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Reply #600 posted 03/05/09 3:58pm

WetDream

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seeingvoices12 said:

Swa said:

Why can't we just discuss the music instead of the old tired who is better debate which in my opinion is pointless.

As far as this is an MJ thread - let's just keep it fresh and noncombative. It really is pointless arguing one against the other - because both artists are innovative and brilliant, and both have their own share of bias and narrow minded fans who will argue each counterpoint to the death. Let's move on.

If you like MJ then comment on this thread. If you don't then be pleased you don't have to read this thread and just focus on the other great Prince threads.

Swa


That’s again, because Prince fans still feel that MJ is a threat to prince , that’s the only explanation why prince fans coming into this thread talking crap and nonsense and mentioning the child molestation allegations again, in a time MJ decides to resume his career....anyone can give another explanation why prince fans doing this ? i would be very happy to hear if anyone can give another explanation :roll:

There was a huge prince thread with more than 1000 pages on MJNO and you rarely see a negative comment about prince there ,fans were happy talking about their favorite artist... why? Because the problem is with you prince fans, Jealousy is what i see in your posts, .period.

And why do you feel that mj wants to break prince record by doing the o2 concerts? is prince the only single artist performed there? do you still live in the 80’s ? its really bewildering that no one can control the discussion on this board and keep it positive and the most laughable thing is when you blame Mj fans and calling them crazy and stupid , at least Mj fans never behaved like you, i have been on this board almost 2 years i have never trashed prince, I don't mind if you criticize MJ but do it when Criticism is due , don't criticize when there is really no need to do it, not in every freaking MJ thread.


no prince fan is "threatened" by a pop artist...if they are, they must not know prince.

reason for the mj slack, cos mj asked/asks for it with his odd and sometimes unacceptable behaviour, even music wise.

anyway, back onto more positive things, just got off the phone with the lovely lady and we decided to go to one of the dates. we know we may not like the show (big real live music lovers) but, as i said earlier, it's a tribute to our child selves....you know, before prince snatched us away into adulthood!

oh and does anyone know if it's in the round?
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Reply #601 posted 03/05/09 4:03pm

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bboy87 said:

Youtube posts


Thanks, but aren't those all old songs? I kinda like the music to Monkey Business, but that's about it.
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Reply #602 posted 03/05/09 4:05pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Marrk said:



Well, i don't know what the internet was like back then (!), but every word that was uttered in Mike's trial (defence or prosecution) is there for all to see online.

Plain as day, he didn't do anything untoward.


Mark, dude, i think we should move on from this discussion about the allegations, if anyone wants to know what Truly happened in the trial and why Mj was acquitted then they should get the Court Transcript, other than that their sources are lies, fabrications and baseless. Transcripts don't lie, some people just don't want to believe that he was innocent, so the best thing to do is to move on:-D back on topic:




just pisses me off, when a complete travesty of a trial is there for lazy folk to view for nothing. They'd rather read bullshit like this than something that has affected a mans whole life, not to mention blinkered and fooled them.

is all.

Moved on (again!) lol
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Reply #603 posted 03/05/09 4:08pm

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WetDream said:

seeingvoices12 said:



That’s again, because Prince fans still feel that MJ is a threat to prince , that’s the only explanation why prince fans coming into this thread talking crap and nonsense and mentioning the child molestation allegations again, in a time MJ decides to resume his career....anyone can give another explanation why prince fans doing this ? i would be very happy to hear if anyone can give another explanation rolleyes

There was a huge prince thread with more than 1000 pages on MJNO and you rarely see a negative comment about prince there ,fans were happy talking about their favorite artist... why? Because the problem is with you prince fans, Jealousy is what i see in your posts, .period.

