Did Rap Kill The Black Male Singer turned into Black male singers need to stay with Black women and only Black women are holding down real Black music as if that's why the Black singer died and to use Michael's half ass pr person as an example of a Black woman.... yea Michael will get a Black woman to take care of kids and shit, but he likes his beards White.
This article is shit.

Graycap23 said:

Throw the ultimate knob turner and song jacker p.diddy to the mix.

phunkdaddy said:

Now I'm insulted.....and sick.

viciuzurban said:

Define "solid" in the case you're making.

namepeace said:

That's an excellent point. It's not up to the Usher and Chris Browns to revive the Black singer, it's up to the gatekeepers of soulsingers such as Maxwell, Bilal, D'Angelo, and Anthony Hamilton to do so, and the 3 aforementioned's musical output rate is truly ridiculous.

TonyVanDam said:

Then I now have to recall Neneh's pass based on the fact her lyrical skills are garbage.

paisleypark4 said:

Yep. If I had a dollar for everytime a sista said "I wanna hear me some Maxwell" or "What happened to D'Angelo?" I'd be a rich man. In the mid-90s to Early 00s, those cats rules the airwaves, and chicks were all over it. After the big 3 (Maxwell, D', Lauryn) Neo Soulsters "left" by 2001, it opened the door for what we see now. The 2nd level Neo Soulsters like Musiq, India, and Jill couldn't hold it down after the big 3 left and then there was a backlash against Neo Soul, so music companies really strayed away from that genre as well as some of the artists within that genre; as they started to "disown" the term "Neo Soul".

namepeace said:

That was subliminal as fuck!

Cinnie said:

fault lies with the audience . . .

usher in a new generation of BMS's . . .

you'd think I was an ad executive with these subliminal messages.

they're so subliminal I didn't even realize I was SENDING them . . .

namepeace said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Fair enough, good points. You made that point clearly but I failed to read them in the context of the one I discussed.

Each of the artists you mentioned had what today's BMS's don't have.

Track records.

The Temps were one of the biggest acts around when they made "Shkey Ground".

The Isleys were very well established by the time they made "Harvest For The World" and "Fight The Power."

Michael Jackson had stacks of gold/platinum records under his belts while churning out the "Man In The Mirror"'s.

Prince. He'd had message songs early on, but as his clout increased, his political and religious messages became louder.

This goes to a point I think you've made.

The rise of hip-hop has put BMS's on the back burner. They don't have track records, and the ones who do sit for years. So they don't have the ability to develop a balanced body of work because they need to find that hit just to stay on the labels' radar screens. And if they do make different records, nobody's gonna market them because nobody cares who they are.

namepeace said:

"I resemble that remark."


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namepeace said:

BINGO.

Cinnie said:

MuthaFunka said: The 2nd level Neo Soulsters like Musiq, India, and Jill couldn't hold it down after the big 3 left and then there was a backlash against Neo Soul, so music companies really strayed away from that genre as well as some of the artists within that genre; as they started to "disown" the term "Neo Soul".[/quote]


Exactly. They just was not as good as the main crew. Im glad Erykah is doing it no matter what. I wish black female artists would take notes to Amy WInehouse and Duffy because that's what it's about right now. There are lots of black women I met that like her.

What I am interpreting from this article, the author is saying that there is no accident that rap dominates r&b. Non-black record executives have an agenda going and using rap artists to accomplish it. Does black inferiority and white supremacy rings a bell? Or divide and conquer? The reason Micheal Jackson records sell till this day is because he doesn't degrade black and minority women in his lyrics and music, nor in his videos. He sang about dangerous women and stalkers, but you'll find them across racial lines. His artistry influences diverse generations and races. He epitomizes how quality music is supposed to be, though his artistry is mainstream. These record companies are shooting themselves in the foot because after awhile, the days of degradation will go out of the window with what they're doing with rap, and it won't sell. How long will you as a minority consumer will stand this kind of mental abuse? Greedy as the industry is, they will find other avenues to make money.
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paisleypark4 said:

