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PrintableDesireeNevermind said: MuthaFunka said: Then I now have to recall Neneh's pass based on the fact her lyrical skills are garbage.  that track funky as hell....but um, what she talkin' bout? prostitution?  I don't even think SHE knows. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: viciuzurban said: a case of stfu. what are you biting at man? Uh-oh, someone's pissed cuz I called them on some bullshit  . Don't get all pissy at me, kid. This is a message board. Either you can hang when someone asks you to step up and explain your stance or sit right on the hell down, it's up to you. If you can't hang, then so be it. It is what it is.really you sound like some whiny bitch. i mean really what your fascination with the word "solid". i was pretty straighforward with what i said. the facts are the facts. | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: Uh-oh, someone's pissed cuz I called them on some bullshit . Don't get all pissy at me, kid. This is a message board. Either you can hang when someone asks you to step up and explain your stance or sit right on the hell down, it's up to you. If you can't hang, then so be it. It is what it is.really you sound like some whiny bitch. i mean really what your fascination with the word "solid". i was pretty straighforward with what i said. the facts are the facts.  I'm whining yet here YOU are obviously all mad and shit at the fact that you're unable to handle a grown-ass debate. If you can't deal with people asking you to define your stance, don't post. Simple as that. Sit this one out, son, you ain't cut out for this. Obviously.nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: viciuzurban said: really you sound like some whiny bitch. i mean really what your fascination with the word "solid". i was pretty straighforward with what i said. the facts are the facts. I'm whining yet here YOU are obviously all mad and shit at the fact that you're unable to handle a grown-ass debate. If you can't deal with people asking you to define your stance, don't post. Simple as that. Sit this one out, son, you ain't cut out for this. Obviously.Looool obviously something i said sparked a nerve. why do i need to explain my position when obviously you won’t do the same yourself? You like milking the shit out of nothing. Once again, what is your fascination with the word "SOLID"? Why don’t we talk about the REAL ISSUE here. It has nothing to do with rap. It has nothing to do with rnb. It has everything to do with race, our own racisms and the fact that we are cowards and so quick to blame others. The fact is people blame rap and hip hop for everything, the global recession, the housing crisis, the environment, the exploits of women...but really, people need to check themselves and their own kind first and foremost as to why this is the case ...people will bitch about anything these days to grab a headline and bring ridicule to their own kind, often without any shame or remorse. This article was obviously flawed and sensationalist and written and hyped up by a bitter and angry woman who is resentful at the establishment of black men and her own kind - the music was just a vehicle to do that, peripheral and secondary to her motivations. And that’s the real agenda here. Not RAP. Not RNB. If you are so quick to jump to her side and blame the exploits of your own kind on another and cannot see this position, then you’re part of the problem not the solution. you know what the truth is. the truth is that the establishment is fucked up. Im so sick of this victim mentality that is still plaguing the black community and frankly any minority group that is struggling with their own existence. It’s a disgrace. We clash within our races and gossip and oppress our own and yet what we are inherently doing is destroying ourselves. The fact is we killed ourselves and our own kind with our selfishness, our betrayals and lies and our silence. It’s not about the fact that there are more white singers who dominate the genre today or the fact that country outsells rnb. Today’s music industry doesn’t cater to those who are passive or ignorant or lazy. You don’t need to dumb yourselves down anymore to meet expectations of others or the mainstream. Rewards are given to those who work hard and pursue their craft diligently and with a purpose. And many people will recognise that. Now that an African-American is in office, there is no excuse for such childish behaviour. It’s time to make our voices heard and recognise our strengths and the contributions we have already made rather than continually try to acknowledge our failures in the most negative light. I know that that shit is hard to do because as humans we are intrinsically wired to remember the bad times, our failures more so, rather than what we have achieved in our lives and the good things we have done. So who killed the black rnb singer? We did. The time for excuses is over. | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: I'm whining yet here YOU are obviously all mad and shit at the fact that you're unable to handle a grown-ass debate. If you can't deal with people asking you to define your stance, don't post. Simple as that. Sit this one out, son, you ain't cut out for this. Obviously.Looool obviously something i said sparked a nerve. why do i need to explain my position when obviously you won’t do the same yourself? You like milking the shit out of nothing. Once again, what is your fascination with the word "SOLID"? Why don’t we talk about the REAL ISSUE here. It has nothing to do with rap. It has nothing to do with rnb. It has everything to do with race, our own racisms and the fact that we are cowards and so quick to blame others. The fact is people blame rap and hip hop for everything, the global recession, the housing crisis, the environment, the exploits of women...but really, people need to check themselves and their own kind first and foremost as to why this is the case ...people will bitch about anything these days to grab a headline and bring ridicule to their own kind, often without any shame or remorse. This article was obviously flawed and sensationalist and written and hyped up by a bitter and angry woman who is resentful at the establishment of black men and her own kind - the music was just a vehicle to do that, peripheral and secondary to her motivations. And that’s the real agenda here. Not RAP. Not RNB. If you are so quick to jump to her side and blame the exploits of your own kind on another and cannot see this position, then you’re part of the problem not the solution. you know what the truth is. the truth is that the establishment is fucked up. Im so sick of this victim mentality that is still plaguing the black community and frankly any minority group that is struggling with their own existence. It’s a disgrace. We clash within our races and gossip and oppress our own and yet what we are inherently doing is destroying ourselves. The fact is we killed ourselves and our own kind with our selfishness, our betrayals and lies and our silence. It’s not about the fact that there are more white singers who dominate the genre today or the fact that country outsells rnb. Today’s music industry doesn’t cater to those who are passive or ignorant or lazy. You don’t need to dumb yourselves down anymore to meet expectations of others