And why do you feel that mj wants to break prince record by doing the o2 concerts? is prince the only single artist performed there? do you still live in the 80’s ? its really bewildering that no one can control the discussion on this board and keep it positive and the most laughable thing is when you blame Mj fans and calling them crazy and stupid , at least Mj fans never behaved like you, i have been on this board almost 2 years i have never trashed prince, I don't mind if you criticize MJ but do it when Criticism is due , don't criticize when there is really no need to do it, not in every freaking MJ thread.


no prince fan is "threatened" by a pop artist...if they are, they must not know prince.

reason for the mj slack, cos mj asked/asks for it with his odd and sometimes unacceptable behaviour, even music wise.

anyway, back onto more positive things, just got off the phone with the lovely lady and we decided to go to one of the dates. we know we may not like the show (big real live music lovers) but, as i said earlier, it's a tribute to our child selves....you know, before prince snatched us away into adulthood!


Let me remind you that MJ is not just a pop artist, he is a legendary musician who was responisble for alot of things , everyone knows what MJ brought to the table, No one of you will re-write history, everyone knows his achievements, and his achievements do not come from a bubble-gum pop artist, Mj is lot of things.

WetDream said:

reason for the mj slack, cos mj asked/asks for it with his odd and sometimes unacceptable behaviour, even music wise!


and I can understand what you are saying , but why in every MJ thread? and do you think its the right time to Criticize? the thread is not about his personal life..isn't?
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Reply #604 posted 03/05/09 4:13pm

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WetDream said:

seeingvoices12 said:



That’s again, because Prince fans still feel that MJ is a threat to prince , that’s the only explanation why prince fans coming into this thread talking crap and nonsense and mentioning the child molestation allegations again, in a time MJ decides to resume his career....anyone can give another explanation why prince fans doing this ? i would be very happy to hear if anyone can give another explanation rolleyes

There was a huge prince thread with more than 1000 pages on MJNO and you rarely see a negative comment about prince there ,fans were happy talking about their favorite artist... why? Because the problem is with you prince fans, Jealousy is what i see in your posts, .period.

And why do you feel that mj wants to break prince record by doing the o2 concerts? is prince the only single artist performed there? do you still live in the 80’s ? its really bewildering that no one can control the discussion on this board and keep it positive and the most laughable thing is when you blame Mj fans and calling them crazy and stupid , at least Mj fans never behaved like you, i have been on this board almost 2 years i have never trashed prince, I don't mind if you criticize MJ but do it when Criticism is due , don't criticize when there is really no need to do it, not in every freaking MJ thread.


no prince fan is "threatened" by a pop artist...if they are, they must not know prince.

reason for the mj slack, cos mj asked/asks for it with his odd and sometimes unacceptable behaviour, even music wise.

anyway, back onto more positive things, just got off the phone with the lovely lady and we decided to go to one of the dates. we know we may not like the show (big real live music lovers) but, as i said earlier, it's a tribute to our child selves....you know, before prince snatched us away into adulthood!

oh and does anyone know if it's in the round?
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You aint decided shit. Tix aren't on sale yet. But don't worry MJ's back catalogue is pretty much bulletproof. Consistantly good albums and songs, Prince is well capable of throwing shit in your ears every so often.

smile
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Reply #605 posted 03/05/09 4:28pm

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lol I'm with ya purplecam! There is NO comparison, one guy is a musician/performer while the other hides behind a mask while turning 'his' poor kids into freaks.

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ENOUGH! mad .... confused

U're posting nothing but diatribes against MJ, and clearly trying to perpetuate the fake, old, media-sensationalized discord between them. And for what? To induce conflict? Or to try to uplift Prince? Please. Just stop. Prince would even laugh at U.
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Reply #606 posted 03/05/09 4:39pm

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Marrk said:

WetDream said:



no prince fan is "threatened" by a pop artist...if they are, they must not know prince.

reason for the mj slack, cos mj asked/asks for it with his odd and sometimes unacceptable behaviour, even music wise.

anyway, back onto more positive things, just got off the phone with the lovely lady and we decided to go to one of the dates. we know we may not like the show (big real live music lovers) but, as i said earlier, it's a tribute to our child selves....you know, before prince snatched us away into adulthood!

