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Why is Donna Summer Consider a sell-out? I'm reading this message board and it's about female sell-outs and people keep on pin-pointing Donna summer. Which is werid because i always consider her very soul-ful and never settling for that Whitney Houston/Diana ross sound to appeal to mainsterm, she was more rockerchick and unqiue. | |
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The link to this message board you're reading would be appreciated. | |
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The people who came up with the word sellout in the 1st place, suffer from this mentality...
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Yeah,I really hate the term "sellout".People throw that term around all the time without really explaining what it means,or what they perceive it to be.How can any pop artist be considered a "sellout" when the term "pop" is short for "popular"? | |
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Harlepolis said: The people who came up with the word sellout in the 1st place, suffer from this mentality...
.....and there you have it. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Harlepolis said: The people who came up with the word sellout in the 1st place, suffer from this mentality...
As for Donna "selling out", when has she EVER?  | |
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I didn't know she was consideed a sell-out. I always thought she was considered more of an underdog amongst classic/contemporary r&b divas. Ohh well, shows how up to date I am with this stuff  | |
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Ottensen said: I didn't know she was consideed a sell-out. I always thought she was considered more of an underdog amongst classic/contemporary r&b divas. Ohh well, shows how up to date I am with this stuff
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Never heard that she was a sell-out.....now Tiger Woods? | |
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I would give the link but it's not going to the page. I mean guess the reason is for her marrying and dating white men and never showing up to black awards  .[Edited 3/9/09 6:26am] | |
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tamewar said: I would give the link but it's not going to the page. I mean guess the reason is for her marrying and dating white men
and never showing up to black awards .
Are you referring to that interesting thread on the 'The Donna Summer Tribute Site'....the thread titled "Donna Summer has Michael Jackson Syndrome"? It deals with a commentary on race that Donna recently wrote for Ebony magazine.I'm staying far away from that thread! | |
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SoulAlive said: tamewar said: I would give the link but it's not going to the page. I mean guess the reason is for her marrying and dating white men
and never showing up to black awards .
Are you referring to that interesting thread on the 'The Donna Summer Tribute Site'....the thread titled "Donna Summer has Michael Jackson Syndrome"? It deals with a commentary on race that Donna recently wrote for Ebony magazine.I'm staying far away from that thread! No, but I'm gonna go check it out Is it a good or bad thread? | |
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SoulAlive said: Yeah,I really hate the term "sellout".People throw that term around all the time without really explaining what it means,or what they perceive it to be.How can any pop artist be considered a "sellout" when the term "pop" is short for "popular"? I love the term "sellout" because I can think of several artists it applies to. However, Donna is not one of them. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I love the term "sellout" because I can think of several artists it applies to. However, Donna is not one of them. I agree with you. I would never consider her a sellout. I think she made her own kind of music. It just happened to be "dance" music. Sure, she had some hits on all charts, but the majority of her memorable songs will be dance songs. However, you could consider Hot Stuff rock/pop. Whereas something like "Love is in control" could be considered an r&b record. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: vainandy said: I love the term "sellout" because I can think of several artists it applies to. However, Donna is not one of them. I agree with you. I would never consider her a sellout. I think she made her own kind of music. It just happened to be "dance" music. Sure, she had some hits on all charts, but the majority of her memorable songs will be dance songs. However, you could consider Hot Stuff rock/pop. Whereas something like "Love is in control" could be considered an r&b record. As long as it's considered dance music, I'm fine with it. And since the mainstream general public had the good sense and good taste to like disco in the 1970s which was dance music but it had just happened to come above ground, Donna wasn't selling out at all. It's when motherfuckers stop making dance music that they are selling out. Actually, when they stop making dance music, that's when they need someone to put their foot up their ass. