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Printableshorttrini said: daPrettyman said: I get Liberian Girl and Speed Demon also being r&b, but Man In The Mirror is a pop song to me. The arrangement is straight pop. THe choir makes it "inspirational", though. As for Characters, I forgot about that album. I don't know why I did, I just bought the 12in of Skeletons this weekend. I consider "Bad" to be a straight up pop album, as oppose to "Off The Wall", which to me was his last R&B album. There was nothing on "Bad", that had that R&B sound.  At that point, R&B had too many "sounds" to be pigeon-holed like that. All I know is I never once thought "why are they playing that pop song on this R&B station" when one of those songs was played...
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AlexdeParis said: shorttrini said: I consider "Bad" to be a straight up pop album, as oppose to "Off The Wall", which to me was his last R&B album. There was nothing on "Bad", that had that R&B sound. At that point, R&B had too many "sounds" to be pigeon-holed like that. All I know is I never once thought "why are they playing that pop song on this R&B station" when one of those songs was played...
While mainstream R&B had all but abandoned guitar solos in the late '80s, there are notable exceptions ("Candy" springs to mind immediately). We're a weird audience, lol. | |
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daPrettyman said: Is anyone familiar with the Stylistics album "Closer Than Close"? I don't think I've ever seen it before.
http://www.discogs.com/St...se/1695387 http://www.discogs.com/St...se/1489943 I'll get a copy myself somewhere soon  [Edited 4/8/09 8:29am] | |
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daPrettyman said: shorttrini said: I consider "Bad" to be a straight up pop album, as oppose to "Off The Wall", which to me was his last R&B album. There was nothing on "Bad", that had that R&B sound. I agree with you. The album has a r&b feel, but it is a pop album. Although, Speed Demon has one of the funkiest bass lines of the 80s. "Smooth Criminal" had that funky guitar riff and the horns in it (as did "Bad" and "Another Part of Me"). | |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: I agree with you. The album has a r&b feel, but it is a pop album. Although, Speed Demon has one of the funkiest bass lines of the 80s. "Smooth Criminal" had that funky guitar riff and the horns in it (as did "Bad" and "Another Part of Me").  Especially my favorite version:
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AlexdeParis said: shorttrini said: I consider "Bad" to be a straight up pop album, as oppose to "Off The Wall", which to me was his last R&B album. There was nothing on "Bad", that had that R&B sound. At that point, R&B had too many "sounds" to be pigeon-holed like that. All I know is I never once thought "why are they playing that pop song on this R&B station" when one of those songs was played...
While mainstream R&B had all but abandoned guitar solos in the late '80s, there are notable exceptions ("Candy" springs to mind immediately). There might have been too many sounds, but you know an R&B groove when you hear one Alex and the material on that album was nowhere near R&B,with maybe "Smooth Criminal", as the exception. This is where Michael started experimenting with different sounds that had a rougher edge to them. I also believe this is the point where Michael lost not only his mind but himself in his quest to try and top the success of "Thriller". "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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shorttrini said: AlexdeParis said: At that point, R&B had too many "sounds" to be pigeon-holed like that. All I know is I never once thought "why are they playing that pop song on this R&B station" when one of those songs was played...
While mainstream R&B had all but abandoned guitar solos in the late '80s, there are notable exceptions ("Candy" springs to mind immediately). There might have been too many sounds, but you know an R&B groove when you hear one Alex Check my post right above yours.  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Imo, "Another Part Of Me" has the R&B-ingredients, especially the sped-up clip version which is a solid groove an appears less pop to me. | |
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I'm a huge Rick James fan, but I never dug Street Songs, I always felt that was his crossover album but it's highly overrated, it's an ok album. Thrownin Down is an undisputed classic that ranks far and beyond Street Songs, IMO. Another 80s R&B album that should've been recognized was Angela Bofill's Too Tough. That's one of the first albums I remember hearing growing up, and every cut was on point. [Edited 4/8/09 10:09am] | |
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Yeah, i think a list of hundred choices is even far too less to capture an ultimate list out of so much releases in a decade.
For example the 2 albums below of Leon Ware :  
"Rockin' You Eternally" is such a powerful classic : Or Billy Griffin from 1982 : So much more great albums have been released back then. | |
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No Sign O The Times, Lovesexy, Parade? Bullshit.
TTD should be higher. Luther should be lower. The Time should be muchhhh higher. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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No Ready For The World?  All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: No Sign O The Times, Lovesexy, Parade? Bullshit.
TTD should be higher. Luther should be lower. The Time should be muchhhh higher. SOTT I could see, but Lovesexy and Parade are not r&b/soul albums at all. I wish that Luther's The Night I Fell In Love was a bit higher. IMO, it is his best album, hands down. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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I don't put too much into these lists, but let's just say some of these choices are whack. Especially Back on the Block making any kind of "best of" list, but whatever. Good list to take with you to the record store. I have the following...
