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PrintableI think Stuart Price is brilliant when it comes to remixing songs in the studio or producing new songs. I wouldn't mind Madonna working with him on a future album.
However, I don't think he's that good at doing live versions of the songs for her tours. He's more of a dj, and not such a great live musician. I liked Kevin's live versions much better than what Stuart did. I like how Kevin incorporated more of a band sound with a better drum kit on Sticky and Sweet as compared to the more computerized things Stuart did on the tours he was the musical director. | |
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LiveToTell86 said: I think Stuart Price's remixes are hit and miss. Many criticize him for "sucking the life out of classics" and I have to say he did that with the likes of "Papa Don't Preach" or "Holiday". For other songs, he basically didn't do anything notable, "Vogue" RIT is like the TIC version with a worse drum set, same for "Like A Virgin", it's very close to the album version still.
On the other hand, I worship "Music Inferno" and the "Lucky Star" / "Hung Up" mash-up and of course the "Erotica" mix is pretty cool too. And while "Express Yourself" RIT is basically the TIC version with a marching beat, somehow it doesn't sound outdated, like the Shep mix. I must say Kevin Antunes did a much better job, "Vogue", "Into The Groove" & "Like A Prayer" on Sticky & Sweet pretty much walk over Stuart's reinventions. Also, many complain that S&ST "Ray Of Light" is the same version, but if you listen carefully, the drums are accentuated, while on the DWT version they are almost nonexistant. I agree Antunes did some amazing (!!!) mixes as well. Genius is LAP, Into the Groove. | |
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Glindathegood said: I think Stuart Price is brilliant when it comes to remixing songs in the studio or producing new songs. I wouldn't mind Madonna working with him on a future album.
However, I don't think he's that good at doing live versions of the songs for her tours. He's more of a dj, and not such a great live musician. I liked Kevin's live versions much better than what Stuart did. I like how Kevin incorporated more of a band sound with a better drum kit on Sticky and Sweet as compared to the more computerized things Stuart did on the tours he was the musical director. i wish they would have kept Michael Bland on the DWT You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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graecophilos said: LiveToTell86 said: I think Stuart Price's remixes are hit and miss. Many criticize him for "sucking the life out of classics" and I have to say he did that with the likes of "Papa Don't Preach" or "Holiday". For other songs, he basically didn't do anything notable, "Vogue" RIT is like the TIC version with a worse drum set, same for "Like A Virgin", it's very close to the album version still.
On the other hand, I worship "Music Inferno" and the "Lucky Star" / "Hung Up" mash-up and of course the "Erotica" mix is pretty cool too. And while "Express Yourself" RIT is basically the TIC version with a marching beat, somehow it doesn't sound outdated, like the Shep mix. I must say Kevin Antunes did a much better job, "Vogue", "Into The Groove" & "Like A Prayer" on Sticky & Sweet pretty much walk over Stuart's reinventions. Also, many complain that S&ST "Ray Of Light" is the same version, but if you listen carefully, the drums are accentuated, while on the DWT version they are almost nonexistant. I agree Antunes did some amazing (!!!) mixes as well. Genius is LAP, Into the Groove. i think this was the best performance of Like A Prayer, even better than BAT. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: graecophilos said: I agree Antunes did some amazing (!!!) mixes as well. Genius is LAP, Into the Groove. i think this was the best performance of Like A Prayer, even better than BAT. yeah, performance, remix, everything great. She should have released the mix to the clubs!!! | |
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Glindathegood said: SoulAlive said: After all the trouble she went through adopting David,I wonder why she tried to adopt in Malawi again? There are many other poor areas in Africa where she could have adopted without any problems,such as Ethiopia. I think it's because she feels committed to Malawi because of her charity. I really think she has an attachment to the country and the people and the culture. Everyone says she's so hard hearted. But in this case I think she was following her heart and not logic. Logically, I agree it would have been better and easier for her if she adopted from another African country. Malawi is one of the most corrupt African countries and has a reputation for being a soft touch when it comes to skirting round inconvenient laws. This is the reason Madonna targeted there. And there are HUNDREDS of less wealthy couples who have been denied the right of adoption. Here in the UK, the MP Oona King tried to adopt a child from Malawi years ago, visited there several