or the mainstream. Rewards are given to those who work hard and pursue their craft diligently and with a purpose. And many people will recognise that. Now that an African-American is in office, there is no excuse for such childish behaviour. It’s time to make our voices heard and recognise our strengths and the contributions we have already made rather than continually try to acknowledge our failures in the most negative light. I know that that shit is hard to do because as humans we are intrinsically wired to remember the bad times, our failures more so, rather than what we have achieved in our lives and the good things we have done. So who killed the black rnb singer? We did. The time for excuses is over. I would like to say something if I may. I know that you were conversing with Mutha, but I have a couple of questions. I understand that if you recognize your own self-hatred and change so that you can love your brothers and sisters, does it or will it mitigate the fact that the white elite owns the entertainment business, and will run it the way they see it? Money is power and they know it. Another question is this: if the Jewish people did not forget their holocaust, why should blacks forget theirs, despite achievements in both groups? When I was living in NYC, the Jewish people would hold their annual memorials at Battery Park, and they would televise it. When blacks so much as bring up the past, the response is "get over it". Therefore those issues are swept under the rug. | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: I'm whining yet here YOU are obviously all mad and shit at the fact that you're unable to handle a grown-ass debate. If you can't deal with people asking you to define your stance, don't post. Simple as that. Sit this one out, son, you ain't cut out for this. Obviously.Looool obviously something i said sparked a nerve. why do i need to explain my position when obviously you won’t do the same yourself? You like milking the shit out of nothing. Once again, what is your fascination with the word "SOLID"? Why don’t we talk about the REAL ISSUE here. It has nothing to do with rap. It has nothing to do with rnb. It has everything to do with race, our own racisms and the fact that we are cowards and so quick to blame others. The fact is people blame rap and hip hop for everything, the global recession, the housing crisis, the environment, the exploits of women...but really, people need to check themselves and their own kind first and foremost as to why this is the case ...people will bitch about anything these days to grab a headline and bring ridicule to their own kind, often without any shame or remorse. This article was obviously flawed and sensationalist and written and hyped up by a bitter and angry woman who is resentful at the establishment of black men and her own kind - the music was just a vehicle to do that, peripheral and secondary to her motivations. And that’s the real agenda here. Not RAP. Not RNB. If you are so quick to jump to her side and blame the exploits of your own kind on another and cannot see this position, then you’re part of the problem not the solution. you know what the truth is. the truth is that the establishment is fucked up. Im so sick of this victim mentality that is still plaguing the black community and frankly any minority group that is struggling with their own existence. It’s a disgrace. We clash within our races and gossip and oppress our own and yet what we are inherently doing is destroying ourselves. The fact is we killed ourselves and our own kind with our selfishness, our betrayals and lies and our silence. It’s not about the fact that there are more white singers who dominate the genre today or the fact that country outsells rnb. Today’s music industry doesn’t cater to those who are passive or ignorant or lazy. You don’t need to dumb yourselves down anymore to meet expectations of others or the mainstream. Rewards are given to those who work hard and pursue their craft diligently and with a purpose. And many people will recognise that. Now that an African-American is in office, there is no excuse for such childish behaviour. It’s time to make our voices heard and recognise our strengths and the contributions we have already made rather than continually try to acknowledge our failures in the most negative light. I know that that shit is hard to do because as humans we are intrinsically wired to remember the bad times, our failures more so, rather than what we have achieved in our lives and the good things we have done. So who killed the black rnb singer? We did. The time for excuses is over.  Right! YOU sparked a nerve in ME, but YOU'RE the one whose immediate response to me questioning your whole "solid" statement was "STFU!" LMAO! Got it! 
Now, as for the rest of your post - Bravo and good for you. You want Blacks to take responsibility for themselves. Great. We got that. I think most intelligent Blacks understand that. I sure would like to see where I said "Blacks should stop blaming others," but hey, that's what people do when they decide to try and change the topic, right?  . But, preaching to the choir isn't a violation of message board rules though, so you're all good. 
Ok, so cool. We're done there. But back to this whole "solid" issue. Let me tell you how a debate works, sunshine: You made a statement. I then asked you to clarify your statement. Why? Because YOUR definition of "solid" may differ from MINE, that's why I asked you to define what YOU consider "solid" for those artists. You do realize this, don't you? Now, if you can't reply - cool - then so be it, and we'll definitely be done here. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: DesireeNevermind said: that track funky as hell....but um, what she talkin' bout? prostitution? I don't even think SHE knows. Neneh was rapping/singing against "sugar daddies" that think they can charm her with their money. | |
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viciuzurban said: So who killed the black rnb singer? We did. The time for excuses is over.
I said, early on in post 74 . . . The fault ultimately lies with the audience, if the premise that the Black Male Singer is dead, is true. If so, we have killed him.
But I don't think the premise (of the original author, not yours) is entirely true. We may have sent him to the infirmary after we put him in solitary confinement. But he's not dead yet. Seriously wounded. But not dead. He's got a chance if we give him the right attention. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: viciuzurban said: So who killed the black rnb singer? We did. The time for excuses is over.
I said, early on in post 74 . . . The fault ultimately lies with the audience, if the premise that the Black Male Singer is dead, is true. If so, we have killed him.
But I don't think the premise (of the original author, not yours) is entirely true. We may have sent him to the infirmary after we put him in solitary confinement. But he's not dead yet. Seriously wounded. But not dead. He's got a chance if we give him the right attention. With the right medicine and preparation, we can revive him. | |
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MuthaFunka said: Right! YOU sparked a nerve in ME, but YOU'RE the one whose immediate response to me questioning your whole "solid" statement was "STFU!" LMAO! Got it!
