bboy87 said:

As I was not in the US at this time, its had for me to see if "Earth song" would of worked, but honestly this was worse then "you rock my world" as a first single. Much worse. Can't see any chart action for "money", but then, I find that song average like "this time around", though at least "money" has something going for it structurally. . "Little susie" could of worked in Europe. Don't laugh but with a lavish video, it could of crossved over at xmas or something. The lullyby feel reminds me of Dutch hit "Gaia" by Valensia.

Iam often not fussed if something does not hit big chart wise, but with "They dont care about us" doing only minor damage US wise, and with the total bomb of "stranger in Moscow" (WTF were US radio stations on at this time LOL?), musta made Sony US rethink its priorities with Michael in the US. Hence its lack of marketing on "Blood on the dancefloor", which got pretty much ignored in the US. Another missed opputunity.

Not that Iam really that fussed, but its quite interesting to me how Sony US seemed to somewhat have difficulty marketing "HIStory" after "you are not alone". You still see "stranger in Moscow" on music stations in the UK sometimes even today, but in the US? That and "earth song" had hit written all over them. What a real waste

thesexofit said:

Sony completely dropped the ball with HIStory. Stranger In Moscow got NO promotion. Not to mention BOTDF and Invincible...

bboy87 said:

I managed to get my hands on a double 12" disc featuring remixes of This Time Around, and some of the remixes were amazing.

Smile was released, or at least intended to be released, as I got one of the very rare CD singles of it.

For me the big "shouldhavebeensingles" off this album were Tabloid Junkie - just a clear state of MJ's point of view of the media and a great bite back on what he had endured and catchy as all hell. And for me Money is a classic track that has a hypnotic groove and great singalong chorus.

Swa

bboy87 said:

Iam not clued up to who likes what tracks on other boards, but do most people hate "childhood" and "the lost children"?

Swa said:

You have copies of Smile? You could sell those for a pretty big chunk of money. It was to be released and a video was also made, but it was cancelled

Recently a couple of copies from the mastering sessions from Dangerous and HIStory album were on ebay and fans got their hands on them. They featured several unreleased remixes of:
Remember The Time
Black Or White
Who Is It
Scream
This Time Around
They Don't Care About Us

thesexofit said:

Childhood gets mixed reactions, but the general reaction of The Lost Children is negative

This video montage is pretty good

bboy87 said:

Not surprising I guess. I must be the only one who truly likes that song LOL

Talking of montages, I like the world music award one they did to "childhood". I think it was in 2001?

thesexofit said:

Like Jay said, mixed on "Childhood" but there's genuine hatred towards "The Lost Children" with few exceptions.

Regarding the tour,

If Michael Jackson ignores touring the US this time around as well, I'll lash out at him.



Not touring the US Since 1988- that's pathetic for a superstar like him.

He was born here and started his career here.

Just cause a bunch of losers ruined his career, doesn't mean he should shut out his American fans because of two losers- Sneddon and Arvizo Family.

Why doesn't he have that mentality- f*ck the haters, I'll do the shows for the fans that wanna come.
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thesexofit said:

I was gonna post that montage

bboy you consider 2Bad and Mony single worthy? I find them both two of the most obvious fillers on a MJ abum ever.
The HIStory album fucked up in the US, but it did really well n Europe.

seeingvoices12 said:

that's right. Seeingvoices you naed self after the unreleased MJ song?

I like Childhood. It is a fantastic Musical-like song. he did another song in this style (though not as good) - Elisabeth I Love You

graecophilos said:

I think Money definitely would have been a good single pick. And 2Bad is kicking in the original Ghost edit with that amazing dance routine - it's such a deceptively multilayered song.

Swa

Timmy84 said:

The Lost Children is pretty awful, but I've never understood the hatred towards Privacy and You Are My Life. IMO those are two of Michael's best songs on Invincible.
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shipoffools said:

Privacy is the obligatory rock-song he does since Beat It. You Are My Life is citchy as hell, but still better than Shout.

WetDream said:

no.....king. Cause he is. DA King of music.

shipoffools said:

Love 'You Are My Life.' Hate 'Privacy'

mrsnet said:

There a certain signs MJ has Jesus fantsies. On the bashir doc you can see a giant portrait of Mike with angels sourrounding him. He's dresses like Jesus is in many European drawings (only towel 'round his hips and stuff)

He does the Jesus pose quite often - stretching both arms out. He once said: Don't cry. I am here to cry" or something like this, which means he considers himself a mertyrerian (or hoewer you spell that in English).

Not to forget he did touch sick children with his glove making people believe he actually could Heal the World and the people.

spelling edit
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mrsnet said:

that's strange. I'm a big fan too, but I don't understand how people could call him the king of music.

He did produce 30 years of music (I can't find much work in this decade). During his Motown stuff he was provided with Motowns best compositions of that gtime, but they were not innovative and Mj did not write them.

On the Jacksons albums he wrote ecxcellent songs but one would not claim the Jacksons songs are innovative or something.

Off The Wall, Thriller are AMAZING albums, but in a thread I once said, I don't find he did invent anything. The songs are great but not unlike anything done before. His songs just had a certain quality.

Anyway, he should be considered as probably THE most influential performance artist. He certainly did influence any generation after him, males. MJs performance is the ultimate performance style for pop muscians. MJ "invented" the way a male supoerstar has to act.
Also he innovated the video-format.

But although these are great achievement, the fact is, after Thriller he toured and stuff, but you could say, he was too long away from the music scene back in 87.
There were other popstars who copied his style, Madonna defined the ideal music video during these days and later on.

Of course MJ purist are gonna kill me for that. For those people, You Rock my World is an innovative video as well.

the last innovative video Mj did was the Ghosts video and Scream is amazing too. So IÄm not one of these who claim he was only fresh in 1983.

but basically, he's the king of visuals, but not music.

It's OBVIOUS there are other musicians you defined the status-quo of music much more.

shipoffools said:

Nothing wrong with "You Are My Life" but "Privacy" sucks.

Timmy84 said:

are there any make-up experts. Which kind of make-up do you use for making it that thick? the make up must be a few ines thick.

graecophilos said:

What is up with people quoting the wrong posts?! You mean the press conference pictures?

yes- that is stage make-up piled on thick- his skin does not look like that bare faced

NaughtyKitty said:

My God that's disgusting. Yikes!

NME's interview with Michael will be available tomorrow

Entitled 'The day we spent with Michael Jackson'.

Timmy84 said:

You're right Timothy, but since this thread is so huge my laptop is a bit slow, that's why some letters of my words are missing - I'm typing too fast to let all the letters generate on the screen!

bboy87 said:

he betta talk about the new album or im gonna

some fans said he gave another interview to CNN

bboy87 said:

It's probably gonna include a few choice words, lol.
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Timmy84 said:

?