times and was denied. Most people would see her as a much better potential mother than Madonna, yet she was refused. Significantly, MPs don't make much money. Madonna BOUGHT that first baby, plain and simple. Why they've decided to uphold the rule of law now is anyone's guess. Perhaps her galivanting around with married baseball players and twenty-two-year-old toy boys means the bribery would be too obvious if they let her just waltz in there and get a new baby a second time. [Edited 4/6/09 13:22pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Glindathegood said: I think it's because she feels committed to Malawi because of her charity. I really think she has an attachment to the country and the people and the culture. Everyone says she's so hard hearted. But in this case I think she was following her heart and not logic. Logically, I agree it would have been better and easier for her if she adopted from another African country. Malawi is one of the most corrupt African countries and has a reputation for being a soft touch when it comes to skirting round inconvenient laws. This is the reason Madonna targeted there. And there are HUNDREDS of less wealthy couples who have been denied the right of adoption. Here in the UK, the MP Oona King tried to adopt a child from Malawi years ago, visited there several times and was denied. Most people would see her as a much better potential mother than Madonna, yet she was refused. Significantly, MPs don't make much money. Madonna BOUGHT that first baby, plain and simple. Why they've decided to uphold the rule of law now is anyone's guess. Perhaps her galivanting around with married baseball players and twenty-two-year-old toy boys means the bribery would be too obvious if they let her just waltz in there and get a new baby a second time. [Edited 4/6/09 13:22pm] omg! you're a Briton! | |
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ehuffnsd said: graecophilos said: I agree Antunes did some amazing (!!!) mixes as well. Genius is LAP, Into the Groove. i think this was the best performance of Like A Prayer, even better than BAT. Its difficult to be able to say how much of the S&S stuff was directly Antunes, and how much was DJ Inferno (Id say Into the Groove was more down to him). I like that Kevin brought a bit more oomph to her sound, but i was still disappointed by the lack of a bass player and percussionist. That said, Vogue, Into The Groove & Like A Prayer were all inspired reinventions of her songs. Stuart is a bit hit and miss - but did some brilliant versions of her stuff, and his ability to build songs, and sets in a cohesive manner was excellent. Id welcome both he and Mirwais back production wise - in fact id love for him, mirwais and Pharrell to do her next record. She should write a bunch of songs with Pat Leonard, a bunch of stuff with Joe Henry, and get these guys to produce it. It would be a win win situation. | |
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CrozzaUK said: ehuffnsd said: i think this was the best performance of Like A Prayer, even better than BAT. Its difficult to be able to say how much of the S&S stuff was directly Antunes, and how much was DJ Inferno (Id say Into the Groove was more down to him). I like that Kevin brought a bit more oomph to her sound, but i was still disappointed by the lack of a bass player and percussionist. That said, Vogue, Into The Groove & Like A Prayer were all inspired reinventions of her songs. Stuart is a bit hit and miss - but did some brilliant versions of her stuff, and his ability to build songs, and sets in a cohesive manner was excellent. Id welcome both he and Mirwais back production wise - in fact id love for him, mirwais and Pharrell to do her next record. She should write a bunch of songs with Pat Leonard, a bunch of stuff with Joe Henry, and get these guys to produce it. It would be a win win situation. I thought it was DJ Enferno..?? Who by the way mixed the greatest dance set I've ever heard before Madonna came on stage at the Radio 1 Big Weekend show! Respect to DJ Enferno!!!  www.filmsfilmsfilms.co.uk - The internet's best movie site! | |
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CrozzaUK said: ehuffnsd said: i think this was the best performance of Like A Prayer, even better than BAT. Its difficult to be able to say how much of the S&S stuff was directly Antunes, and how much was DJ Inferno (Id say Into the Groove was more down to him). I like that Kevin brought a bit more oomph to her sound, but i was still disappointed by the lack of a bass player and percussionist. That said, Vogue, Into The Groove & Like A Prayer were all inspired reinventions of her songs. Stuart is a bit hit and miss - but did some brilliant versions of her stuff, and his ability to build songs, and sets in a cohesive manner was excellent. Id welcome both he and Mirwais back production wise - in fact id love for him, mirwais and Pharrell to do her next record. She should write a bunch of songs with Pat Leonard, a bunch of stuff with Joe Henry, and get these guys to produce it. It would be a win win situation. Jai Winding was a great MD in my opinion. