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Reply #30 posted 02/27/09 10:00pm

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TotalAlisa said:

PatrickS77 said:


That's not really true... all it's 8 singles where highly successfull and got lots of airplay at the time... well, almost everwhere except the US... but okay, maybe it has lost some of it's luster over the years... or got more forgotten then the other albums! Back then it wasn't really underrated!

exactly im speaking about the US, because thats where i live lol

The album was huge

We had TV specials, multichannel world premieres, a mini TV special, and loads of singles

TV specials like this one:
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Reply #31 posted 02/27/09 10:16pm

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My favorite joints on Dangerous were:
"Remember the Time"
"In the Closet"
"Dangerous"
"Why You Wanna Trip On Me"
"Who Is It?"
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Reply #32 posted 02/27/09 10:21pm

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Man In The Mirror had soul.

Even Earth SOng has soul, but if I never hear Heal The World again, I would be happy.


Yeah but he didn't write "Man in the Mirror."

Seidah Garrett and Glenn Ballard did.

Maybe that was the main reason why it lacked soul for you?

"Earth Song" - never cared for that mess either. disbelief

Especially the video. doh!

But each to their own. nod
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Reply #33 posted 02/27/09 10:26pm

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musicman said:

Man In The Mirror had soul.

Even Earth SOng has soul, but if I never hear Heal The World again, I would be happy.


Yeah but he didn't write "Man in the Mirror."

Seidah Garrett and Glenn Ballard did.

Maybe that was the main reason why it lacked soul for you?

"Earth Song" - never cared for that mess either. disbelief

Especially the video. doh!

But each to their own. nod


You might be right. I forgot Seidah and Glenn wrote that.

As far as Earth Song, I really like the end part with the choir.
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Reply #34 posted 02/27/09 10:30pm

anc282

Actually it could've also been the way he sang it.
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Reply #35 posted 02/27/09 10:38pm

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classic track, classic album.

its forever in my rotation.
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Reply #36 posted 02/28/09 12:06am

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This is a cool track - and let Mj do his thing with New Jack Swing.

As for Dangerous being under-rated, in comparison to Thriller everything MJ did or does will be under-rated and criticised for failing to sell a million kazillion.

Dangerous though is a strong solid album and for me showed a cool variety of styles. As for people who think that the album is weak, I think they need to relisten.

For me the only real weak song on it is Heal The World (a song I have to say I never got into).

stranger in moscow is one of his best songs ever
For me songs like "Why You Wanna Trip on Me" and "Who Is It?" are classics. And Black or White and Jam still sound fresh.


For me the most underrated album of his is HiStory. It has some of his best work on there.
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Reply #37 posted 02/28/09 12:29am

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A great song from the weakest MJ album, in my opinion. Love the beat and the "sharpness" of it.

But from Dangerous, the only songs I really dig are this one, Remember the Time, and Will You Be There. The title track is also alright, but most of the tunes on this albumfeel slack in terms of songwriting compared to material released before and since.
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Reply #38 posted 02/28/09 12:52am

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My fav song on Dangerous, and in my list of all time fav MJ songs. The bass in the bridge is off the hook, and the backing vocals are awesome.
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Reply #39 posted 02/28/09 2:09am

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TotalAlisa said:

PatrickS77 said:


Hmm, not really... where I live you hear mostly songs from "Bad"! And "Black or white" and "Remember the time" still gets played frequently! Besides, compared to "Thriller" everything probably is underrated!

Oh, and for the record: I do like "Heal the world"!!