Now, as for the rest of your post - Bravo and good for you. You want Blacks to take responsibility for themselves. Great. We got that. I think most intelligent Blacks understand that. I sure would like to see where I said "Blacks should stop blaming others," but hey, that's what people do when they decide to try and change the topic, right? . But, preaching to the choir isn't a violation of message board rules though, so you're all good.
Ok, so cool. We're done there. But back to this whole "solid" issue. Let me tell you how a debate works, sunshine: You made a statement. I then asked you to clarify your statement. Why? Because YOUR definition of "solid" may differ from MINE, that's why I asked you to define what YOU consider "solid" for those artists. You do realize this, don't you? Now, if you can't reply - cool - then so be it, and we'll definitely be done here. wow we got a regular genius here. Your scrambling and interjections are pointless and empty. You talk and yet you say nothing. Dude you’re just as lame as the writer. Obviously you lack skills in comprehension or the ability to understand a context. I mean it took you the third time to actually respond to my question. Ok so you’re a little slow. I’d give you that. Your summation of my stance was a gross blindside. Try to read in between the lines the next time. Instead of trying to play petty games of political correctedness, why don’t you say what’s obviously on your mind? Or maybe you can't? It’s odd how your perception of a de bate is an interrogation, as unwarranted as it was, or the fact that you thought I cared about your position. This wasn’t a debate. Far from it. You’re somehow implying that I was checking for you. I don't read everyone's comments and then post. Yours was the last thing on my mind. Whatever random fascination you had with "solid" was comical man and its pointless bantering with you over such stupid shit. Thanks for your spirited defense of your position on this issue or lack of. namepeace said: viciuzurban said: So who killed the black rnb singer? We did. The time for excuses is over.
I said, early on in post 74 . . . The fault ultimately lies with the audience, if the premise that the Black Male Singer is dead, is true. If so, we have killed him.
But I don't think the premise (of the original author, not yours) is entirely true. We may have sent him to the infirmary after we put him in solitary confinement. But he's not dead yet. Seriously wounded. But not dead. He's got a chance if we give him the right attention. The premise of the article was this: that rap destroyed and demoralised black love - that’s the undercurrent - the topic of the black male singer was a sideline issue. now you and I both know that that assertion is shrouded in hyprocrisy and bigotry. If rap is justified as perpetuating that myth, then so is reggae, dancehall and rock. You see what I’m getting at here? People keep avoiding the real issue. The writer is an alarmist and opportunist who is using the Chris Brown and Rihanna saga as ammunition for insidious purposes. Now, let’s further extend this discussion of homophobia for a moment. Homophobia is one of the reasons, alongside feminism, as to why the black male singer is non-existent or not respected - and that is reinforced on the streets. Frankly, hypermasculinity gets old real quick and played out. Any male rnb artist on the scene today (not manufactured) is never immune from homophobic slurs or ambushes of questioning about his sexuality. Any sense of feminism or metrosexual sensitivity are met with claims of homosexual labels . I mean its really pathetic calling someone out for writing or singing a song about his emotions or singing like a girl or being a little flamboyant (id call showmanship) or whatever conclusions people jump to. we are constantly taking things out of proportion. I mean we can’t even hug a member of the same sex without it coming of suspect in the eyes of the majority. We talk about progression but really have we done that? I mean do you think the Little Richards, the Smokey Robinsons, the Tevin Campbells would fare well in this day and age? Or would they be laughed at and ridiculed for doing so? Prince? angel345 said: I would like to say something if I may. I know that you were conversing with Mutha, but I have a couple of questions. I understand that if you recognize your own self-hatred and change so that you can love your brothers and sisters, does it or will it mitigate the fact that the white elite owns the entertainment business, and will run it the way they see it? Money is power and they know it. Another question is this: if the Jewish people did not forget their holocaust, why should blacks forget theirs, despite achievements in both groups? When I was living in NYC, the Jewish people would hold their annual memorials at Battery Park, and they would televise it. When blacks so much as bring up the past, the response is "get over it". Therefore those issues are swept under the rug. First off, how old are you? And how much of this thinking is your own? This wasn’t a commentary on slavery or the oppression of blacks or a running commentary on which of the two travesties holds a monopoly over the other for our sympathies. Your audacity and arrogance is disgusting in your attempts to try to compare the two. There is nothing wrong with debating and understanding the horrific lessons of the past but hijacking a thread on that basis is uncalled for. There are plenty of forums dedicated to that level of thinking, go elsewhere. Jews hold annual memories for numerous reasons -obviously to "never forget" - but they don’t remain victims. You’re the perfect example of what I was referring to. You’re obviously buying into the writer’s rhetoric. This was a battle of the minds and something that is intrinsically in our DNA. This "us against them mentality" needs to stop. Resentment and anger does the world and your community no good. This type of gutter debate polarises people and prevents them from working together. Success is best achieved synergistically. Where has the desire in people gone? Quit sulking. Where is your level of respect gone?I am not suggesting that blacks forget their history for one bit, simply use it as motivation and ammunition to do even better for ourselves and our community. No, knowledge is power. You should know better. | |
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EVEN THE LADIES!!!!! WHAT'S THAT UNSAID RULE????? "GET OVER OR BE OVER"!!!!! IT CONTINUES TODAY IN MODERN BLACK MUSIC NO ARTISTRY LIKE THERE USED TO BE IN THE 70'S IT'S LIKE GOIN' 2 "WACKARNOLD'S" N GETTIN' A HAPPY MEAL!!!!  | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: Right! YOU sparked a nerve in ME, but YOU'RE the one whose immediate response to me questioning your whole "solid" statement was "STFU!" LMAO! Got it!
Now, as for the rest of your post - Bravo and good for you. You want Blacks to take responsibility for themselves. Great. We got that. I think most intelligent Blacks understand that. I sure would like to see where I said "Blacks should stop blaming others," but hey, that's what people do when they decide to try and change the topic, right? . But, preaching to the choir isn't a violation of message board rules though, so you're all good.
