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unique said: seeingvoices12 said: Thats what typical and fanatical prince fans has been saying for years, discerditing Mj's role as a songwriter and claiming that he is only a puppet in the studio , and of course all of this is a LIE, many songs MJ has written after quincy completely refute your theory. [Edited 3/2/09 13:16pm] i'm not saying he hasn't written many songs, i'm saying that he didn't write many of his best hits. i'm not saying he was a puppet either, in fact the opposite. the more control he had over his music, the worse it became, no matter how much money he threw at writers, producers and videos. he simply lacked the talent to do it himself. the reason mj fans keep going on about billie jean is because it was one of the best records he made in 30 years, and he hasn't done anything decent in the last 10 years, and nothing great in the last 20 years [Edited 3/2/09 13:31pm] well, from 1979 to 2003, he did write a great deal of his biggest hits: "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: unique said: i'm not saying he hasn't written many songs, i'm saying that he didn't write many of his best hits. i'm not saying he was a puppet either, in fact the opposite. the more control he had over his music, the worse it became, no matter how much money he threw at writers, producers and videos. he simply lacked the talent to do it himself. the reason mj fans keep going on about billie jean is because it was one of the best records he made in 30 years, and he hasn't done anything decent in the last 10 years, and nothing great in the last 20 years [Edited 3/2/09 13:31pm] well, from 1979 to 2003, he did write a great deal of his biggest hits: 1979-2002;) I still believe "We've Had Enough" was composed around 2001-2002. [Edited 3/2/09 13:41pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: well, from 1979 to 2003, he did write a great deal of his biggest hits: 1979-2002;) I still believe "We've Had Enough" was composed around 2001-2002. [Edited 3/2/09 13:41pm] what about The Way You Love Me? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: 1979-2002;) I still believe "We've Had Enough" was composed around 2001-2002. [Edited 3/2/09 13:41pm] what about The Way You Love Me? Probably the same year. | |
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unique said: seeingvoices12 said: Thats what typical and fanatical prince fans has been saying for years, discerditing Mj's role as a songwriter and claiming that he is only a puppet in the studio , and of course all of this is a LIE, many songs MJ has written after quincy completely refute your theory. [Edited 3/2/09 13:16pm] i'm not saying he hasn't written many songs, i'm saying that he didn't write many of his best hits. i'm not saying he was a puppet either, in fact the opposite. the more control he had over his music, the worse it became, no matter how much money he threw at writers, producers and videos. he simply lacked the talent to do it himself. the reason mj fans keep going on about billie jean is because it was one of the best records he made in 30 years, and he hasn't done anything decent in the last 10 years, and nothing great in the last 20 years [Edited 3/2/09 13:31pm] Michael wrote most of his greatest hits by himself! The only famous songs from the classic period he had not written on his own are Thriller, Rock With You and Off The Wall [Edited 3/2/09 13:52pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: what about The Way You Love Me? Probably the same year. It doesn't sound like an Invincible outtake. It's not overproduced at all  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: what about The Way You Love Me? Probably the same year. I thought they were Invincible outtakes? | |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: Probably the same year. It doesn't sound like an Invincible outtake. It's not overproduced at all "The way you love" was written in 2000 "Beautiful girl" was written in 1999 Both during the Invinicble sessions.  MICHAEL JACKSON
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unique said: seeingvoices12 said: Thats what typical and fanatical prince fans has been saying for years, discerditing Mj's role as a songwriter and claiming that he is only a puppet in the studio , and of course all of this is a LIE, many songs MJ has written after quincy completely refute your theory. [Edited 3/2/09 13:16pm] i'm not saying he hasn't written many songs, i'm saying that he didn't write many of his best hits. i'm not saying he was a puppet either, in fact the opposite. the more control he had over his music, the worse it became, no matter how much money he threw at writers, producers and videos. he simply lacked the talent to do it himself. the reason mj fans keep going on about billie jean is because it was one of the best records he made in 30 years, and he hasn't done anything decent in the last 10 years, and nothing great in the last 20 years [Edited 3/2/09 13:31pm] i'm saying that he didn't write many of his best hits
most of his biggest hits were wriiten solely by him. i'm not saying he was a puppet either, in fact the opposite. the more control he had over his music, the worse it became, no matter how much money he threw at writers, producers and videos
what! Even most of his hit songs post quincy were written by him, his music did no become worse thats your opinion and its crap. Most everybody I know love all of mj's music even some of the music from invincible ( ie. butterflies, and yeah i know he didn't write that one), it's only people like you who live in your own little prince world who try to take away mj's credit. he simply lacked the talent to do it himself. the reason mj fans keep going on about billie jean is because it was one of the best records he made in 30 years, and he hasn't done anything decent in the last 10 years, and nothing great in the last 20 years