oh and does anyone know if it's in the round?
[Edited 3/5/09 16:01pm]


You aint decided shit. Tix aren't on sale yet. But don't worry MJ's back catalogue is pretty much bulletproof. Consistantly good albums and songs, Prince is well capable of throwing shit in your ears every so often.

smile
[Edited 3/5/09 16:22pm]


eh? i know, its next friday with presale on wednesday. i was trying to decide since we 1st kind of knew it was official and wanted to base my decision on pricing...and i did.

and no, prince ain't never "threw shit at my ears", live, god damn he's inhuman!
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Reply #607 posted 03/05/09 4:41pm

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Serena said:

Marrk said:

Maybe it's actually Prince's fans that don't like MJ and are bitter about the attention MJ brings


Maybe it's that we don't like abusers who pay off their victims to keep quiet. Someone with his visibility in the world would've surely spent their last penny, if truly innocent, to clear their name, instead of spending it to buy silence.



Everyone, begin to expect comments like this on a regular basis now that mj is getting attention. The bitter Haters will revert to acting like 5th graders from now on. Their insecurity will be on show for all to see smile
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Reply #608 posted 03/05/09 4:42pm

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Serena said:

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I said as long as Prince wasn't compared to MJ I would be fine and look at what this fool does. Fucking A man. rolleyes




lol I'm with ya purplecam! There is NO comparison, one guy is a musician/performer while the other hides behind a mask while turning 'his' poor kids into freaks.



aw it's so cute how you guys stick together, I know you are going to need all support you can get trashing mj because he's getting attention wink
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Reply #609 posted 03/05/09 4:48pm

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seeingvoices12 said:[quote]

WetDream said:



Let me remind you that MJ is not just a pop artist, he is a legendary musician who was responisble for alot of things , everyone knows what MJ brought to the table, No one of you will re-write history, everyone knows his achievements, and his achievements do not come from a bubble-gum pop artist, Mj is lot of things.

WetDream said:

reason for the mj slack, cos mj asked/asks for it with his odd and sometimes unacceptable behaviour, even music wise!


and I can understand what you are saying , but why in every MJ thread? and do you think its the right time to Criticize? the thread is not about his personal life..isn't?


well, i don't do that in all mj threads and i know many others don't but, you have to realise that the man has been damaged through his issues and sometimes outright lies by the media, either way, it's affected alot of people's views on him.

as for this thread, yeah we can talk about the negative as its an all mj thread. it's a time when he's doing something after a long time so you would like positive vibes, totaly understandable, but, it can't always be like that because everybody has an opinion, hell, prince, as you know, is releasing 3 albums and therefore i would like positive vibes, but it's not the case at all. it's just no different here.
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Reply #610 posted 03/05/09 4:51pm

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Serena said:

Marrk said:



Can you understand the concept of loving Prince and MJ equally?

You know, old-schoolers that don't believe the bullshit?


Regarding loving both equally, if you're talking about the old Michael, then yes, I can understand it. But loving the current him, hell no, I can't understand it one bit. What is there to love besides scandal? He sure as hell hasn't done anything of note for a long long time.

If you choose to hide your head in the sand about the truth, then stay in your world of denial and be happy! wink



I wonder what people are going to say when the day comes and proven that mj was innocent, sure you're going to make a snide comment back but It will happen one day, maybe all of us and mj will be dead, when it does, but you mark my word it will. And there are going to be alot of people who are owe him an apology but he won't get. you just remember eventually the truth always comes out just like the Jonbenet Ramseys parents were finally cleared mj will be cleared too.
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Reply #611 posted 03/05/09 4:55pm

cdcgold

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actually, FYI, that was a decision made by Mike's handlers, not Mike himself: At the time, remember, he was on painkillers, may have been suicidal, refusing to eat, etc. it was concluded that if mike didnt settle and fought the case, he might not have lived through the trial.


sigh

Gosh, do you really believe that?