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller 2. Anita Baker - Rapture 3. Prince - Purple Rain 4. Luther Vandross - Never Too Much 5. Prince - 1999 7. Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston 8. Sade - Stronger Than Pride 9. Sade - Diamond Life 11. Janet Jackson - Control 12, Isley Bros. - Between The Sheets 13. Maze - Joy and Pain 14. Michael Jackson - Bad 16. Soul II Soul - Keep On Movin' 17. Keith Sweat - Make It Last Forever 18. Rick James - Street Songs 20. Tina Turner - Private Dancer 21 Chaka Khan - Chaka Khan 23 Janet Jackson - Rhythm Nation 1814 24 Whispers - The Whispers 25 Marvin Gaye - Midnight Love 26 Quincy Jones - The Dude 28 Guy - Guy 33 Teena Marie - Must Be Magic 34 Alexander O'Neal - Hearsay 35 The Time - What Time Is It? 39 New Edition - Heartbreak 40 Zapp - Zapp I 45 Bobby Brown - Don't Be Cruel 46 Debarge - In a Special Way 48 Terence Trent D'arby - Introducing The Hard Line... 49 Patrice Rushen - Straight From The Heart 50 Regina Belle - All By Myself 51 SOS Band - On the Rise 55 Mtume - Juicy Fruit 57 Hall and Oates - Private Eyes 58 Midnight Star - No Parking On The Dance Floor 59 Diana Ross - Diana 61 Loose Ends - The Real Chuckeeboo 71 Atlantic Starr - Radiant 73 Al B Sure - In Effect Mode | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: I don't put too much into these lists, but let's just say some of these choices are whack.
Especially Back on the Block making any kind of "best of" list, but whatever. Good list to take with you to the record store. I have the following...
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller 2. Anita Baker - Rapture 3. Prince - Purple Rain 4. Luther Vandross - Never Too Much 5. Prince - 1999 7. Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston 8. Sade - Stronger Than Pride 9. Sade - Diamond Life 11. Janet Jackson - Control 12, Isley Bros. - Between The Sheets 13. Maze - Joy and Pain 14. Michael Jackson - Bad 16. Soul II Soul - Keep On Movin' 17. Keith Sweat - Make It Last Forever 18. Rick James - Street Songs 20. Tina Turner - Private Dancer 21 Chaka Khan - Chaka Khan 23 Janet Jackson - Rhythm Nation 1814 24 Whispers - The Whispers 25 Marvin Gaye - Midnight Love 26 Quincy Jones - The Dude 28 Guy - Guy 33 Teena Marie - Must Be Magic 34 Alexander O'Neal - Hearsay 35 The Time - What Time Is It? 39 New Edition - Heartbreak 40 Zapp - Zapp I 45 Bobby Brown - Don't Be Cruel 46 Debarge - In a Special Way 48 Terence Trent D'arby - Introducing The Hard Line... 49 Patrice Rushen - Straight From The Heart 50 Regina Belle - All By Myself 51 SOS Band - On the Rise 55 Mtume - Juicy Fruit 57 Hall and Oates - Private Eyes 58 Midnight Star - No Parking On The Dance Floor 59 Diana Ross - Diana 61 Loose Ends - The Real Chuckeeboo 71 Atlantic Starr - Radiant 73 Al B Sure - In Effect Mode Back on the Block is a great album. Every song is good, however, it does not outrank the Dude. It was probably voted that high because of "The Secret Garden". **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: RipHer2Shreds said: I don't put too much into these lists, but let's just say some of these choices are whack.
Especially Back on the Block making any kind of "best of" list, but whatever. Good list to take with you to the record store. I have the following...