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: CrozzaUK said: Its difficult to be able to say how much of the S&S stuff was directly Antunes, and how much was DJ Inferno (Id say Into the Groove was more down to him). I like that Kevin brought a bit more oomph to her sound, but i was still disappointed by the lack of a bass player and percussionist. That said, Vogue, Into The Groove & Like A Prayer were all inspired reinventions of her songs. Stuart is a bit hit and miss - but did some brilliant versions of her stuff, and his ability to build songs, and sets in a cohesive manner was excellent. Id welcome both he and Mirwais back production wise - in fact id love for him, mirwais and Pharrell to do her next record. She should write a bunch of songs with Pat Leonard, a bunch of stuff with Joe Henry, and get these guys to produce it. It would be a win win situation. Jai Winding was a great MD in my opinion. he was - that Girlie show band was her best though. she would never choose to have a backing group like that again through....sadly. You can programme so much now - her mentality will be why pay someone to do this when we can programme it in. Half her bass lines need to be synths so i guess she figures a bass player as good as the one she had on the girlie show would be a waste of money. i think differently. Id love to hear her go back to an organic sounding band. Synths & computers should be a studio thing that never over ride live performance. Id love to see her with a horn section - songs like vogue, express yourself would be great i reckon. | |
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I agree she should work more with Joe Henry and Pat Leonard.
Henry co-wrote Don't Tell Me, Jump and Devil Wouldn't Reckognize. Three outta three hits! Pat Leonard could still provide her with haunting and dark melodies she likes so much. But when it comes to dance records I don't think they are able to bring some good stuff. I assume Jump was heavily altered, as well as Don't Tell Me. And Leonard was always the better ballad man. Anyway, I'm glad there will be two new tracks and hope for many more leaks. | |
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I want to ask you, after nearly two years since the early version of Beat Goes On leaked, I wonder if you like it now more than then or even better than the final version?
While it has a complete different production it's not really a completely different song as some reviwers claimed back then. After all the chorus is almost the same and the verses have the same chords as the album version. The "can't keep waiting" part was used later too, but not as promninent. the only things TOTALLY different are the bridge and the lyrics. All in all the album version is indeed much better. Would have been cool if they'd reworked Candy Shop too. But I like the BGO demo though! | |
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I did enjoy "BGO" when it leaked in 2007 (the "bridesmaid" part was cool, and the "instrumentation" bit) but when I first heard the Hard Candy CD, the new version completely blew me away! Mainly because the Pharrell bridge, one of the catchiest phrases ever! Since then it's one of my favourite songs on the record and on tour as well.
The chorus, while uses the same vocals, has a bit of change in the tempo, it sounds less rushed and is more effective in my opinion. The rap is a nice addition as well. As for "Candy Shop", I always laughed at the fans who were dead sure that it's just a demo and Madonna would change it (and that she was "over" it when it leaked). It's amazing how proud she is of the song, 2 years after its leak, she's gonna open almost 30 shows this summer with it! And I have to say, it was really made for a show opener. | |
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LiveToTell86 said: I did enjoy "BGO" when it leaked in 2007 (the "bridesmaid" part was cool, and the "instrumentation" bit) but when I first heard the Hard Candy CD, the new version completely blew me away! Mainly because the Pharrell bridge, one of the catchiest phrases ever! Since then it's one of my favourite songs on the record and on tour as well.
The chorus, while uses the same vocals, has a bit of change in the tempo, it sounds less rushed and is more effective in my opinion. The rap is a nice addition as well. As for "Candy Shop", I always laughed at the fans who were dead sure that it's just a demo and Madonna would change it (and that she was "over" it when it leaked). It's amazing how proud she is of the song, 2 years after its leak, she's gonna open almost 30 shows this summer with it! And I have to say, it was really made for a show opener. i've always like Candy Shop She forgets the second vers [Edited 4/7/09 17:23pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Her "Girlie Show" band was the best!
They tore up "Fever" when she stopped into SNL! One of my favorite ever performances by anyone. | |
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If they did it right they'd release the S&S dvd along with the 3-cd GH set which would include Blond Ambition.
