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Thread started 03/07/09 6:57pm

Cinnie

"Does listening to Lil Wayne make you dumb?"

http://blog.inmusic.ca/in...-well.html

Does listening to Lil Wayne make you dumb?

If you're a Kanye fan you're probably smarter than a Ludacris fan who is smarter than a Lil Wayne fan who is dumber than, well, everyone. But you're not as smart as a Beatles fan who is not as smart as a…Counting Crows fan? Wait…what? That can't be right.


This is according to a not very scientific but amusing nonetheless study by geek man and Caltech student Virgil Griffith, who is mildly famous for his Wikiscanner (is it just me or does that sound a little dirty?). The study correlates musical preference with SAT scores, which may or may not accurately reflect intelligence.

The highest scoring students favoured the works of Classical/Romantic composer Beethoven while the lowest scoring preferred slurring rapper Lil Wayne.

Beyoncé ranked near the bottom and Sufjin Stevens near the top. Somewhere down the middle were Third Eye Blind, Rage Against the Machine, Outkast, Tool and the Grateful Dead.

Virgil did a similar study with books and found Nabakov's Lolita was the favourite of smarties while the not so bright enjoyed the work of a woman named Zane who (I'm a little proud to say) I had never heard of but who, according to her website, is a "New York Times Bestselling Author of several titles: Addicted, The Sex Chronicles: Shattering the Myth, Skyscraper, Nervous, Gettin’ Buck Wild: The Sex Chronicles 2, The Sisters of APF, Shame on it All, and The Heat Seekers." Uh huh.


Virg apparently said, according to the Wall Street Journal's Digits blog, “Of course there is the whole correlation is not causation thing, but, I mean, duh.”


The official sites for both studies were unavailable when last I checked but you can see 'em here.
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Reply #1 posted 03/07/09 6:58pm

Cinnie

http://beatcrave.com/2009...-you-dumb/

CalTech grad student named Virgil Griffith has conducted an interesting (albeit somewhat unscientific) study relating music preferences with SAT scores. While SAT scores are criticized for not accurately determining intelligence, the results show that the “smartest” students’ favorite musician is Beethoven, with an average SAT score of 1371, and at the other end of the spectrum is Lil’ Wayne, with an average score of 889.

Other bands at the top of the scale are Counting Crows, Radiohead, and Sufjan Stevens. Check out the full image of the results after the jump:

Surprisingly, no style of music stands out above the rest, but rather most bands fit within the 1000 to 1150 score range. Another question is whether music can be legitimately associated with smarts.

Does intelligence choose the band? Or does music define how smart we become? Where do your favorite bands appear? Do you think that music can make you dumb?

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Reply #2 posted 03/07/09 7:15pm

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This is a ver very interesting study! I never heard of such a thing..but as with society I expect people who listen to Beethoven to be "smarter" and people that listen to jazz to be more "stylish and soulful" and people that listen to rock to be more "against the world". I DO expect people who listen to most of todays rap to be less insightful about anything special in the world to be honest.


With that said...i think I like all 3 of Lil Waynes Rock tunes. Amazing Girl, Prom Queen and Hot Revolver are so much different than todays rap. It's like he's having a Kanye moment. Amazing Girl has all these weird vocal effects with auto tune and the uptempo beat with live instruments ass so much depth. Other entertainers need to take note of Puffy, Kanye and Waynes styles. They are branching out...growing.
I really do appreciate what they are doing..and not being so scared.
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Reply #3 posted 03/07/09 7:16pm

renethebrillia
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i guess lil wayne did not make me dumb and i got a perfect score on my sat's.and i studied listening to him razz
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Reply #4 posted 03/07/09 7:19pm

Timmy84

paisleypark4 said:

This is a ver very interesting study! I never heard of such a thing..but as with society I expect people who listen to Beethoven to be "smarter" and people that listen to jazz to be more "stylish and soulful" and people that listen to rock to be more "against the world". I DO expect people who listen to most of todays rap to be less insightful about anything special in the world to be honest.


With that said...i think I like all 3 of Lil Waynes Rock tunes. Amazing Girl, Prom Queen and Hot Revolver are so much different than todays rap. It's like he's having a Kanye moment. Amazing Girl has all these weird vocal effects with auto tune and the uptempo beat with live instruments ass so much depth. Other entertainers need to take note of Puffy, Kanye and Waynes styles. They are branching out...growing.
I really do appreciate what they are doing..and not being so scared.


In that case, I'm with the "against the world" types, lol.
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Reply #5 posted 03/07/09 7:21pm

Cinnie

renethebrilliant said:

i guess lil wayne did not make me dumb and i got a perfect score on my sat's.and i studied listening to him razz


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Reply #6 posted 03/07/09 7:29pm

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no princey? falloff
life's a bitch, but god forbid the bitch divorce me...

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Reply #7 posted 03/07/09 7:33pm

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punkofthemonth said:

no princey? falloff

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Reply #8 posted 03/07/09 7:36pm

Cinnie

hmmm Yeah I wonder where Prince would land on that scale?

