whatsgoingon said:

VERY True

whatsgoingon said:

Question: What exactly is it that bothers you so much about other people finding enjoyment in music you don't like? How does it affect you, that you feel the need to try to crush their enjoyment to make yourself feel better?

Annika said:

it's an mj thread....an all mj thread. people have opinions and can express them freely in this all mj thread as it was intended.

this aint no mj board, you are aloud to have an opinion here and not get banned for stating Thriller 25 was disastrous and the song Hold My Hand with Akorn was awful (this actually happened to me on an mj board)

WetDream said:

I'm not saying people can't have opinions about MJ and his music. Hell, I sure do. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't post their opinions.

If you think his music sucks, and that it has sucked since he was 15, by all means, say so. What I don't understand is acting like, just because you don't like the music, anybody who does is a moron/naive/blind/etc. For example, I don't like Madonna much. I find her music as a whole boring, bland and unispiring. That doesn't mean that I believe everyone who thinks her music is amazing is an idiot, though. I recognise that it's just a matter of taste.

newpowerhippies said:

NOT true, There is nothing wrong with the history album, it is one of his best albums.


secondly I'm sick of you people saying ALL fans do this or that

for example

you haters will saying all mj fans ever do is hype up thriller, that is a lie, most people on this sites and other sites hardly ever just talk about thriller they talk about all his music, and in saying that if you people are yapping that they only talk about thriller , then you're yapping that they don't talk about thriller and talk about history, what the heck The truth is it's you you always bring up thriller not the other way around.

i have a suspicion that if mj was "black" when he made history then you people would give it the props it deserves, it is so sad people can't get over exterior appearances

whatsgoingon said:

again, i think i have to agree. im not being dismissive or a "hater" or anything of the sort, this is just reality. i broke away from the mj fandom awhile ago (after my bro recommended me to listen to prince haha) and basically grew up (still a casual fan though), your eyes open and its exactly how "whatsgoingon" is saying. mjs diehards will just dramatically defend him until hes gone (or until there eyes are opened imo) its like a reflex, a programmed reflex and they just constantly defend him even when no harm was done in the opposing argument, you will be branded a hater or something of the sort or my fave, asked to "do your research!" haha. It's hard to explain but i was like this, it falls in line with parts of what "whatsgoingon" is saying too.

if mj had 1st began in the nineties and everything went how it went in reality, he would be remembered for scandal and controversies more then most else.

when i saw mj in the flesh back in my mj days, i had no urge to go nuts but, i felt i should be doing that because i have seen videos from the 80s of fans doing this....so, i did! but, im sure that furthers the point? at least on my behalf.

this probably reads nonsense to most (especially the mj diehards haha) but it's difficult to explain.
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whatsgoingon said:

you haters love repeating the same lines over and over again


oh please mj's personality hasn't changed at all , if he's crazy and freak now then he's been a freak all his life. just because you change on the outside doesn't mean you change on the inside


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZnrxk-dpVA[youtube/]


http://www.youtube.com/wa...g2ILcrqyQA

http://www.youtube.com/wa...F1es_ckoYY


that's the same person still talking about magic and stuff




oh and when he blows everybody away at these concerts you haters will be looking like and then this when you realize your bashing days are over and ultimately this

WetDream said:

Well, obviously, but the fact is that that would never have happened. If it hadn't been for his experiences from the 70's and 80's MJ would never have become the person that he was in the 90's (nor the person that he is today). A lot of the traits that defined his music of that period (distrust, paranoia, a desperate need to 'keep up') would never have been instilled in him in the way that they were. So while I see your point and agree with you in principle, it seems kind of moot to me.

I actually think MJ's music would have been much better off had he been given a chance to grow up and "find himself" before he became a huge star. He would have more worth in himself, and therefore less desperate for outside approval and acceptance and so freer in his music. He would also not have been burnt out by the age of 25. But again, since that's not what actually happened, there isn't really much point in speculating.

Annika said:

I'm not sure how to explain this right, but it's more about not liking what he has become, not what he's produced. There isn't much truly new music to discuss, but most people agree on liking his stuff up through Thriller. I liked Dirty Diana and a couple others since then, but not enough to buy anything.

As for Madge, I've never liked 'her', but will listen to some of her music occasionally when I want to hear some dance type stuff. But there's no way that I think it's 'great', it's just silly pop.