Ok, so cool. We're done there. But back to this whole "solid" issue. Let me tell you how a debate works, sunshine: You made a statement. I then asked you to clarify your statement. Why? Because YOUR definition of "solid" may differ from MINE, that's why I asked you to define what YOU consider "solid" for those artists. You do realize this, don't you? Now, if you can't reply - cool - then so be it, and we'll definitely be done here. wow we got a regular genius here. Your scrambling and interjections are pointless and empty. You talk and yet you say nothing. Dude you’re just as lame as the writer. Obviously you lack skills in comprehension or the ability to understand a context. I mean it took you the third time to actually respond to my question. Ok so you’re a little slow. I’d give you that. Your summation of my stance was a gross blindside. Try to read in between the lines the next time. Instead of trying to play petty games of political correctedness, why don’t you say what’s obviously on your mind? Or maybe you can't? It’s odd how your perception of a de bate is an interrogation, as unwarranted as it was, or the fact that you thought I cared about your position. This wasn’t a debate. Far from it. You’re somehow implying that I was checking for you. I don't read everyone's comments and then post. Yours was the last thing on my mind. Whatever random fascination you had with "solid" was comical man and its pointless bantering with you over such stupid shit. Thanks for your spirited defense of your position on this issue or lack of. The premise of the article was this: that rap destroyed and demoralised black love - that’s the undercurrent - the topic of the black male singer was a sideline issue. now you and I both know that that assertion is shrouded in hyprocrisy and bigotry. If rap is justified as perpetuating that myth, then so is reggae, dancehall and rock. You see what I’m getting at here? People keep avoiding the real issue. The writer is an alarmist and opportunist who is using the Chris Brown and Rihanna saga as ammunition for insidious purposes. Now, let’s further extend this discussion of homophobia for a moment. Homophobia is one of the reasons, alongside feminism, as to why the black male singer is non-existent or not respected - and that is reinforced on the streets. Frankly, hypermasculinity gets old real quick and played out. Any male rnb artist on the scene today (not manufactured) is never immune from homophobic slurs or ambushes of questioning about his sexuality. Any sense of feminism or metrosexual sensitivity are met with claims of homosexual labels . I mean its really pathetic calling someone out for writing or singing a song about his emotions or singing like a girl or being a little flamboyant (id call showmanship) or whatever conclusions people jump to. we are constantly taking things out of proportion. I mean we can’t even hug a member of the same sex without it coming of suspect in the eyes of the majority. We talk about progression but really have we done that? I mean do you think the Little Richards, the Smokey Robinsons, the Tevin Campbells would fare well in this day and age? Or would they be laughed at and ridiculed for doing so? Prince? angel345 said: I would like to say something if I may. I know that you were conversing with Mutha, but I have a couple of questions. I understand that if you recognize your own self-hatred and change so that you can love your brothers and sisters, does it or will it mitigate the fact that the white elite owns the entertainment business, and will run it the way they see it? Money is power and they know it. Another question is this: if the Jewish people did not forget their holocaust, why should blacks forget theirs, despite achievements in both groups? When I was living in NYC, the Jewish people would hold their annual memorials at Battery Park, and they would televise it. When blacks so much as bring up the past, the response is "get over it". Therefore those issues are swept under the rug. First off, how old are you? And how much of this thinking is your own? This wasn’t a commentary on slavery or the oppression of blacks or a running commentary on which of the two travesties holds a monopoly over the other for our sympathies. Your audacity and arrogance is disgusting in your attempts to try to compare the two. There is nothing wrong with debating and understanding the horrific lessons of the past but hijacking a thread on that basis is uncalled for. There are plenty of forums dedicated to that level of thinking, go elsewhere. Jews hold annual memories for numerous reasons -obviously to "never forget" - but they don’t remain victims. You’re the perfect example of what I was referring to. You’re obviously buying into the writer’s rhetoric. This was a battle of the minds and something that is intrinsically in our DNA. This "us against them mentality" needs to stop. Resentment and anger does the world and your community no good. This type of gutter debate polarises people and prevents them from working together. Success is best achieved synergistically. Where has the desire in people gone? Quit sulking. Where is your level of respect gone?I am not suggesting that blacks forget their history for one bit, simply use it as motivation and ammunition to do even better for ourselves and our community. No, knowledge is power. You should know better. Wow! A slap in the face, but you wouldn't think that I was some young, airheaded bimbo, or else you wouldn't say I knew better. Observation and research does wonders, and then you can convey the message. I don't need one article or a thousand to see and know that the black nation is destroyed as a people. You want to know what I really think and know? This situation goes deeper than rap and even slavery. It is a spiritual issue that will only take divine intervention to end. I can tell you much more, but I will stop. Oh yes, it goes way deep. Also, I wasn't trying to be rude or arrogant, but if you take it as such, then apologies to you. If you have a problem with my comments, then take it up with a moderator. To tell someone to go blog somewhere else, everyone is going to voice their concerns, opinions, or even facts. Therefore, it is not your place to throw such commands like that. With that, just have a nice day. | |
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The premise of the article was this: that rap destroyed and demoralised black love - that’s the undercurrent - the topic of the black male singer was a sideline issue. now you and I both know that that assertion is shrouded in hyprocrisy and bigotry. If rap is justified as perpetuating that myth, then so is reggae, dancehall and rock. You see what I’m getting at here? People keep avoiding the real issue. The writer is an alarmist and opportunist who is using the Chris Brown and Rihanna saga as ammunition for insidious purposes.