this is got to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard a hater say. I know it's hard, maybe even painful for you to admit but Mj is one of the most talented people who ever walked the face of the earth, of course you will start yapping about instruments, but i think the way mj writes his music is much more genius than using an instrument, millions of people in the world can play an instrument, its not that big of a deal( and mj can play instruments anyway). but how many people can write an entire song using their mouth to imitate the instruments for the entire song and make it actually sound like real instruments. That right there is genius Who was going on about billie jean, I never brought up billie jean, you did. he hasn't done anything that good in the last 20 years? where you you been in fact most of the mj fans on here never even talk about billie jean. have you heard "Who Is It" "Will You Be There" "They Don't Care About Us" "Stranger in Moscow" "Earth Song" "Money" "Little Susie" and so much more , all written and composed soley by mj and most of them are produced solely by him as well I will say this again and keep saying it you are PATHETIC. you are just mad that most people like mj better, even with the jacked up face, the allegations, the eccentric lifestyle and all the other crap mj will always be loved more than prince, heck his 25 year old album sold more than most of princes recent albums, does that make mj more talented maybe, maybe not it depends on who you ask, because people have different taste, but that is the TRUTH, READ, UNDERSTAND IT, and GET OVER IT | |
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seeingvoices12 said: bboy87 said: It doesn't sound like an Invincible outtake. It's not overproduced at all "The way you love" was written in 2000 "Beautiful girl" was written in 1999 Both during the Invinicble sessions. chokes seeingvoices12 for correcting me "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: seeingvoices12 said: "The way you love" was written in 2000 "Beautiful girl" was written in 1999 Both during the Invinicble sessions. chokes seeingvoices12 for correcting me , you know that you are a great encyclopedia about mj, are you? i always enjoy your threads and information
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cdcgold said: this is got to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard a hater say. I know it's hard, maybe even painful for you to admit but Mj is one of the most talented people who ever walked the face of the earth, of course you will start yapping about instruments, but i think the way mj writes his music is much more genius than using an instrument, millions of people in the world can play an instrument, its not that big of a deal( and mj can play instruments anyway). but how many people can write an entire song using their mouth to imitate the instruments for the entire song and make it actually sound like real instruments. That right there is genius thanks for posting that, it's the fucking funniest shit i've read in a long time. i need to get that printed on a t shirt or something. you must be the type of person that thinks it was okay for him to sleep with kids as it made him artistically creative or something [Edited 3/2/09 14:38pm] | |
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cdcgold said: unique said: all that quincy jones produced rod temperton written stuff is good, it's when he thought he could do away with those guys that it all went very badly wrong you just need to listen to the demo version of billie jean to see what i mean. quincy took something that sounded like a cat shitting in a dustbin and made it a hit single, getting great musicians in the recording sessions and doing a really great job. it also shows that you can still have a massive hit single even if the video is shit and tacky. mj spent to much effort into the videos and not the music after quincy left once again another ignorant prince fan 
i don't know what demos you've been listening to but most of mj's demos sound exactly like the record, maybe you are refering to some of the earlier rough demos he would do of each song. If you knew anything you would that mj does several demos of each song, starting with a rough one and eventually ending with a final one that usually is no different than the one on the album, futher more, what demos sound perfect anyway, they are demos they aren't supposed to sound perfect they are suppose to be a guide for the finished product. only a prince fan would try to take away michaels credit for a song he WROTE and composed , that's why i call you people pathetic.and for the record some of michaels best work was WRITTEN, COMPOSED, and produced by him, For example "this place hotel", that is a song he wrote with quincy or rod temperton nowhere in sight. Of course you people will try to degrade anything he did after thriller but mj's history album and his dangerous album are both brilliant in their on way. Stranger in moscow was written, produced and compsed by Mj alone. You people are pathetic, and i say this because you first of all are so insecure about prince that you have to talk trash about someone else to feel better and because you are hypocrites, you talk about mj for wanting to sell recored when there have been several threads on the prince forum asking how many records prince has sold. Hypocrites. cdcgold? Be honest... Are U crying?      | |
