Abnormally Attracted to Sin will be released on May 19, 2009!!!!!

1. ‘Give’
2. ‘Welcome to England’
3. ‘Strong Black Vine’
4. ‘Flavor’
5. ‘Not Dying Today’
6. ‘Maybe California’
7. ‘Curtain Call’
8. ‘Fire to Your Plain’
9. ‘Police Me’
10. ‘That Guy’
11. ‘Abnormally Attracted to Sin’
12. ’500 Miles’
13. ‘Mary Jane’
14. ‘Starling’
15. ‘Fast Horse’
16. ‘Ophelia’
17. ‘Lady in Blue’


Check out a full interview from Spinner here:
http://undented.com/news/...lease-date
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I'm to the point with her that I will pick up anything she puts out. I have almost all her albums now, with the exception of Little Girls. I think I have the rest though. I can't find my copy of Beekeper though and I'm not sure if I revisit it I will care

Hey Sass, do you relate to her on the level she talks about in that article? I don't know if you're still exploring something outside your normal comfort levels but I was interested to see if she is a catalyst of sorts for questioning authority and exploring your values.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

i absolutely relate to what she's saying.

Often she'll say something I disagree with, be it politically or spiritually or socially, but because I respect her I'm forced to investigate what she's saying. I can't just dismiss something a person says because i disagree with it on it's face...i may misunderstand the true meaning of a term or concept and i won't learn about that until i look into it.

That said, i've traded in my Bible for my Self Respect. That's not to say Jesus doesn't have a lot of brilliant ideas but I think the religion that has been built upon his ideas has manipulated those concepts and used them for enslavement. So yeah, I totally get what she's saying here.

to add to that, though...i don't believe we have "a lot of the problems we have today" because of religion's intolerance. I believe we have a lot of the problems we have today because of man's need to constantly control others, be it through religion, politics, social status, whichever.

We live in a society that demands being part of a collective and when you strip (or try to strip) man from his individualism, you get nothing but we have today. Hence my signature these days.

sassybritches said:

I spent 10 years ripping the church out of my head and another 10 finding my true faith and God. I am the most comfortable with Christ that I've ever been. I think you can get there too

Thanks for the information. I'm a big fan of Tori.
I know she has a lot to say about politics or religion but I don't necessarily always analyze that too much. I just enjoy the music.
I agree that there's an intolerance to religion, but there also good things that come from religion and spirituality.
Also, all religions are not created equal. They are some spiritual belief systems that are a lot more intolerant than others. So I don't think we should paint all religions or all religious believers with one broad stroke.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

oh, i'm cool. no worries! all in all, i'm the happiest i've ever been in my life. once i get back to California, i'll be very satisfied. not content...never content...but definitely satisfied.

though i appreciate Christ's message, i'm much more in tune with Objectivism and Ayn Rand's philosophy on life. It's not perfect and I see some flaws but, generally speaking, that woman was on to something!

sassybritches said:

I still have to pick up Atlas Shrugged

TotalAlisa said:

RipHer2Shreds said:

Wait, did she say that in another thread? You have no idea how bad I want to replay Clockwork Orange with TotalAlisa strapped down being forcefed everything she hates

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it's my favorite book of all time but, sweetheart, you're living in it.

but for an easy and quick intro to her ideas, pick up The Virtue of Selfishness. It's a collection of essays that focus on particular areas, such as compromise, religion, economics, love. it's a nice intro to Objectivism and makes Atlas Shrugged a much more clear read.

sassybritches said:

I have a feeling I won't find her writings controversial or too complex. I'll probably relate completely

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it's not controversial in the slightest. her writings are very logical, rational, and fair. what is controversial to me is that she is not discussed on college campuses.

I'm not real big on Ayn Rand and her philosophies. I don't believe in her theory of every person for themselves. I believe that the world is a community and we have to take care of each other.
Also her views on gender roles are very problamatic to me. She didn't fully support equal rights for women because she thought they were psychologically different from men.
Also, she was against homosexuality which is something I could never support.

Glindathegood said:

sources, sources, sources please. she believed in survival of the fittest and held no regard to gender, sexuality, or race. in fact, she wrote essays on this sort of subject, explaining that people who use such things against others are doing it out of fear or anger or jeolousy.

i find it highly difficult to believe she's on the record making statements that suggest she's sexist or disliked gays.
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In 1971, Rand published The New Left, a collection of essays which attacked feminism and the sexual liberation movements, including the gay rights movement. Rand called them "hideous" for their demand for what she considered "special privileges" from the government. She addressed homosexuality in the course of an attack on feminism, writing that "[T]o proclaim spiritual sisterhood with lesbians... is so repulsive a set of premises from so loathsome a sense of life that an accurate commentary would require the kind of language I do not like to see in print.

In a 1971 speech at the Ford Hall Forum, Rand declared her belief that homosexuality was immoral, saying that "there is a psychological immorality at the root of homosexuality" because "it involves psychological flaws, corruptions, errors, or unfortunate premises", and that in her sincere opinion it was "disgusting" She followed these assertions by saying the government had no right to prohibit homosexual behavior, though.

She has said that the essence of a woman is hero worship and is to look up to men. She also said that no woman could enjoy being President since she would have to be in charge of men and women are supposed to worship men not rule them.

I don't believe in survival of the fittest, it just sound so cruel and inhumane. We're human beings who should make the effort to love and care about one another, not animals.

Glindathegood said:

I have to read that for myself because A) ayn rand was an atheist and "spiritual sisterhood" seems like an odd idea for an atheist B) the heroines of her books are always in leadership positions. for instance, Dagny who is the protaganist in Atlas Shrugged, runs the business and leads all the men. when she doesn't lead them, they bring themselves to destruction. honestly, it sounds more like her words are being misrepresented or taken out of context in some way.

as for special rights for women or gays, i'm right there with her. i don't think anyone deserves special rights, just equal rights. her belief that government should keep away from prohibiting lifestyles shows me that, even if she disagreed with homosexuality, she wouldn't demand one live their life in a manner she deems appropriate. to do so would be to go against the core of objectivism.

objectivism is a philosophy and while ayn rand mayhave introduced the world to that philosophy, one does not need to equate ayn rand's personal opinion with the concepts and notions behind objectivism. i've read very little of ayn rand's personal life because it has no effect on my feelings towards objectivism. so, basically, if she didn't like gays...who cares?
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What is a special right? The term special right is often used by homophobes when gay people ask for equal rights. I don't know of any gay activists who have asked for special rights.
Some homophobes say that laws to criminalize anti-gay violence is somehow a special right. It isn't.

Glindathegood said:

violence, as a whole, should be criminalized. violence against a straight person for their money is not worse than violence against a gay person because of their sexual orientation. violent crimes should have strong consequences regardless of who is the victim.

fuck!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Sweetness ~ you don't just "pick up" Atlas Shrugged. You immerse in it, then read it again to find out what the Hell you just read. Then you read about and pay private homage to the woman who wrote it. I will send you a copy ~ orgnote me your addy.

oh, that looks exciting! the first post anyway

errant said:

the official release date is 19 May!

MoonSongs said:

It's been recommended to me but I suppose this is the right time for me to immerse myself in it!


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A lot of these don't read like Tori song titles, but that can often be the case before hearing a new album.

I'm so geeked right now I can't even stand myself. That cover is straight up glam.

TRON said:

SO thinking of your brother right now

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TRON said:

that was my first impression too

like huh?

The title comes across as too didactic for me. I like her messages, but when they are wrapped up in poetry and music

TRON said:

What, her hair?