BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight, I have to say that 99.999% of the time I agree with you, but this is that 0.1% that I have to respectfully disagree.

For me, the beginning of the end for Ciara was when they kept trying to market her as the next Aaliyah after her tragic death. Then, she went and did this nonsense that is extreme even by Maxim/Blender standards:



Why?!?!? For what reason was this photo spread even remotely necessary? There's a fine line between sexy and slutty and she's teetering on it with the photos in that issue. I still don't see the reason she felt the need to be completely naked in Vibe (King...maybe; but Vibe? ). I really hope that she isn't upset when people see her more for her sexy image than for the music she makes, which seems to be the case more and more with many female artists nowadays. Why anyone wants to be seen as just another pretty face with nice curves instead of a real talented artist is something I don't think I'll ever fully understand.


I just don't understand why female artists feel the need to have to lower themselves to this just to get attention. If the music is good, than how an they look should just be an additional perk. Maybe I don't get it because like James said, "It's a Man's World", because why would a woman really care about seeing another woman parade around half-naked when they can do that for free in front of their mirrors at home. It's like the images of female artists are being marketed to men which is weird to me, because I don't know to many guys who are going to be jammin' Ciara like that...now they may be doing nasty things to that Vibe issue, but I doubt they will be buying the album as mood music while doing these 'safe sex' procedures.

I can't blame Justin for this photo shoot, just like I can't blame him for many other things listed.

Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson - does a song with Timberlake - can't give away his CDs

50 did alot of songs with other artists on that album from what I remember, so I can't really blame just Justin, plus, the song he did with Justin and Timbaland {"Ayo"} is actually not all that bad and didn't completely flop from what I remember.

Rihanna - does a song with Timberlake...we all know this one...

'Rehab' was doing pretty good before Rihanna got beat down by Chris Brown. Her taking Chris back soo shortly after he jacked her up is what's really hurting her career...let's be fair now.

T.I. did a song with Timberlake - gun scandal.

'My Love' was a huge hit for both Justin and T.I. and T.I. has admitted that he brought all those problems on himself in more than one interview and on his show, "Road to Redemption" on MTV. He knew he shouldn't have been packing guns because he had priors on him, so his gun scandal is really his fault...everyone should be held accountable for their own bad decisions and he's fully aware that he screwed himself on this one.

The only one that I agree with is Janet, but I can only half agree with it, because from many stories I heard, it was a last minute decision made by Janet and that Justin was dumb enough to agree to do. Personally, I'm more mad at the media for blowing up the whole 2 second nipple slip..it was two seconds; I'd seen longer nipple slips during red carpet events. They both apologized and I still don't know why they did, because the same people bitching about the incident were probably the some ones who allowed their precious innocent youngsters to watch Kid Rock wearing the American flag like a poncho and hurling swear words, Diddy groping all his female dancers, and Nelly grabbing his crotch all prior to the nipple slip, so I really didn't get the double standard there...still don't.

I think people were just hating on Michael at this time (his trial was still in progress if I remember correctly) and this incident gave them another Jackson to hurl their animosities at. That whole half-time show was over-sexed and lewd from the beginning and not a single one of these guys stuck up for Janet either, so I can't just blame Justin for not backing her when she didn't get backed by any of them. They all allowed her to take the fall for a production that was not kid-friendly at any point. I love Janet to death, but her lack of success nowadays is more because she keeps allowing Jermaine Dupri to fuck up her songs (ain't no love that deep, JJ...dump the troll). "Damita Jo" was a weak follow-up to "All for You" and doesn't even come close to the level of "Velvet Rope", but that's just my opinion.

He managed to get a Grammy nod with Madonna for "4 minutes" and I still don't see how, because that song was mediocre at best..."Miles Away" is 10 times better than "4 minutes" to me.

Now, had you have talked about Justin's movies, than I would be agreeing with you. The only films he's done that I like are "Black Snake Moan" and "Alpha Dog", but one is based off of true events and all the people are still alive, so he could interview them and get that character down and the other is really out there...music is good though and it's got Sam Jackson in it; 'nough said. "Love Guru" and "Shrek 3" were both absolutely awful, but for lots of reasons, not just because of Justin's presence.

Even though he has his prick moments, he's an intelligent, hard working person who is trying to grow as an artist instead of paying others to do all the difficult parts for him (unlike several of his counterparts who get tons of undeserved praise *cough*Britney*cough* ). If people don't like him for the Janet thing and because he was in a boyband, that's their choice, but be fair and place the blame on the right person.

As for the song, I heard the original that was just him and didn't hate or love it really. It's alright, but nothing amazing. I like her single "Never Ever" way better than "Love Sex Magic" personally, even though it's a altered cover. Video-wise, it's not original at all, but it shows off her dance skills, flexibility, and it's fun and pretty...sexy. I think that she's trying to strike while the whole Rihanna controversy is still ongoing and because many people are getting sick of Beyonce. As long as she doesn't do anymore tacky magazine covers like the Vibe one, she may have a shot at hitting really big this time. Just my
[Edited 3/26/09 14:13pm]

BlaqueKnight, I have to say that 99.999% of the time I agree with you, but this is that 0.1% that I have to respectfully disagree.

viciuzurban said:

....uproar?

It's a motherfucking Ciara video.

Jesus.

It's boring, unoriginal and the song is LAME.

JT's lack of interest makes Ciara look like she's trying way too hard.

Bad.

She should've stuck with the look and sound she had for the Promise video.

BlaqueKnight said:

the thing is though all the artists mentioned chose him as a career saver, well at least for a HUGE boost in their popularity, regardless of what we think of him, thats why they choose him

estelle81 said:

I was semi-joking. The semi being about him being a jinx.
The part about him wanting to be a "black cat" - nosomuch. I do think he wants to "be black" without "being black" but that's for another thread.
I'll be serious for a second. The video is pretty cool; nothing spectacular and nothing terrible. The song: while the track is very "Justin", the VOCAL ARRANGEMENT IS VERY, VERY, VERY JANETESQUE. I honestly don't think Ciara could put up a legitimate argument about trying to become the next Janet as she has done several songs that sound like her.
Now before anyone comments - Yes, I have heard the original (the version Justin did without Ciara). So, I will safely say that Justin AND Ciara bit off Janet's style. I'm not putting it all on Ciara with this song, although it stands to reason that if you have multiple songs that sound like another artist's work, than you are influenced heavily by that artist. Justin and Ciara are both swagger jackers. Ciara is desperate. I'm sure her label is on her ass like Billy was on The Kid in Purple Rain.
[Edited 3/30/09 10:57am]

Roger did it first in '79

hmm,

her line backer frame gives Terry Crews a run for his money!

Ciara, our favorite alleged hermaphrodite!

I'm digging the afro wig...

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