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seeingvoices12 said: bboy87 said: It doesn't sound like an Invincible outtake. It's not overproduced at all "The way you love" was written in 2000 "Beautiful girl" was written in 1999 Both during the Invinicble sessions.  Thanks, seeingvoices12. He recorded those songs in 1999-2000 too. The big mystery is "We've Had Enough", some say it was recorded primarily for the album but I don't really think it is... sounds 2001-ish since Rodney produced it. | |
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Timmy84 said: seeingvoices12 said: "The way you love" was written in 2000 "Beautiful girl" was written in 1999 Both during the Invinicble sessions. Thanks, seeingvoices12. He recorded those songs in 1999-2000 too. The big mystery is "We've Had Enough", some say it was recorded primarily for the album but I don't really think it is... sounds 2001-ish since Rodney produced it.yeah, In fact "we've had enough" was one of the first tracks recorded for Invinicble , which was also co-written with carol bayer sager, but there is a possiblity that the song has been re-written and re-recored prior to its release on the The unltimate collection boxset. [Edited 3/2/09 15:16pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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we will NEVER hear these songs, because michael will live forever. |
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seeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said: Thanks, seeingvoices12. He recorded those songs in 1999-2000 too. The big mystery is "We've Had Enough", some say it was recorded primarily for the album but I don't really think it is... sounds 2001-ish since Rodney produced it.yeah, In fact "we've had enough" was one of the first tracks recorded for Invinicble , which was also co-written with carol bayer sager, but there is a possiblity that the song has been re-written and re-recored prior to its release on the The unltimate collection boxset. [Edited 3/2/09 15:16pm] Ah I see... yeah I can see it. | |
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Timmy84 said: seeingvoices12 said: yeah, In fact "we've had enough" was one of the first tracks recorded for Invinicble , which was also co-written with carol bayer sager, but there is a possiblity that the song has been re-written and re-recored prior to its release on the The unltimate collection boxset. [Edited 3/2/09 15:16pm] Ah I see... yeah I can see it. it could be one of the first tracks created with rodney and carol bayer sager, but im sure that song has been re-recorded and thats because of the lyrical content, the song perfectly interprets what happened in the iraqi war . MICHAEL JACKSON
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unique said: cdcgold said: this is got to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard a hater say. I know it's hard, maybe even painful for you to admit but Mj is one of the most talented people who ever walked the face of the earth, of course you will start yapping about instruments, but i think the way mj writes his music is much more genius than using an instrument, millions of people in the world can play an instrument, its not that big of a deal( and mj can play instruments anyway). but how many people can write an entire song using their mouth to imitate the instruments for the entire song and make it actually sound like real instruments. That right there is genius thanks for posting that, it's the fucking funniest shit i've read in a long time. i need to get that printed on a t shirt or something. you must be the type of person that thinks it was okay for him to sleep with kids as it made him artistically creative or something [Edited 3/2/09 14:38pm] once again PATHETIC you have nothing intelligent to say back so you bring op something that is unrelevant and has nothing to do with music, which is what we are talking about. newsflash the kiddie jokes are so played out, if you want to believe he is guilty fine, the world will still keep spinning and he is still a free man. | |
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comegetwild said: cdcgold said: once again another ignorant prince fan
i don't know what demos you've been listening to but most of mj's demos sound exactly like the record, maybe you are refering to some of the earlier rough demos he would do of each song. If you knew anything you would that mj does several demos of each song, starting with a rough one and eventually ending with a final one that usually is no different than the one on the album, futher more, what demos sound perfect anyway, they are demos they aren't supposed to sound perfect they are suppose to be a guide for the finished product. only a prince fan would try to take away michaels credit for a song he WROTE and composed , that's why i call you people pathetic.and for the record some of michaels best work was WRITTEN, COMPOSED, and produced by him, For example "this place hotel", that is a song he wrote with quincy or rod temperton nowhere in sight. Of course you people will try to degrade anything he did after thriller but mj's history album and his dangerous album are both brilliant in their on way. Stranger in moscow was written, produced and compsed by Mj alone. You people are pathetic, and i say this because you first of all are so insecure about prince that you have to talk trash about someone else to feel better and because you are hypocrites, you talk about mj for wanting to sell recored when there have been several threads on the prince forum asking how many records prince has sold. Hypocrites. cdcgold? Be honest... Are U crying? no but i bet you are. | |
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