As I said in reply 22, the premise was pretextual, as the author clearly had an agenda. She uses that premise to wax alarmist about black men's failings, which include intermixing with non-black women. But she tends to come down on the side that the question she asked could be answered in the affirmative. No genre of music can be "over-credited" with the destruction of "black love." Or any similar trend. No genre of music is that big. I think the writer uses that as a jump-off point, which is what happens when you write with an unrelated agenda. Now, let’s further extend this discussion of homophobia for a moment. Homophobia is one of the reasons, alongside feminism, as to why the black male singer is non-existent or not respected - and that is reinforced on the streets. Frankly, hypermasculinity gets old real quick and played out. Any male rnb artist on the scene today (not manufactured) is never immune from homophobic slurs or ambushes of questioning about his sexuality. Any sense of feminism or metrosexual sensitivity are met with claims of homosexual labels . I mean its really pathetic calling someone out for writing or singing a song about his emotions or singing like a girl or being a little flamboyant (id call showmanship) or whatever conclusions people jump to. we are constantly taking things out of proportion. I mean we can’t even hug a member of the same sex without it coming of suspect in the eyes of the majority. We talk about progression but really have we done that? I mean do you think the Little Richards, the Smokey Robinsons, the Tevin Campbells would fare well in this day and age? Or would they be laughed at and ridiculed for doing so? Prince?
I am a child of a generation whose leading black male artists included Stevie Wonder, Al Green, Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hayes. This generation was born when cats like Ice Cube, Ice-T, Dr. Dre and Snoop ruled the scene. Hip-hop was and remains a part of my musical experience. For many of these young folk, hip-hop IS their musical experience. That's got to have an effect on what you're talking about. Prince would be a club act today. Even at the height of his game, some kid named LL Cool J called him out as part of "the Fruit Loop troupe," and who later on, dissed "AIDS catching singers." That was a shot across the bow. Maybe things will change. Maybe in the Obama Era, what was once the musical exception will cease to be the musical rule. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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BlaqueKnight said: Hmmm. The article is only as good as the source. I know who Pearl Jr is and I take anything she has to say with a grain of salt. She's an extreme feminist who bashes black men at every opportunity. She's very jaded and the tone of the article shows this as she takes several subtle digs at black males in general. Even this article is slighted so that she is placing blame on black men for associating with non-black women as being partially the root of the problem.
Since women are the largest percentage of record buyers, couldn't it just as easily be said that the decline of popularity of black male singers is due to women purchasing less music by black male singers and more by said rappers? Truth be told, there are probably just as many black male singers now as there was a few years ago. Record labels push a stereotypical image of black males by marketing this "gangsta" look, so much so to the point that it has poured over into the look of male R&B singers. Labels have effectively placed black male singers in a box labeled "balladeers" and won't let them out. This is far more about marketing and money and the delusion of choice than it is about the artists themselves. Rap didn't kill the R&B singer; labels pushed rap to the forefront because from a business perspective, rap turns a higher profit because white kids buy into the stereotype of black males more than black people do and they run out and buy those sensationalized lies those fools tell in their music. Also, the same black male singers in the 70s and 80s that dropped the love songs also dropped the political awareness songs and the party songs, so they weren't pigeonholed into only singing love songs. Now, a lot of the songs sung by black men are "Ooh baby, I'm sorry" songs and effeminized lyrics that purely cater to womens' egos and make men out to be submissive co-women instead of the singers who would pour their soul into their music without losing their masculinity. Its no wonder sales are down. Perhaps if women would support more real music and stop buying into these stereotypes, labels would have to concede in favor of making money (and they would). And I don't care what any of you say, Anthony Hamilton is a real, down home, southern soul singer. I understand not having a preference for his voice but dude is the truth when it comes to soul music. Maybe some can't understand it because they can't relate to where its coming from. [Edited 3/13/09 1:43am] Right ON. I was wondering if I was the only one here who took offense 2 the writer's over repetitive claim that Black male singers are essentially nothing without Black women. Also her writing is terrible. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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wow we got a regular genius here. Your scrambling and interjections are pointless and empty. You talk and yet you say nothing. Dude you’re just as lame as the writer. Obviously you lack skills in comprehension or the ability to understand a context. I mean it took you the third time to actually respond to my question. Ok so you’re a little slow. I’d give you that. Your summation of my stance was a gross blindside. Try to read in between the lines the next time. Instead of trying to play petty games of political correctedness, why don’t you say what’s obviously on your mind? Or maybe you can't?
It’s odd how your perception of a de bate is an interrogation, as unwarranted as it was, or the fact that you thought I cared about your position. This wasn’t a debate. Far from it. You’re somehow implying that I was checking for you. I don't read everyone's comments and then post. Yours was the last thing on my mind. Whatever random fascination you had with "solid" was comical man and its pointless bantering with you over such stupid shit. Thanks for your spirited defense of your position on this issue or lack of. Now, you went totally ballistic when I asked you a SIMPLE question, and THEN avoided it by STILL bitching asnd moaning after I asked you to man up and answer me. Weak. Dude, your shit is so fruadulent that it ain't even funny. But I do like how you're fakin' the funk and trying to get all "intelligent" in your responses after I called you out on the bullshit you're trying to sell. You know a person doesn't have shit to say when they "suggest" the person they're debating with should "read between the lines" - yeah, that makes a TON of sense...when a person doesn't know HOW to debate !
And yeah, I know this wasn't a debate...the very moment you gave that grade school response after I responded to your general-ass statement, because you had no clue that 2 people could view the same word in a very different light. This debate stuff just isn't for you, son. This we ALL see. Instead of trying to "change the topic" after you realize you can't back up your stance, try actually learning HOW to debate instead of how to stall and avoid someone. It's a weak-ass, played out way to come at a message board and you'll only get clowned for it, like what's happening now. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Check THIS fruadulent ass shit out!
wow we got a regular genius here. Your scrambling and interjections are pointless and empty. You talk and yet you say nothing. Dude you’re just as lame as the writer. Obviously you lack skills in comprehension or the ability to understand a context. I mean it took you the third time to actually respond to my question. Ok so you’re a little slow. I’d give you that. Your summation of my stance was a gross blindside. Try to read in between the lines the next time. Instead of trying to play petty games of political correctedness, why don’t you say what’s obviously on your mind? Or maybe you can't?