Most honorable people would rather die trying to clear their name than be forever known as a pedophile.



And most people who know their kid has been molested down take money and then try too kill the kid 20 years later

http://lawlibrary.rutgers...5.opn.html


don't mess with me I'm a lawyer in training i will refute all your ridiculous lies with Facts and Court evidence and not just by running my mouth like some people
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Reply #612 posted 03/05/09 4:56pm

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Reply #613 posted 03/05/09 4:56pm

cdcgold

JackieBlue said:

Marrk said:



yeah i responded as purplecam expected. Hopefully it was half intelligent tho!

Like i said, i love Prince, emptied my wallet time and again for him. And never been disappointed, but my honest ggut feeling is his diehard fans just hate Mike's record sales, his gig receipts etc. they can't understand how MJ did that over Prince. But he did. there is a reason MJ's detractors are out there, they were there before MJ's court troubles.

I've never understood why.

Prince Vs MJ was entirely a press invented concept, and it lives on. It's silly.

Any other big MJ and Prince fans out there? shout out! i need to know my friends up in here!
biggrin



I don't understand this thinking especially in relation to Prince. Looking at Prince as a musician, I don't think anyone who is a true lover of musicianship as an art can be concerned with sales. They've never gone hand in hand. Most love it for the artistry not for it's popularity or the evidence of its acceptance by the masses. This is at least how I feel about Prince. Success is great but at what cost, by whose standards and in relation to what? I think this applies to Prince even more because of his image and lyrical content. As I mentioned, I have no problem with him not being wildly popular or having number one singles every year but that's just me. The only thing that matters is if I appreciate and enjoy what he (or anyone for that matter) is putting out and the quality of their performances.
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then why is there a new thread on the prince forum about his music sales every week?
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Reply #614 posted 03/05/09 5:01pm

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cdcgold said:

JackieBlue said:




I don't understand this thinking especially in relation to Prince. Looking at Prince as a musician, I don't think anyone who is a true lover of musicianship as an art can be concerned with sales. They've never gone hand in hand. Most love it for the artistry not for it's popularity or the evidence of its acceptance by the masses. This is at least how I feel about Prince. Success is great but at what cost, by whose standards and in relation to what? I think this applies to Prince even more because of his image and lyrical content. As I mentioned, I have no problem with him not being wildly popular or having number one singles every year but that's just me. The only thing that matters is if I appreciate and enjoy what he (or anyone for that matter) is putting out and the quality of their performances.
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then why is there a new thread on the prince forum about his music sales every week?


You're asking me about threads that I didn't start nor do I participate in. Obviously there are people who care about sales. And there are people who like Prince for different reasons. I specifically stated looking at Prince as a musician.
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Reply #615 posted 03/05/09 5:02pm

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bboy87 said:




bboy you're always right on time. lol
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Reply #616 posted 03/05/09 5:02pm

cdcgold

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Oh i am, but i'm not in denial.i dug deep. I wanted to know the truth beyond what i was faced with in the media. I only had to read the daily's about what really happened in court.

If i only believed what was fed to me by Rupert Murdoch's media channels and the like, i'd hate Mike too.

but some folk are just plain lazy. wink


Dude, come on. When the allegations first came up, I defended him and thought no way could that be true. But I was convinced otherwise after his interviews and payoffs. Just like I thought O.J. couldn't have done what he did either, until the facts came out.


seriously if you had researched about the case you would know that that settlement DID NOT stop jordy chandler from testifying in court. so let me educate you, but i don't you will read the official documents because you want to hate mj


http://floacist.wordpress...ent-myths/ - go to the website if goes into greater detail