WetDream said:

why do you have to be immature if you listen to Mj, your comment is strictly your opinion only, i know this because mj mothers was a HUGE prince fan in college, she doesn't even mention him now. when i asked why she doesn't listen to him anymore, she responded to me" i don't know, i guess i just grew out of it", in contrast she loves Mj to this day even though she's not a huge fan, so your "growing up" comment, is not only ignorant it's biased. Many people have "grown" out of princes music too




and i'm sure you wont agree, but I think some of princes fans are just as crazy as some of mj's fans, some of them think if he farts it sounds like a genius symphony. Many of prince's fans will say evrything, even his most crap albums are pure gold, why don't you consider them delusional. i don't know why you people are always calling mj's fans crazy, What i think is crazy, is practically worshiping a man that probably would even stop to give you a handshake, let alone an autograph if you met him. prince has got to me the rudest person to his fans. I have never seen an artist write a diss song about his fans and sue them. but you people don't care, you think it's genius that he treats you like crap( most of the time) Thats what crazy, in fact i doubt he even makes music for you, he probaly just does it to get attention for himself and to feed his ego.
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Serena said:

But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the old school fans who only like his older stuff who treat fans of his newer stuff like imbeciles. Where is the purpose in that?

cdcgold said:

you have miss interpreted what i was trying to say AND how prince treats his fans.

however, thanks for furthering my previous point

*double post edit*
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Serena said:

i don't get why people say his personality changed, it didn't. watch those videos i posted above from 1984, mj was talking about magic and children even there. Theres no difference than that and that interview where he was talking about peter pan. the problem is this world is so superficial people can't get passed the way someone looks. In fact when people talk about his surgeries, his obsession with surgery didn't start at bad. It started the minute he turned 18 and got control over his money , he was probaly dreaming of the day when he was a teenager because his father brainwashed him into thinking he was ugly. those surgeries were probaly going to happen anyway, thats what happens to people with BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER who have money. it just took awhile for them to get done, so the mj fromm thriller is no different from the mj from dangerous, he had just gotten farther alone when dangerous was done

WetDream said:

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WetDream said:

that you for furthering MY previous pointS

Annika said:

I don't see any purpose, everyone likes different music and I've never agreed with people putting others down because they don't like the same songs.

I'm so glad MJ's back. There was a time,I truly thought he wouldn't be coming back.


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whatsgoingon said:

Exactly. As long as i've been reading that poster's posts, I still to this day don't get where she's coming from.

His hotel is already selling media stories

They say he was drunk and a bit off before his announcment on Wednesday.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, because his hair was a big mess and he was making these weird ass poses at the announcement:lol: Also he spoke for like 3 minutes

http://thedailyfix.com/20...in-london/




He did look his normal self, when he went out to watch that musical
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suga10 said:

I'll tell you like i told someone else. a way you can always tell when an article is crap is when it says, " a source says", "sources say", "insiders say" ," friends say" ect. when they say a "source' but don't name the source specifically it's crap, that is just a clever way for the media to spread rumors as fact. taht is the main difference between tabloid media and real media, tabloid journalist will never name their mystery source because there is none, and if they don't name it they don't have to prove it.

mookie said:

Don't even get me started on the complete inability to grasp the idea that someone could like all of the eras differently, like Off The Wall and Dangerous equally with Thriller as only an afterthought etc. It's called being diverse, innit?

suga10 said:

His chin looks like an ass!

Serena said:

But don't you think how one becomes can have an impact on their music? So let's say Michael becomes more superficial, more obsesse with Peter Pan and Neverland can't that reflect in the music he produces? Have you noticed once Michael officially broke away from his brothers not only did he become more like Peter Pan but so did his music? The amount of sickly, sweet "Heal The World" songs that became part of his music doubled. I mean some of the stuff that he has on his latter albums make songs like "Ben" and "Happy" sound real deep!

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seeingvoices12 said:

I totally agree w/ adding his brothers to the tour. I hated when Michael performed J5/Jackson songs w/ fake Jackson/J5 backup singers. Stupid, when the really back-up is aching to perform. Also, hate when uber MJ fans act like his career started w/ Thriller (which by the way is not better than Destiny, Off the Wall or Triumph in my opinion). I would love to see a Jackson reunion; now that would be cool if they could pull it off.

MJ leaving the UK today to go back to the States.

He is really lazy when it comes to dressing up, he's wearing the same shirt he wore to see the musical.

He looks good. Hopefully he keeps up the trend of stopping the disguises.




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suga10 said:

In a way that's more normal than other celebrities. I certainly don't have outfits I wear once and then never again. Well I do, but I'm a stupid girl. Men don't

Ellie said:

Yeah it makes him appear more normal than other celebrities.

Nothing wrong with that.

Just pointing out that he's wearing the same shirt again

cdcgold said:

my enjoyment with his songs have nothing to do wth his skin colour. I can say that, because IÄm fan since 2002! Practiacally ALL of my favorite tunes I knew and liked before I became a fan, and beore I knew much about his color. As a child I just loved his songs, before I became too intellectual about it.

So I admit, I might critize HIStory because it doesn't fit with my ideal picture of MJ - making black music, black soul ballads.

But as a child I was able to enjoy his songs from the heart without saying:... yes, but..

I certainly would have preffered Earth Song over Lady In my... but now I'm spiled by the experts

You get what IÄm saying?

suga10 said:

I think you're being unfair. Normal people don't wear different things every day too. At least not where I live. It's okay to wear your trousers for a few days, and it's even more okay to wear the same jacket and stuff as long as it's not dirty or sweaty.
It's unrealistic to think stars should never wear the same thinks twice.

anyway, he looks great, amazingly thin and his nose is different. bigger?