It’s odd how your perception of a de bate is an interrogation, as unwarranted as it was, or the fact that you thought I cared about your position. This wasn’t a debate. Far from it. You’re somehow implying that I was checking for you. I don't read everyone's comments and then post. Yours was the last thing on my mind. Whatever random fascination you had with "solid" was comical man and its pointless bantering with you over such stupid shit. Thanks for your spirited defense of your position on this issue or lack of. Now, you went totally ballistic when I asked you a SIMPLE question, and THEN avoided it by STILL bitching asnd moaning after I asked you to man up and answer me. Weak. Dude, your shit is so fruadulent that it ain't even funny. But I do like how you're fakin' the funk and trying to get all "intelligent" in your responses after I called you out on the bullshit you're trying to sell. You know a person doesn't have shit to say when they "suggest" the person they're debating with should "read between the lines" - yeah, that makes a TON of sense...when a person doesn't know HOW to debate !
And yeah, I know this wasn't a debate...the very moment you gave that grade school response after I responded to your general-ass statement, because you had no clue that 2 people could view the same word in a very different light. This debate stuff just isn't for you, son. This we ALL see. Instead of trying to "change the topic" after you realize you can't back up your stance, try actually learning HOW to debate instead of how to stall and avoid someone. It's a weak-ass, played out way to come at a message board and you'll only get clowned for it, like what's happening now. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: MuthaFunka said: Check THIS fruadulent ass shit out!
Now, you went totally ballistic when I asked you a SIMPLE question, and THEN avoided it by STILL bitching asnd moaning after I asked you to man up and answer me. Weak. Dude, your shit is so fruadulent that it ain't even funny. But I do like how you're fakin' the funk and trying to get all "intelligent" in your responses after I called you out on the bullshit you're trying to sell. You know a person doesn't have shit to say when they "suggest" the person they're debating with should "read between the lines" - yeah, that makes a TON of sense...when a person doesn't know HOW to debate !
And yeah, I know this wasn't a debate...the very moment you gave that grade school response after I responded to your general-ass statement, because you had no clue that 2 people could view the same word in a very different light. This debate stuff just isn't for you, son. This we ALL see. Instead of trying to "change the topic" after you realize you can't back up your stance, try actually learning HOW to debate instead of how to stall and avoid someone. It's a weak-ass, played out way to come at a message board and you'll only get clowned for it, like what's happening now. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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The Black Male Singer is singing Overseas and for "NonBlack" women where he is well appreciated and well paid. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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carlcranshaw said: The Black Male Singer is singing Overseas and for "NonBlack" women where he is well appreciated and well paid.
True dat..... | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: Uh-oh, someone's pissed cuz I called them on some bullshit . Don't get all pissy at me, kid. This is a message board. Either you can hang when someone asks you to step up and explain your stance or sit right on the hell down, it's up to you. If you can't hang, then so be it. It is what it is.really you sound like some whiny bitch. i mean really what your fascination with the word "solid". i was pretty straighforward with what i said. the facts are the facts.  | |
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MuthaFunka said: Check THIS fruadulent ass shit out!
wow we got a regular genius here. Your scrambling and interjections are pointless and empty. You talk and yet you say nothing. Dude you’re just as lame as the writer. Obviously you lack skills in comprehension or the ability to understand a context. I mean it took you the third time to actually respond to my question. Ok so you’re a little slow. I’d give you that. Your summation of my stance was a gross blindside. Try to read in between the lines the next time. Instead of trying to play petty games of political correctedness, why don’t you say what’s obviously on your mind? Or maybe you can't?
It’s odd how your perception of a de bate is an interrogation, as unwarranted as it was, or the fact that you thought I cared about your position. This wasn’t a debate. Far from it. You’re somehow implying that I was checking for you. I don't read everyone's comments and then post. Yours was the last thing on my mind. Whatever random fascination you had with "solid" was comical man and its pointless bantering with you over such stupid shit. Thanks for your spirited defense of your position on this issue or lack of. Now, you went totally ballistic when I asked you a SIMPLE question, and THEN avoided it by STILL bitching asnd moaning after I asked you to man up and answer me. Weak. Dude, your shit is so fruadulent that it ain't even funny. But I do like how you're fakin' the funk and trying to get all "intelligent" in your responses after I called you out on the bullshit you're trying to sell. You know a person doesn't have shit to say when they "suggest" the person they're debating with should "read between the lines" - yeah, that makes a TON of sense...when a person doesn't know HOW to debate !