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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daPrettyman said: vainandy said: I love the term "sellout" because I can think of several artists it applies to. However, Donna is not one of them. I agree with you. I would never consider her a sellout. I think she made her own kind of music. It just happened to be "dance" music. Sure, she had some hits on all charts, but the majority of her memorable songs will be dance songs. However, you could consider Hot Stuff rock/pop. Whereas something like "Love is in control" could be considered an r&b record. And "Love Is In Control" is kind of blah. Does all types of music but R&B overall has never been her thing. The first few disco albums contained a lot of soul and even some funk elements but it wasn't until "Bad Girls", an album where she not only participated in as a songwriter but she produced one of the ballads as well, that she was really hitting it. She started in a rock band, too. And after that she was doing musicals. Honestly, when Donna tries to go for the R&B audience it feels like a sell out. "Donna Summmer" only came after Geffen dismissed the more dance/pop/new wave oriented "I'm A Rainbow". Also, on first glance "Mistaken Identity" seems like just a lame attempt to jump on the New Jack bandwagon, although it turned out ok. | |
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VinnyM27 said: daPrettyman said: I agree with you. I would never consider her a sellout. I think she made her own kind of music. It just happened to be "dance" music. Sure, she had some hits on all charts, but the majority of her memorable songs will be dance songs. However, you could consider Hot Stuff rock/pop. Whereas something like "Love is in control" could be considered an r&b record. And "Love Is In Control" is kind of blah. Does all types of music but R&B overall has never been her thing. The first few disco albums contained a lot of soul and even some funk elements but it wasn't until "Bad Girls", an album where she not only participated in as a songwriter but she produced one of the ballads as well, that she was really hitting it. She started in a rock band, too. And after that she was doing musicals. Honestly, when Donna tries to go for the R&B audience it feels like a sell out. "Donna Summmer" only came after Geffen dismissed the more dance/pop/new wave oriented "I'm A Rainbow". Also, on first glance "Mistaken Identity" seems like just a lame attempt to jump on the New Jack bandwagon, although it turned out ok. Well, if you call a song with Patti Austin singing background vocals and Donna doing great vocals, blah, then ok. I love that song. Though, I think it is one of Quincy Jones' weakest projects, the music on that album is good, overall. As for "I'm A Rainbow". It was rejected by Casablanca and not Geffen. That's why "Romeo" appeared on the Flashdance soundtrack. If I'm not mistaken, I think "I'm A Rainbow" was supposed to be the followup to Bad Girls. As for the "jumping on the bandwagon", a lot of artists did that. That's why all of her later albums tend to sound trendy. The self-titled album was produced by Quincy Jones after the success of Thriller and other projects, tended to sound like whatever was hot on the charts at that time. Nothing wrong with keeping current, huh. [Edited 3/9/09 9:01am] **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said:
If I'm not mistaken, I think "I'm A Rainbow" was supposed to be the followup to Bad Girls. Really? I'm definately gonna have to buy that album then. The title is what scared me away from it. I was scared it was going to be some Judy Garland type stuff. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: Yeah,I really hate the term "sellout".People throw that term around all the time without really explaining what it means,or what they perceive it to be.How can any pop artist be considered a "sellout" when the term "pop" is short for "popular"?
Yeah, the way I see it, anyone that gets paid for what they do is a sell-out. | |
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vainandy said: daPrettyman said:
If I'm not mistaken, I think "I'm A Rainbow" was supposed to be the followup to Bad Girls. Really? I'm definately gonna have to buy that album then. The title is what scared me away from it. I was scared it was going to be some Judy Garland type stuff. I haven't heard the whole thing, but the few tracks I heard were pretty progressive for the time. Good luck finding it. I know they issued it on cd in the late 90s, but I don't think it's still in print. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Well she did allow herself to get produced by 'SAW' back in the late 80's. 'This Time I know It's For Real' and the like. 'Stock Aitken & Waterman', they produced a lot of fluff in the UK back then. Early Kylie, Rick Astley etc.
I personally hated all that plastic pop shit, it ruled our airwaves back then and was disappointed in Donna stooping so low. I'm guessing that is what this is all about, [Edited 3/9/09 10:04am] |
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I've never been a disco fan, but I always had respect for Donna. Her powerful voice alone deserves much respect.
Now who talked about her being a sell-out so I can kick the shit out of them | |
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Speaking of follow ups here Donna i think at the 1980 grammys after the disco backlash singing her ass off while kenny stands there with his annoying ass
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Harlepolis said: The people who came up with the word sellout in the 1st place, suffer from this mentality...