How dope would that be? I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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ehuffnsd said: LiveToTell86 said: I did enjoy "BGO" when it leaked in 2007 (the "bridesmaid" part was cool, and the "instrumentation" bit) but when I first heard the Hard Candy CD, the new version completely blew me away! Mainly because the Pharrell bridge, one of the catchiest phrases ever! Since then it's one of my favourite songs on the record and on tour as well.
The chorus, while uses the same vocals, has a bit of change in the tempo, it sounds less rushed and is more effective in my opinion. The rap is a nice addition as well. As for "Candy Shop", I always laughed at the fans who were dead sure that it's just a demo and Madonna would change it (and that she was "over" it when it leaked). It's amazing how proud she is of the song, 2 years after its leak, she's gonna open almost 30 shows this summer with it! And I have to say, it was really made for a show opener. i've always like Candy Shop She forgets the second vers [Edited 4/7/09 17:23pm] omg her vocals in that song! 
unreal. i thought her singing was so improved on RIT and still decent on CT...but damn I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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I just thought of what rare tracks would make this GH worth owning
Erotic (From the SEX book) Up Down Suite You Thrill Me (what if she went back, a la Tori's "Take Me with You" and finished the song?) Into the Groove (original single version from 85) Secret (Junior Vasquez mix) Veras Nothing Really Matters (Club 69) Music Inferno Give it 2 Me (Oakenfold) American Life (Oakenfold) WIFLFAG (Above and Beyond) I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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CrozzaUK said: ehuffnsd said: Jai Winding was a great MD in my opinion. he was - that Girlie show band was her best though. she would never choose to have a backing group like that again through....sadly. You can programme so much now - her mentality will be why pay someone to do this when we can programme it in. Half her bass lines need to be synths so i guess she figures a bass player as good as the one she had on the girlie show would be a waste of money. i think differently. Id love to hear her go back to an organic sounding band. Synths & computers should be a studio thing that never over ride live performance. Id love to see her with a horn section - songs like vogue, express yourself would be great i reckon. I agree! The Girlie Show featured her best band ever.The drummer,Omar,was particularly impressive.That band brought new life to those songs.I wish she would do another tour like that.....with more of an emphasis on real instruments and less "programmed" sounds.The Girlie Show proved that she can do it.And yes,a horn section would be spectacular. | |
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CrozzaUK said: ehuffnsd said: i think this was the best performance of Like A Prayer, even better than BAT. Its difficult to be able to say how much of the S&S stuff was directly Antunes, and how much was DJ Inferno (Id say Into the Groove was more down to him). I like that Kevin brought a bit more oomph to her sound, but i was still disappointed by the lack of a bass player and percussionist. That said, Vogue, Into The Groove & Like A Prayer were all inspired reinventions of her songs. Stuart is a bit hit and miss - but did some brilliant versions of her stuff, and his ability to build songs, and sets in a cohesive manner was excellent. I'd welcome both he and Mirwais back production wise - in fact id love for him, mirwais and Pharrell to do her next record. She should write a bunch of songs with Pat Leonard, a bunch of stuff with Joe Henry, and get these guys to produce it. It would be a win win situation. I agree about Pharrell.I was surprised at how well the songs with him turned out.I wouldn't mind if she worked with him again,on a few songs at least. | |
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badujunkie said: ehuffnsd said: i've always like Candy Shop She forgets the second vers [Edited 4/7/09 17:23pm] omg her vocals in that song!
unreal. i thought her singing was so improved on RIT and still decent on CT...but damn She's traded in vocals for dancing on this tour. I think this is her worst tour vocally since Blond Ambition tour - she's sounded poor in most of the shows ive heard. Coincidentally its probably the most energetic she's been on tour since the Blond Ambition tour. | |
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Madonna donates to Italian earthquake fund
When a devastating earthquake struck the Abruzzo region of Italy on Monday, the mayor of the hamlet of Pacentro made an appeal for help to the granddaughter of two former townspeople. The following morning, that granddaughter responded in a big way. Madonna, whose paternal grandparents lived in Pacentro until 1919, made a 'substantial donation' for the relief effort following the 6.3 magnitude quake that left more than 200 dead, says her publicist Liz Rosenberg. The rep wouldn't give the amount, but a source says it's about $500,000. 'I am happy to lend a helping hand to the town that my ancestors are from,' Madonna tells PEOPLE. 'My heart goes out to the families that have lost loved ones or their homes.' From People.com   | |
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CrozzaUK said: She's traded in vocals for dancing on this tour. I think this is her worst tour vocally since Blond Ambition tour - she's sounded poor in most of the shows ive heard. Coincidentally its probably the most energetic she's been on tour since the Blond Ambition tour.