And yeah, I know this wasn't a debate...the very moment you gave that grade school response after I responded to your general-ass statement, because you had no clue that 2 people could view the same word in a very different light. This debate stuff just isn't for you, son. This we ALL see. Instead of trying to "change the topic" after you realize you can't back up your stance, try actually learning HOW to debate instead of how to stall and avoid someone. It's a weak-ass, played out way to come at a message board and you'll only get clowned for it, like what's happening now. dude are you really this stupid? obviously you are. im going to be your friend here okay for the moment and try to spell it out for you since you're so slow. why do you think i responded the way i did the first time?? because.... because i don't care. i don't give a fuck about your opinion. then and now. and its reinforced by these silly games you're trying to play and your lame atttempts at counter-reasoning. wow finally dude! finally you comprehend that it was a general-ass statement - one that was general and didn't need to be explained, sliced open, put under a magnifying glass for all to see. it was GENERAL. yes boys and girls. today's letter is G! G for GENRERAL. comical man. and you got the audacity to lecture me on a debate? pffffft just lame. you keep hitting back with nonsense. you know what the real issue is - its that you got your head shoved so far up your ass you like the sound of your own voice and when people's general views don't correlate with your own you get defensive and getting your friends around to try to back up what you say is low even for you. and as far as changing topics? laaaamme. did you got to a public school or something? go reread the article again. maybe a third or fourth time. and then come at me again. with substance rather than just buckets of water. are you and the writer related somehow? [Edited 3/16/09 18:42pm] | |
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angel345 said: viciuzurban said: First off, how old are you? And how much of this thinking is your own? This wasn’t a commentary on slavery or the oppression of blacks or a running commentary on which of the two travesties holds a monopoly over the other for our sympathies. Your audacity and arrogance is disgusting in your attempts to try to compare the two. There is nothing wrong with debating and understanding the horrific lessons of the past but hijacking a thread on that basis is uncalled for. There are plenty of forums dedicated to that level of thinking, go elsewhere. Jews hold annual memories for numerous reasons -obviously to "never forget" - but they don’t remain victims. You’re the perfect example of what I was referring to. You’re obviously buying into the writer’s rhetoric. This was a battle of the minds and something that is intrinsically in our DNA. This "us against them mentality" needs to stop. Resentment and anger does the world and your community no good. This type of gutter debate polarises people and prevents them from working together. Success is best achieved synergistically. Where has the desire in people gone? Quit sulking. Where is your level of respect gone?I am not suggesting that blacks forget their history for one bit, simply use it as motivation and ammunition to do even better for ourselves and our community. No, knowledge is power. You should know better. Wow! A slap in the face, but you wouldn't think that I was some young, airheaded bimbo, or else you wouldn't say I knew better. Observation and research does wonders, and then you can convey the message. I don't need one article or a thousand to see and know that the black nation is destroyed as a people. You want to know what I really think and know? This situation goes deeper than rap and even slavery. It is a spiritual issue that will only take divine intervention to end. I can tell you much more, but I will stop. Oh yes, it goes way deep. Also, I wasn't trying to be rude or arrogant, but if you take it as such, then apologies to you. If you have a problem with my comments, then take it up with a moderator. To tell someone to go blog somewhere else, everyone is going to voice their concerns, opinions, or even facts. Therefore, it is not your place to throw such commands like that. With that, just have a nice day. i think if you recall, you were the one that asked for my opinion. trying to hijack this thread on the basis that black slavery and the holocaust are two identitical things is totally out of hand and uncalled for. thats the issue i had with you. and the tone and deliberate way in which you conveyed your argument was the basis for why i reacted so harshly. now i truly believe that you don't have extreme views such as these, you was trying to make a point but it was flawed - dragging things in and out of context. as for you should know better comment, knowledge, not money, is power. come back i want to know your views on spirituality. | |
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guitarslinger44 said: viciuzurban said: really you sound like some whiny bitch. i mean really what your fascination with the word "solid". i was pretty straighforward with what i said. the facts are the facts. He's WELL BEYOND MAD! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: Check THIS fruadulent ass shit out!
Now, you went totally ballistic when I asked you a SIMPLE question, and THEN avoided it by STILL bitching asnd moaning after I asked you to man up and answer me. Weak. Dude, your shit is so fruadulent that it ain't even funny. But I do like how you're fakin' the funk and trying to get all "intelligent" in your responses after I called you out on the bullshit you're trying to sell. You know a person doesn't have shit to say when they "suggest" the person they're debating with should "read between the lines" - yeah, that makes a TON of sense...when a person doesn't know HOW to debate !
And yeah, I know this wasn't a debate...the very moment you gave that grade school response after I responded to your general-ass statement, because you had no clue that 2 people could view the same word in a very different light. This debate stuff just isn't for you, son. This we ALL see. Instead of trying to "change the topic" after you realize you can't back up your stance, try actually learning HOW to debate instead of how to stall and avoid someone. It's a weak-ass, played out way to come at a message board and you'll only get clowned for it, like what's happening now. dude are you really this stupid? obviously you are. im going to be your friend here okay for the moment and try to spell it out for you since you're so slow. why do you think i responded the way i did the first time?? because.... because i don't care. i don't give a fuck about your opinion. then and now. and its reinforced by these silly games you're trying to play and your lame atttempts at counter-reasoning. wow finally dude! finally you comprehend that it was a general-ass statement - one that was general and didn't need to be explained, sliced open, put under a magnifying glass for all to see. it was GENERAL. yes boys and girls. today's letter is G! G for GENRERAL. comical man. and you got the audacity to lecture me on a debate? pffffft just lame. you keep hitting back with nonsense. you know what the real issue is - its that you got your head shoved so far up your ass you like the sound of your own voice and when people's general views don't correlate with your own you get defensive and getting your friends around to try to back up what you say is low even for you. and as far as changing topics? laaaamme. did you got to a public school or something? go reread the article again. maybe a third or fourth time. and then come at me again. with substance rather than just buckets of water. are you and the writer related somehow? [Edited 3/16/09 18:42pm] FULL TRANSLATION: "Yeah, I pissed because you called me out and I have no true response nor can I debate this intelligently...so what? Fuck off!" - nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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namepeace said: The premise of the article was this: that rap destroyed and demoralised black love - that’s the undercurrent - the topic of the black male singer was a sideline issue. now you and I both know that that assertion is shrouded in hyprocrisy and bigotry. If rap is justified as perpetuating that myth, then so is reggae, dancehall and rock. You see what I’m getting at here? People keep avoiding the real issue. The writer is an alarmist and opportunist who is using the Chris Brown and Rihanna saga as ammunition for insidious purposes.
