautiful Ones" is played if all. But I do know "When Doves Cry" and "Purple Rain" get played all the time on R&B radio. I think WDC is his biggest song in any genre. Funny he doesn't like performing it. Prince said he stopped performing it because he could never get it to sound right. I noticed on the 'Musicology' tour he used studio tracks. And that's the best it's ever sounded live. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: "When Doves Cry" is the usual one played, "Purple Rain" is too. They play "Let's Go Crazy", "Take Me With You" and "I Would Die 4 U" on '80s nights (usually on Fridays). I think they do play "Beautiful Ones" but it depends on what radio station you listen to. It also depends on which part of the country u r in. I know in Orlando, they play The Beautiful Ones, WDC and PR all of the time. In Dallas, they play WDC and IWD4U regularly. I never hear Take Me With U. I do hear LGC on the pop 80s station here, though. Here in the Bay Area, When Doves Cry, I Would Die 4 U gets played regularly and Take Me With U and Baby I'm A Star also get played "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Shango said: Imo, "Another Part Of Me" has the R&B-ingredients, especially the sped-up clip version which is a solid groove and
appears less pop to me. I agree,"Another Part Of Me" is pure R&B.It boasts the funkiest groove on the album.Not surprisingly,it's my favorite track on that album I would also argue that the title track is R&B | |
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SUPRMAN said: NONE OF YOU are complaining about "PURPLE RAIN" being on the list, let alone #3. How do you make the argument that that is an R & B album? It isn't.
True,it's not an R&B album in the traditional sense but it clearly did well with R&B audiences,mainly because of Prince's R&B/funk roots.Our local R&B station pretty much played everything from that album,and nobody was complaining that the songs were "too pop".Keep in mind that R&B audiences are diverse.In 1979,Donna Summer's "Hot Stuff" reached Number One on the R&B charts,when it is clearly not an R&B song at all.In 1988,George Michael's 'Faith' album reached Number One on the R&B albums chart. | |
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SUPRMAN said: daPrettyman said: I know EC is not on the album, but it is a PR b-side. In my area, 17 Days got a lot of airplay also. [Edited 4/9/09 20:30pm] But how do 'Erotic City' or '17 Days' determine whether 'Purple Rain' is an R & B album or not? They are off-topic and irrelevant to support a proposition that 'Purple Rain' is an R & B album which is it clearly not. 'Let's Go Crazy' topped the R & B chart but do you really think it would have if Prince had been a white guy? But topping the R & B chart will never make it an R & B song rather than the stadium rocker it is. I'm not saying it determines it's an r&b album, but those songs are from that period and people associate those song with PR. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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