I love blue crabs. Don't laugh at my funk
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daPrettyman said: VinnyM27 said: And "Love Is In Control" is kind of blah. Does all types of music but R&B overall has never been her thing. The first few disco albums contained a lot of soul and even some funk elements but it wasn't until "Bad Girls", an album where she not only participated in as a songwriter but she produced one of the ballads as well, that she was really hitting it. She started in a rock band, too. And after that she was doing musicals. Honestly, when Donna tries to go for the R&B audience it feels like a sell out. "Donna Summmer" only came after Geffen dismissed the more dance/pop/new wave oriented "I'm A Rainbow". Also, on first glance "Mistaken Identity" seems like just a lame attempt to jump on the New Jack bandwagon, although it turned out ok. Well, if you call a song with Patti Austin singing background vocals and Donna doing great vocals, blah, then ok. I love that song. Though, I think it is one of Quincy Jones' weakest projects, the music on that album is good, overall. As for "I'm A Rainbow". It was rejected by Casablanca and not Geffen. That's why "Romeo" appeared on the Flashdance soundtrack. If I'm not mistaken, I think "I'm A Rainbow" was supposed to be the followup to Bad Girls. As for the "jumping on the bandwagon", a lot of artists did that. That's why all of her later albums tend to sound trendy. The self-titled album was produced by Quincy Jones after the success of Thriller and other projects, tended to sound like whatever was hot on the charts at that time. Nothing wrong with keeping current, huh. [Edited 3/9/09 9:01am] Actually Donna Summer came out before Thriller did. I forgot what month tho... | |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: Well, if you call a song with Patti Austin singing background vocals and Donna doing great vocals, blah, then ok. I love that song. Though, I think it is one of Quincy Jones' weakest projects, the music on that album is good, overall. As for "I'm A Rainbow". It was rejected by Casablanca and not Geffen. That's why "Romeo" appeared on the Flashdance soundtrack. If I'm not mistaken, I think "I'm A Rainbow" was supposed to be the followup to Bad Girls. As for the "jumping on the bandwagon", a lot of artists did that. That's why all of her later albums tend to sound trendy. The self-titled album was produced by Quincy Jones after the success of Thriller and other projects, tended to sound like whatever was hot on the charts at that time. Nothing wrong with keeping current, huh. [Edited 3/9/09 9:01am] Actually Donna Summer came out before Thriller did. I forgot what month tho... Her album came out during the summer and "Thriller" came out during the fall. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Her album came out during the summer and "Thriller" came out during the fall. Thriller was released on November 30, 1982. I just found the date DS came out (July 19). | |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: Well, if you call a song with Patti Austin singing background vocals and Donna doing great vocals, blah, then ok. I love that song. Though, I think it is one of Quincy Jones' weakest projects, the music on that album is good, overall. As for "I'm A Rainbow". It was rejected by Casablanca and not Geffen. That's why "Romeo" appeared on the Flashdance soundtrack. If I'm not mistaken, I think "I'm A Rainbow" was supposed to be the followup to Bad Girls. As for the "jumping on the bandwagon", a lot of artists did that. That's why all of her later albums tend to sound trendy. The self-titled album was produced by Quincy Jones after the success of Thriller and other projects, tended to sound like whatever was hot on the charts at that time. Nothing wrong with keeping current, huh. [Edited 3/9/09 9:01am] Actually Donna Summer came out before Thriller did. I forgot what month tho... Thanks for clarifying. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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For further clarification...
'I'm a Rainbow' was intended to be the follow-up to 1980's 'The Wanderer' (Donna's Geffen Records debut after her abrupt departure from Casablanca Records). It was indeed Geffen who rejected 'Rainbow'. And it was Geffen who insisted Donna go in a more R&B direction...enter Quincy Jones. If Donna was ever guilty of anything remotely resembling "selling out", it was obliging Geffen by working with Q. | |
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: Actually Donna Summer came out before Thriller did. I forgot what month tho... Thanks for clarifying. You're welcome. | |
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