I guess I'm smart enough to not tell someone my favorite musician is Lil Wayne though. lol
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Reply #9 posted 03/07/09 7:37pm

Cinnie

pp4 falloff
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Reply #10 posted 03/07/09 7:41pm

punkofthemonth

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paisleypark4 said:

punkofthemonth said:

no princey? falloff


i'm smart woot! dunce
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Reply #11 posted 03/07/09 8:17pm

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very true.
You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam!
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Reply #12 posted 03/07/09 10:22pm

Ottensen

renethebrilliant said:

i guess lil wayne did not make me dumb and i got a perfect score on my sat's.and i studied listening to him razz



You scored 1800????
eek
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Reply #13 posted 03/08/09 12:22am

Huggiebear

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Well I have always thought gangsta crunk rap is dumb, I mean half them are functionally illiterate they can't spell, and their grasp of culture dosen't go past designing clothes labels. A duhhh! guys
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So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time
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Reply #14 posted 03/08/09 4:44am

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Terribly flawed study. The universe of people listening to music is much much greater than the universe of people with SAT scores. There is no relationship between the nature of the music (literature or film) or who enjoys it. Study author Virgil Griffith is not that serous about his findings Of course there is the whole correlation is not causation thing, but, I mean, duh.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digi...-you-dumb/
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Reply #15 posted 03/08/09 1:07pm

angel345

In my opinion, I believe these studies should be more personality oriented than intelligence. My daughter likes Lil Wayne, and she's a 'A' student at middle school. I don't care for him nor Ludacris because I can't figure out what they're saying and they're not my cup of tea. I am more into pop, easy listening and jazz music, but I left college in 2006, didn't graduate yet with a 4.0 average. My grades were lower than that over 20 years ago because of distractions in life, and music didn't play a part in it. To add, you would be amazed that there are such young men and women out there who are Lil Wayne fans, and pulling a 'A' average in school.
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Reply #16 posted 03/08/09 3:06pm

Ottensen

angel345 said:

In my opinion, I believe these studies should be more personality oriented than intelligence. My daughter likes Lil Wayne, and she's a 'A' student at middle school. I don't care for him nor Ludacris because I can't figure out what they're saying and they're not my cup of tea. I am more into pop, easy listening and jazz music, but I left college in 2006, didn't graduate yet with a 4.0 average. My grades were lower than that over 20 years ago because of distractions in life, and music didn't play a part in it. To add, you would be amazed that there are such young men and women out there who are Lil Wayne fans, and pulling a 'A' average in school.
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That's such a classic example of the generational gap. I know my time is coming up too where eventually I'll be saying the EXACT same thing! lol
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Reply #17 posted 03/08/09 7:01pm

RodeoSchro

It has to.
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Reply #18 posted 03/08/09 7:03pm

Cinnie

RodeoSchro said:

It has to.

lol
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Reply #19 posted 03/08/09 7:22pm

RipHer2Shreds

RodeoSchro said:

It has to.

That is an incomplete sentence. Do you listen to Lil Wayne?
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Reply #20 posted 03/08/09 7:26pm

Cinnie

RipHer2Shreds said:

RodeoSchro said:

It has to.

That is an incomplete sentence. Do you listen to Lil Wayne?


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Reply #21 posted 03/09/09 4:38am

eaglebear4839

punkofthemonth said:

no princey? falloff


I take issue with this study, which doesn't mention Prince, Michael Jackson or Madonna, but does mention Relient K.
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Reply #22 posted 03/09/09 5:50am

angel345

Ottensen said:

angel345 said:

In my opinion, I believe these studies should be more personality oriented than intelligence. My daughter likes Lil Wayne, and she's a 'A' student at middle school. I don't care for him nor Ludacris because I can't figure out what they're saying and they're not my cup of tea. I am more into pop, easy listening and jazz music, but I left college in 2006, didn't graduate yet with a 4.0 average. My grades were lower than that over 20 years ago because of distractions in life, and music didn't play a part in it. To add, you would be amazed that there are such young men and women out there who are Lil Wayne fans, and pulling a 'A' average in school.
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That's such a classic example of the generational gap. I know my time is coming up too where eventually I'll be saying the EXACT same thing! lol

I had an ex-supervisor who loves the modern rap and she's in her fifties. She said her son introduce her to it. She understands every word Ludacris says eek
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Reply #23 posted 03/09/09 6:53am

RodeoSchro

RipHer2Shreds said:

RodeoSchro said:

It has to.

That is an incomplete sentence. Do you listen to Lil Wayne?


falloff Brilliant! So obviously, you do not listen to Little Wayne.
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Reply #24 posted 03/09/09 7:59am

angel345

Listening to gospel music makes you dumb? Do you see this Lord? omg
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Reply #25 posted 03/09/09 8:05am

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There are plenty of smart people listening to shit hop. Listening to it doesn't mean you are dumb, it just means you have bad taste.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #26 posted 03/09/09 8:09am

Graycap23

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Reply #27 posted 03/09/09 9:22am

Marrk

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eaglebear4839 said:

punkofthemonth said:

no princey? falloff


I take issue with this study, which doesn't mention Prince, Michael Jackson or Madonna.


For real, the most intelligent people on Earth, except for those Madonna types. They're merely tolerated. pat
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Reply #28 posted 03/09/09 10:27am

angel345

Marrk said:

eaglebear4839 said:



I take issue with this study, which doesn't mention Prince, Michael Jackson or Madonna.


For real, the most intelligent people on Earth, except for those Madonna types. They're merely tolerated. pat

I don't know about Prince's IQ, but though he seems to be very intelligent, I read that MJ's and Madonna's IQ is pretty high.
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Reply #29 posted 03/09/09 10:30am

Cinnie

angel345 said:

Marrk said:



For real, the most intelligent people on Earth, except for those Madonna types. They're merely tolerated. pat

I don't know about Prince's IQ, but though he seems to be very intelligent, I read that MJ's and Madonna's IQ is pretty high.


Except that chart is for the FANS of each, not the artist themselves.

sigh Back to the Beyonce heap with you.
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