Erykah was in that same boat as Maxy, D', and L though until she dropped her latest joint. The EP she dropped held us over for a bit but she needed to drop a real opus on us.
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"Did Rap Kill The Black Male Singer"? Her "essay" is pure drivel.....for one it's all over the place. For another, some one should tell this young women Motown was color struck and Mr. Gaye beat every women he had an intimate relationship with. Gaye wasn't they only soulful crooner who beat women, so please. Mr. Luther Vandross could never openly admit he was gay because the Black community is sooo homophobic. The Jackson's (damn good looking family before, plastic surgery) for all their "Black pride" so hated what they saw in the mirror half of them went under the knife and believed/embrace the view of European standard of beauty. Yeah, I said it! One family member in particular (guess) so hated what he saw he fucked up his face beyond human recognition. So much for Black pride, huh?

PearlJr.said


My advice you young women silly inexperience Black females like Pearl Jr:
You should only deal with men who've proven themselves to be responsible adults..their word is their bond. Just maybe, you should get marriage first and have children later. Have as many children as YOU can afford to have and make sure you've prepared yourself for the possibility you may still have to raise that kid(s) alone. Take responsibility for your choices and decision's.
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angel345 said:

Your post misses a few big points:

1) MJ has caught a lot of flack for dancing in ways that glorify sex and for perpetuating racist lyrics and violent images. I wouldn't think of denying his talent, but to try to hold up his craft as the standard fails, in my opinion. Consider that his career also has been built on an image of weak, racial ambivalence and romantic victimhood (and, decidedly not historic, confident black masculinity -- think Paul Robeson, Isaac Hayes and Harry Belafonte, for example), and the argument fails further. MJ will always be "mainstream, but... at some considerable trade-off."

2) Asking how long minority consumers will patronize a certain type of music misses the fact that, again, most consumers of top-40 rap are white kids. I don't hear about white kids buying Rahsaan Patterson, Lisa McClendon or Rachelle Ferrell or Lalah Hathaway (the minority consumers are keeping them afloat).

The author's anti-black male bias shines through, especially in her dismissal of the larger societal picture.
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vainandy said:

You said it, not any of us in this thread.

MuthaFunka said:

Fair enough.

laurarichardson said:

True, he does have a nice voice. I never really listened to his music too much, but then my sister had a cd of his playing in her car and I don't remember which song he was singing, but I was moved by his voice.

Wait a minute. I just notice who wrote this.

This is from the same woman who was pissed off "Thriller 25" didn't make the Billboard Top 200.

ThreadBare said:

Ok, he's not perfect. He has caught criticism for "Thriller" for religious reasons and "Black And White" for sexual and racial reasons. He presented a public apology and revised "Black And White". Also he catches criticism for his androgynous look, and not marrying his own. I will grant you that. The white kids may be buying their rap albums, but it doesn't mitigate the fact that it is at the black woman's expense that it sell. The white kids know that these rappers isn't talking to them when they call them whores, the 'b' word and the 'n' word. Their videos, it speaks a thousand words. Musically, if I had to choose, I'll pick MJ over Lil Wayne and all of these rappers any day.

In related news, braggart diva's such as Beyonce, Ciara, Fergie, Nelly Furtado, etc have killed the female rapper.
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MuthaFunka said:

a case of stfu. what are you biting at man?

You know what is so funny i'm reading old jets and ebony issues from the 80's-90's and it was claiming about not enough this not enough that blah blah blah. Damn every era we complaining!

tamewar said:

It's a pattern. As long as I find the old music, I could give a damn what the "new school" does, if they survive, they will. No biggie. I might end up liking their stuff one day if they ever mature.

viciuzurban said:

Uh-oh, someone's pissed cuz I called them on some bullshit . Don't get all pissy at me, kid. This is a message board. Either you can hang when someone asks you to step up and explain your stance or sit right on the hell down, it's up to you. If you can't hang, then so be it. It is what it is.

MuthaFunka said:

that track funky as hell....but um, what she talkin' bout? prostitution?

DA HELL GOIN ON HERE??