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller 2. Anita Baker - Rapture 3. Prince - Purple Rain 4. Luther Vandross - Never Too Much 5. Prince - 1999 7. Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston 8. Sade - Stronger Than Pride 9. Sade - Diamond Life 11. Janet Jackson - Control 12, Isley Bros. - Between The Sheets 13. Maze - Joy and Pain 14. Michael Jackson - Bad 16. Soul II Soul - Keep On Movin' 17. Keith Sweat - Make It Last Forever 18. Rick James - Street Songs 20. Tina Turner - Private Dancer 21 Chaka Khan - Chaka Khan 23 Janet Jackson - Rhythm Nation 1814 24 Whispers - The Whispers 25 Marvin Gaye - Midnight Love 26 Quincy Jones - The Dude 28 Guy - Guy 33 Teena Marie - Must Be Magic 34 Alexander O'Neal - Hearsay 35 The Time - What Time Is It? 39 New Edition - Heartbreak 40 Zapp - Zapp I 45 Bobby Brown - Don't Be Cruel 46 Debarge - In a Special Way 48 Terence Trent D'arby - Introducing The Hard Line... 49 Patrice Rushen - Straight From The Heart 50 Regina Belle - All By Myself 51 SOS Band - On the Rise 55 Mtume - Juicy Fruit 57 Hall and Oates - Private Eyes 58 Midnight Star - No Parking On The Dance Floor 59 Diana Ross - Diana 61 Loose Ends - The Real Chuckeeboo 71 Atlantic Starr - Radiant 73 Al B Sure - In Effect Mode Back on the Block is a great album. Every song is good, however, it does not outrank the Dude. It was probably voted that high because of "The Secret Garden". I just don't care for it. Too generic sounding, especially coming from Quincy. I think, however, it ranks highly because it won the Grammy for album of the year. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: daPrettyman said: Back on the Block is a great album. Every song is good, however, it does not outrank the Dude. It was probably voted that high because of "The Secret Garden". I just don't care for it. Too generic sounding, especially coming from Quincy. I think, however, it ranks highly because it won the Grammy for album of the year. It's rumored that Grammy was given to him because The Dude didn't win a few years earlier. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: RipHer2Shreds said: I just don't care for it. Too generic sounding, especially coming from Quincy. I think, however, it ranks highly because it won the Grammy for album of the year. It's rumored that Grammy was given to him because The Dude didn't win a few years earlier. Probably. Grammy, like Oscar, likes to play make-up for past mistakes. It was also an awful year for album of the year nominations.
Mariah Carey - Mariah Carey But Seriously - Phil Collins Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em - MC Hammer Back on the Block - Quincy Jones Wilson Phillips - Wilson Phillips | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: daPrettyman said: It's rumored that Grammy was given to him because The Dude didn't win a few years earlier. Probably. Grammy, like Oscar, likes to play make-up for past mistakes. It was also an awful year for album of the year nominations.
Mariah Carey - Mariah Carey But Seriously - Phil Collins Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em - MC Hammer Back on the Block - Quincy Jones Wilson Phillips - Wilson Phillips Yeah, out of that list, who would u have picked? Definitely not Hammer or Wilson Philips. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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thatruth said: I'm a huge Rick James fan, but I never dug Street Songs, I always felt that was his crossover album but it's highly overrated, it's an ok album. Thrownin Down is an undisputed classic that ranks far and beyond Street Songs, IMO. Another 80s R&B album that should've been recognized was Angela Bofill's Too Tough. That's one of the first albums I remember hearing growing up, and every cut was on point.
[Edited 4/8/09 10:09am] While i do agree with you that from beginning to end throwin down was a better album than street songs, i have to disagree about the whole album being crossover. Super Freak may have been the one crossover single from the album but songs like Ghetto Child was anything but crossover. Hell that's as funky as you can get. Also Give it to me Baby and Fire and Desire were anything but crossover. They were solid r&b songs in my opinion. Street Songs definitely belong on that list but if i had a poll throwin down would have ranked higher. Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: thatruth said: I'm a huge Rick James fan, but I never dug Street Songs, I always felt that was his crossover album but it's highly overrated, it's an ok album. Thrownin Down is an undisputed classic that ranks far and beyond Street Songs, IMO. Another 80s R&B album that should've been recognized was Angela Bofill's Too Tough. That's one of the first albums I remember hearing growing up, and every cut was on point.
[Edited 4/8/09 10:09am] While i do agree with you that from beginning to end throwin down was a better album than street songs, i have to disagree about the whole album being crossover. Super Freak may have been the one crossover single from the album but songs like Ghetto Child was anything but crossover. Hell that's as funky as you can get. Also Give it to me Baby and Fire and Desire were anything but crossover. They were solid r&b songs in my opinion. Street Songs definitely belong on that list but if i had a poll throwin down would have ranked higher. I think Give It To Me Baby charted on the pop charts. Fire and Desire wasn't released as a single. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: phunkdaddy said: While i do agree with you that from beginning to end throwin down was a better album than street songs, i have to disagree about the whole album being crossover. Super Freak may have been the one crossover single from the album but songs like Ghetto Child was anything but crossover. Hell that's as funky as you can get. Also Give it to me Baby and Fire and Desire were anything but crossover. They were solid r&b songs in my opinion. Street Songs definitely belong on that list but if i had a poll throwin down would have ranked higher. I think Give It To Me Baby charted on the pop charts. Fire and Desire wasn't released as a single. "Give It to Me Baby" peaked at number thirty-one on the pop chart I think. I believe it was #1 R&B. "Superfreak" was #3 R&B and #16 pop. | |
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daPrettyman said: seeingvoices12 said: Despite the fact that the album is mainly seen as a pop album it has its R&B roots and moments....I can mention number of songs on the album that are R&B. Well, I can only think of "Another Part of Me" and "Smooth Criminal" (maybe) that could be considered R&B. The rest is "pop" compared to the other albums on the list. Don't get me wrong, I like the Bad album, but to say it is an R&B album is not true. Same could also be said for a few more of the albums on the list. But to leave off Jody Watley's self titled album, The Jacksons Destiny, Chaka Khan's Whatcha Gonna Do For Me, and a ton more is a crime. Hell, I'd rather see Stevie Wonder's soundtrack to The Woman In Red or In Square Circle added to the list instead of Bad or Simply Red's album. 