THE FLOACIST

because you could never do it
The 1993 settlement mythos

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How much did Michael Jackson settled the 1993 lawsuit filed against him by Evan Chandler? We’ve heard 50, 40, 30, 20 million. For some reason the media has never been able to get the exact number of the settlement. Diane Dimond known for her antics to try to make anything Michael Jackson even bigger than what it was, leaked the actual documents. In the documents one find many interesting things. For example, in the document Michael Jackson denies ever having any sexual contact with Jordan Chandler. And to make things even more interesting, the parents of Jordan Chandler, Evan and June Chandler agreed to that denial. Here is that part of the document:

Also, in the document it actually says the Chandlers can only speak of the case in a court of law. For 10 years the media has been spreading the lie that the settlement somehow stopped the Chandlers from testifying against Jackson. Another myth destroyed by the factual document.

Another myth that the settlement was for more than 30 million when in fact it was only 15,331,250, both Evan and June Chandler obtained 1.5 million while Larry Feldman obtained 3 million and 10% of the settlement which would bring his earnings to 5 million dollars.

And how much Jordan Chandler got? The most he could’ve gotten was 8 million dollars. Who leaked this private document? The only party that had this particular document was Lisa Marie Presley’s attorney at the time. So who gave it to Diane Dimond? Hmmm. [Source]

http://www.thesmokinggun....acko1.html

http://www.sbscpublicacce...05mjmemosp
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Reply #617 posted 03/05/09 5:03pm

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lol

Page 21 already. LOL.
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Reply #618 posted 03/05/09 5:05pm

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JackieBlue said:

bboy87 said:




bboy you're always right on time. lol

JackieB, all I wanted was a positive thread.....just once


is that asking for too much?


After being a member of the Org for 4 years now, I still don't understand this place sometimes





I was gonna post videos and pictures and errthang! fit
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Reply #619 posted 03/05/09 5:05pm

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Serena said:

MyNameIsPiper said:



And that means what? There are people complaining about Prince's new music/image/whatever else they can complain about on this board right now. I'm sure you can dig up a few topics. Just because you put out music on a regular basis does not stop the haters from doing what they do best. And from the sounds of the cracks you keep making about MJ, you could give a damn if he put out a genius record...you've got personal beef.
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The point is, Prince IS putting out music and performing, not whether or not someone likes the output. Since MJ hasn't done anything for a bazillion years, then it must be the old stuff that keeps folks around.

If MJ put out new music that I liked, I'd enjoy it. But, yes, you're correct, I do tend to have beef with those who've mistreated children.



oh please those "victims' are probably laughing at how dumb the american public is. the people you should feel sorry for is the california tax payers who hard earned money was spent on a bogus trial
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Reply #620 posted 03/05/09 5:06pm

cdcgold

Serena said:

Swa said:

Why can't we just discuss the music
Swa


Is there some new MJ music we can discuss? It's a little tired to keep discussing Thriller after all these years.


you haters are the only ones who constantly bring up thriller
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Reply #621 posted 03/05/09 5:07pm

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bboy87 said:

JackieBlue said:




bboy you're always right on time. lol

JackieB, all I wanted was a positive thread.....just once


is that asking for too much?


After being a member of the Org for 4 years now, I still don't understand this place sometimes





I was gonna post videos and pictures and errthang! fit


I know and I saw your video contributions either in this one or in the other thread and I silently commended you. I thought we were finally on our way--slowly but on our way but then... well, you know. confused
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Reply #622 posted 03/05/09 5:07pm

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Woah woah woah!!! Whats going on here then?!! If you don't like Michael Jackson..how about staying the fuck out of the 'All new, All spectacular Michael Jackon thread'....Just a thought peeps.... neutral
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Reply #623 posted 03/05/09 5:10pm

cdcgold

Serena said:

Marrk said:



Well, i wouldn't. No matter how great the music.

Serena, do a google search or something for the court transcripts on the MJ trial. The whole thing was just crazy. honestly.