That sums it up perfectly. In the opening number she basically dances more than the whole DWT show for example. Oh and of course "You Must Love Me" is the necessary exception - she could not have pulled that off in the BAT era. | |
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CrozzaUK said: badujunkie said: omg her vocals in that song!
unreal. i thought her singing was so improved on RIT and still decent on CT...but damn She's traded in vocals for dancing on this tour. I think this is her worst tour vocally since Blond Ambition tour - she's sounded poor in most of the shows ive heard. Coincidentally its probably the most energetic she's been on tour since the Blond Ambition tour. I don't really think it's that...she did a bunch of dancing on the CT and RIT. And sounded fine (when she wasn't "enhanced"). I just think her singing has hit all TIME, ROCK BOTTOM with S&S. "Borderline." "Beat Goes On." "Hung Up." There are drunk ass sorority bitches who do better karaoke renditions of her shit than she did on S&S. It's annoying - it's be ONE thing she just COULDN'T sing period - but she CAN. When she TRIES, she can be a decent/average/even sometimes GOOD live vocalist. If you don't believe me anyone, check "Fever" from SNL or "Live to Tell" from WTG tour. I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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badujunkie said: CrozzaUK said: She's traded in vocals for dancing on this tour. I think this is her worst tour vocally since Blond Ambition tour - she's sounded poor in most of the shows ive heard. Coincidentally its probably the most energetic she's been on tour since the Blond Ambition tour. I don't really think it's that...she did a bunch of dancing on the CT and RIT. And sounded fine (when she wasn't "enhanced"). I just think her singing has hit all TIME, ROCK BOTTOM with S&S. "Borderline." "Beat Goes On." "Hung Up." There are drunk ass sorority bitches who do better karaoke renditions of her shit than she did on S&S. It's annoying - it's be ONE thing she just COULDN'T sing period - but she CAN. When she TRIES, she can be a decent/average/even sometimes GOOD live vocalist. If you don't believe me anyone, check "Fever" from SNL or "Live to Tell" from WTG tour. I wouldn't necessarily choose those two performances to highlight decent vocal exhibitions from her. I think her bad girl rendition from that SNL is better. Her best vocal performances are Sooner Or Later, much of the Virgin Tour, Drowned World on the DWT, Dont Tell Me on Letterman, Lament & Mother & Father on the Reinvention tour. I agree the S&S tour is a low point for her vocally - i enjoyed it a lot more than the reinvention tour though. I definitely think she sounds worse because of the dancing.....it was the main thing that struck me about this tour.....how energetic she was, particularly in the first 2 sections. | |
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Could this be the Madonna Greatest Hits set that Warners is preparing?!
Disc 1--- 4 Minutes Hung Up Miles Away Jump Die Another Day Hey You American Life American Pie Beautiful Stranger What It Feels Like For A Girl Frozen You'll See Erotica Take A Bow Deeper And Deeper Papa Don't Preach Material Girl Like A Virgin Disc 2--- Give It To Me Sorry Beat Goes On Get Together Me Against The Music Hollywood Love Profusion Music Ray Of Light Nothing Really Matters The Power Of Good-bye Justify My Love Secret Vogue I'll Remember Like A Prayer La Isla Bonita Holiday  | |
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^Probably another bootleg. The tracklist sequencing is incredibly random. | |
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badujunkie said: I just thought of what rare tracks would make this GH worth owning
Erotic (From the SEX book) Up Down Suite You Thrill Me (what if she went back, a la Tori's "Take Me with You" and finished the song?) Into the Groove (original single version from 85) Secret (Junior Vasquez mix) Veras Nothing Really Matters (Club 69) Music Inferno Give it 2 Me (Oakenfold) American Life (Oakenfold) WIFLFAG (Above and Beyond) you thrill me was finished it's called Erotica You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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"Hey You"... wtf. | |
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