Another part of me Smooth criminal Speed Demon Liberian Girl Dirty diana( R&B -rock fusion) All the songs I have mentioned have the R&B roots, re-read what i have posted, I never said that BAD is a pure R&B album,On any MJ album there is always an R&B feel, thats because MJ's roots are R&B..... MICHAEL JACKSON
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Too much tame, overplayed, and late 80s shit in that list for me. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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phunkdaddy said: thatruth said: I'm a huge Rick James fan, but I never dug Street Songs, I always felt that was his crossover album but it's highly overrated, it's an ok album. Thrownin Down is an undisputed classic that ranks far and beyond Street Songs, IMO. Another 80s R&B album that should've been recognized was Angela Bofill's Too Tough. That's one of the first albums I remember hearing growing up, and every cut was on point.
[Edited 4/8/09 10:09am] While i do agree with you that from beginning to end throwin down was a better album than street songs, i have to disagree about the whole album being crossover. Super Freak may have been the one crossover single from the album but songs like Ghetto Child was anything but crossover. Hell that's as funky as you can get. Also Give it to me Baby and Fire and Desire were anything but crossover. They were solid r&b songs in my opinion. Street Songs definitely belong on that list but if i had a poll throwin down would have ranked higher. I think you meant 'Ghetto Life', and you're right, that album was far from crossover, it would have easily been in my top 10, if not higher, but I'm a hardcore Rick fan. The rest of the list was ok I guess, I just don't invest a lot into what these 'list makers' say. But all and all, they named some good albums. I'm glad they gave 'Rapture' its due, splendid album!!! Lady Cab Driver is one of the greatest songs ever! | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: daPrettyman said: It's rumored that Grammy was given to him because The Dude didn't win a few years earlier. Probably. Grammy, like Oscar, likes to play make-up for past mistakes. It was also an awful year for album of the year nominations.
Mariah Carey - Mariah Carey But Seriously - Phil Collins Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em - MC Hammer Back on the Block - Quincy Jones Wilson Phillips - Wilson Phillips  That list is tragic.  Quincy had to win. Damn, I would've had Hammer in second place!"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: RipHer2Shreds said: Probably. Grammy, like Oscar, likes to play make-up for past mistakes. It was also an awful year for album of the year nominations.
Mariah Carey - Mariah Carey But Seriously - Phil Collins Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em - MC Hammer Back on the Block - Quincy Jones Wilson Phillips - Wilson Phillips That list is tragic. Quincy had to win. Damn, I would've had Hammer in second place!And they didn't even nominate "Rhythm Nation". I feel like South Park's Kyle going "YOU BASTARDS!" | |
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Timmy84 said: AlexdeParis said: That list is tragic. Quincy had to win. Damn, I would've had Hammer in second place!And they didn't even nominate "Rhythm Nation". I feel like South Park's Kyle going "YOU BASTARDS!" I think it was ineligible. It was released in September 1989, which I believe is before the cutoff date for that year. Otherwise, it would've been an easy choice. They aren't R&B, but in hindsight I would've voted for Listen Without Prejudice, Vol. 1 or Violator. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: Timmy84 said: And they didn't even nominate "Rhythm Nation". I feel like South Park's Kyle going "YOU BASTARDS!" I think it was ineligible. It was released in September 1989, which I believe is before the cutoff date for that year. Otherwise, it would've been an easy choice. They aren't R&B, but in hindsight I would've voted for Listen Without Prejudice, Vol. 1 or Violator. I see, lol. But it should've gotten one for the 1991 Grammys, lol. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: daPrettyman said: You're probably right. I still don't get how some of those albums made that list. Hell, Bad should NOT have been on that list. Despite the fact that the album is mainly seen as a pop album it has its R&B roots and moments....I can mention number of songs on the album that are R&B. LOL and NONE OF YOU are complaining about "PURPLE RAIN" being on the list, let alone #3. How do you make the argument that that is an R & B album? It isn't. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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