As I said in reply 22, the premise was pretextual, as the author clearly had an agenda. She uses that premise to wax alarmist about black men's failings, which include intermixing with non-black women. But she tends to come down on the side that the question she asked could be answered in the affirmative. No genre of music can be "over-credited" with the destruction of "black love." Or any similar trend. No genre of music is that big. I think the writer uses that as a jump-off point, which is what happens when you write with an unrelated agenda. Now, let’s further extend this discussion of homophobia for a moment. Homophobia is one of the reasons, alongside feminism, as to why the black male singer is non-existent or not respected - and that is reinforced on the streets. Frankly, hypermasculinity gets old real quick and played out. Any male rnb artist on the scene today (not manufactured) is never immune from homophobic slurs or ambushes of questioning about his sexuality. Any sense of feminism or metrosexual sensitivity are met with claims of homosexual labels . I mean its really pathetic calling someone out for writing or singing a song about his emotions or singing like a girl or being a little flamboyant (id call showmanship) or whatever conclusions people jump to. we are constantly taking things out of proportion. I mean we can’t even hug a member of the same sex without it coming of suspect in the eyes of the majority. We talk about progression but really have we done that? I mean do you think the Little Richards, the Smokey Robinsons, the Tevin Campbells would fare well in this day and age? Or would they be laughed at and ridiculed for doing so? Prince?
I am a child of a generation whose leading black male artists included Stevie Wonder, Al Green, Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hayes. This generation was born when cats like Ice Cube, Ice-T, Dr. Dre and Snoop ruled the scene. Hip-hop was and remains a part of my musical experience. For many of these young folk, hip-hop IS their musical experience. That's got to have an effect on what you're talking about. Prince would be a club act today. Even at the height of his game, some kid named LL Cool J called him out as part of "the Fruit Loop troupe," and who later on, dissed "AIDS catching singers." That was a shot across the bow. Maybe things will change. Maybe in the Obama Era, what was once the musical exception will cease to be the musical rule. great sentiments. i agree completely. You’re one of the most intelligent heads in this discussion who is really getting at the heart of the problem. what is essential and needed more these days is education, not in the literal sense but an open dialogue. we constantly need to ask questions and dispell the myths about hip hop as just one dimensional, divisive and cancerous. there's more to it than just that. we need to discuss more accountabiliity for our actions and examine ourselves and our culture rather than internalising. and that begins with discrediting and discounting arguments from writers such as this. too many people buy into bullshit like its pre-made and packaged. | |
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MuthaFunka said: viciuzurban said: dude are you really this stupid? obviously you are. im going to be your friend here okay for the moment and try to spell it out for you since you're so slow. why do you think i responded the way i did the first time?? because.... because i don't care. i don't give a fuck about your opinion. then and now. and its reinforced by these silly games you're trying to play and your lame atttempts at counter-reasoning. wow finally dude! finally you comprehend that it was a general-ass statement - one that was general and didn't need to be explained, sliced open, put under a magnifying glass for all to see. it was GENERAL. yes boys and girls. today's letter is G! G for GENRERAL. comical man. and you got the audacity to lecture me on a debate? pffffft just lame. you keep hitting back with nonsense. you know what the real issue is - its that you got your head shoved so far up your ass you like the sound of your own voice and when people's general views don't correlate with your own you get defensive and getting your friends around to try to back up what you say is low even for you. and as far as changing topics? laaaamme. did you got to a public school or something? go reread the article again. maybe a third or fourth time. and then come at me again. with substance rather than just buckets of water. are you and the writer related somehow? [Edited 3/16/09 18:42pm] FULL TRANSLATION: "Yeah, I pissed because you called me out and I have no true response nor can I debate this intelligently...so what? Fuck off!" - now who's the bigger man? fuck off kid. you got nothing. every remark you've made so far is far from intelligent - you can't even word yourself properly so that people will take you seriously. its no wonder i don't want to get into debate with you because you're so predictable. noob. | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: FULL TRANSLATION: "Yeah, I pissed because you called me out and I have no true response nor can I debate this intelligently...so what? Fuck off!" - now who's the bigger man? fuck off kid. you got nothing. every remark you've made so far is far from intelligent - you can't even word yourself properly so that people will take you seriously. its no wonder i don't want to get into debate with you because you're so predictable. noob. TRANSLATION: "Now I better get my 'grown-man on' and try and talk like I'm 'all up on it' now since he called me out about not being able to debate..But I'm STILL pissed!" - - It's ok, kid, you won. No one here can handle your debating skills. We fall short of your brilliance.  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: viciuzurban said: now who's the bigger man? fuck off kid. you got nothing. every remark you've made so far is far from intelligent - you can't even word yourself properly so that people will take you seriously. its no wonder i don't want to get into debate with you because you're so predictable. noob. TRANSLATION: "Now I better get my 'grown-man on' and try and talk like I'm 'all up on it' now since he called me out about not being able to debate..But I'm STILL pissed!" - - It's ok, kid, you won. No one here can handle your debating skills. We fall short of your brilliance. dude you do realise the more you talk the more stupid you sound. daaang! i can talk for myself thanks. i don't need translations. | |
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viciuzurban said: MuthaFunka said: TRANSLATION: "Now I better get my 'grown-man on' and try and talk like I'm 'all up on it' now since he called me out about not being able to debate..But I'm STILL pissed!" - - It's ok, kid, you won. No one here can handle your debating skills. We fall short of your brilliance. dude you do realise the more you talk the more stupid you sound. daaang! i can talk for myself thanks. i don't need translations. Whuh?...Wow. Yeah, I now realize that I may be taking advantage of this kid. If so, my apologies. Yikes. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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