No thanks, I did my transcript time during the O.J. trial. So I know how things get twisted from what actually occurs in court and what comes out of lawyers' mouths and the press. That's why I say that MJ's actions and his own words told me all I needed to know.



translation= " i don't want to read the truth because that will take away my only valid reason for hating mj, deep down i know i hate mj beacuse I'm jealous that my prince never got the attention mj did fit"
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Reply #624 posted 03/05/09 5:14pm

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JackieBlue said:

bboy87 said:


JackieB, all I wanted was a positive thread.....just once


is that asking for too much?


After being a member of the Org for 4 years now, I still don't understand this place sometimes





I was gonna post videos and pictures and errthang! fit


I know and I saw your video contributions either in this one or in the other thread and I silently commended you. I thought we were finally on our way--slowly but on our way but then... well, you know. confused

People are Chris Browning this thread mad
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Reply #625 posted 03/05/09 5:16pm

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cdcgold said:

Serena said:



No thanks, I did my transcript time during the O.J. trial. So I know how things get twisted from what actually occurs in court and what comes out of lawyers' mouths and the press. That's why I say that MJ's actions and his own words told me all I needed to know.



translation= " i don't want to read the truth because that will take away my only valid reason for hating mj, deep down i know i hate mj beacuse I'm jealous that my prince never got the attention mj did fit"


mate stop making it worse. you know thats not the case. all that tells me is that you don't like the praise prince had over mj lately. just don't reply if you want it to stop, your asking for more with replies like that.
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Reply #626 posted 03/05/09 5:18pm

cdcgold

i'm going to end my posting on those bull crap allegations, to all the people who thinks he's guilty, read some of the articles on this website, you will learn alot.


Of course i know the haterd will never read this stuff because they don't want the truth but to anyone who is seriously interested , floacist knows what she's talking about and all her sources are directly from court transcipts

http://floacist.wordpress...ase-files/
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Reply #627 posted 03/05/09 5:23pm

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Michael Jackson was found not guilty

The jury could have done whatever they wanted with Michael Jackson. If he was guilty, he would have been sent to jail, period. They know more about the case than the general public does, and they all decided to go in favor of Michael Jackson. Everyone knows that the media was telling stuff to the public that was a lot different then what was going on in the actual courtroom.

The accuser's family had no credibility. They kept changing their stories. If you're a credible individual, you don't change your story over and over, if Michael supposedly did something to you. You stick to one consistant story, period.
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Reply #628 posted 03/05/09 5:23pm

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WetDream said:

cdcgold said:




translation= " i don't want to read the truth because that will take away my only valid reason for hating mj, deep down i know i hate mj beacuse I'm jealous that my prince never got the attention mj did fit"


mate stop making it worse. you know thats not the case. all that tells me is that you don't like the praise prince had over mj lately. just don't reply if you want it to stop, your asking for more with replies like that.
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are you kidding me beside this site I have not heard prince mentioned anywhere in years.

Heres a story for you its sad, but true: Back when prince did the superbowl me and my family were eating in a restaurante, when prince came on now i don't hate prince and thought people were really going to get excited, you know cause it's prince. well i looked around and nobody was paying it any attention. In fact the people who were at the bar to get closer to the scream left and went back to their food and to the bedroom as soon as he came on, Even my MOTHEr who was a hugh prince fan back in the day. I said "look mama there's prince" and she didn't even turn around she just "oh thats nice"
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Reply #629 posted 03/05/09 5:25pm

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suga10 said:

Michael Jackson was found not guilty

The jury could have done whatever they wanted with Michael Jackson. If he was guilty, he would have been sent to jail, period. They know more about the case than the general public does, and they all decided to go in favor of Michael Jackson. Everyone knows that the media was telling stuff to the public that was a lot different then what was going on in the actual courtroom.

The accuser's family had no credibility. They kept changing their stories. If you're a credible individual, you don't change your story over and over, if Michael supposedly did something to you.


not to mention they tried to scam countless other celebrites( george lopez comes to mind) but the finally hit the jackpot with mj cause he was too dumb to realize the were no good
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