The fans love dangerous, but i was speaking about the non-fans or occasional listeners. I still think the dangerous album was underrated compared to Bad, off the wall and thriller. But that is just my opinion. It didn't seem like it was appreciated (other than the fans) by the public, maybe because the child molestation allegations came out around the time and took a lot of shine off the album


MJ is the one who pretends he only released Thriller. It's always Thriller, Thriller, Thriller.
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Reply #40 posted 02/28/09 2:13am

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bboy87 said:

TotalAlisa said:


exactly im speaking about the US, because thats where i live lol

The album was huge

We had TV specials, multichannel world premieres, a mini TV special, and loads of singles

TV specials like this one:


yeah, but what a fuckin' special that is. They are repeating the same old rubbish again. How much he sold etc. But did they talk abot his NEW music?
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Reply #41 posted 02/28/09 2:42am

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graecophilos said:

bboy87 said:


The album was huge

We had TV specials, multichannel world premieres, a mini TV special, and loads of singles

TV specials like this one:


yeah, but what a fuckin' special that is. They are repeating the same old rubbish again. How much he sold etc. But did they talk abot his NEW music?

That was only the first part. The second part talked about the release and success of Dangerous(the November release, the reaction of fans around the world, the release of Black or White) and the third part was the making of Remember The Time

the thing was an half hour

http://www.dailymotion.co...ever_music
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Reply #42 posted 02/28/09 2:52am

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bboy87 said:

graecophilos said:



yeah, but what a fuckin' special that is. They are repeating the same old rubbish again. How much he sold etc. But did they talk abot his NEW music?

That was only the first part. The second part talked about the release and success of Dangerous(the November release, the reaction of fans around the world, the release of Black or White) and the third part was the making of Remember The Time

the thing was an half hour

http://www.dailymotion.co...ever_music
[Edited 2/28/09 2:46am]


Well, but why does noone ever DISCUSS his music? You know, not talking about the hype or how expensive the amazing video was.
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Reply #43 posted 02/28/09 3:03am

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graecophilos said:

bboy87 said:


That was only the first part. The second part talked about the release and success of Dangerous(the November release, the reaction of fans around the world, the release of Black or White) and the third part was the making of Remember The Time

the thing was an half hour

http://www.dailymotion.co...ever_music
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Well, but why does noone ever DISCUSS his music? You know, not talking about the hype or how expensive the amazing video was.

It was a MTV special lol "Rockumentary" specials never really went into depth like that

The only way you'll see a special about his music alone is if someone has the funds and support to go out and release it on their own
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Reply #44 posted 02/28/09 4:39am

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TotalAlisa said:

exactly im speaking about the US, because thats where i live lol

Well, the US is only a small part of the world.. there are many countries beside the US, so overall it's not underrated! razz
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Reply #45 posted 02/28/09 4:50am

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anc282 said:

musicman said:

Man In The Mirror had soul.

Even Earth SOng has soul, but if I never hear Heal The World again, I would be happy.


Yeah but he didn't write "Man in the Mirror."

Seidah Garrett and Glenn Ballard did.

Maybe that was the main reason why it lacked soul for you?

"Earth Song" - never cared for that mess either. disbelief

Especially the video. doh!

But each to their own. nod

I didn't care for Earth Song until I heard the Hani remix. When I heard that, I began to like the song.
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Reply #46 posted 02/28/09 4:52am

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Risico said:

A great song from the weakest MJ album, in my opinion. Love the beat and the "sharpness" of it.

But from Dangerous, the only songs I really dig are this one, Remember the Time, and Will You Be There. The title track is also alright, but most of the tunes on this albumfeel slack in terms of songwriting compared to material released before and since.

You consider Dangerous "weak" compared to Bad? I liked both, but Bad was lacking to me. It had some great pop songs, but looking back, it doesn't hold up.
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Reply #47 posted 02/28/09 5:24am

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I remember the biggest issue I had with the Dangerous album was the sequence of the tracks.
Clearly he wanted to have two distinct vibes and the start and the end, but I'm not sure it really worked.
Having an up half and a slow half seemed to make the album labour somehow.
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Reply #48 posted 02/28/09 7:37am

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PatrickS77 said:

dag said:

One of my all time favourite MJ songs. Love it. That´s so funky! Such an underated song.

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Hmm... always hated the song until he used that intro to open "In the closet" on the HIStory tour... after that I gave the song another try and now I actually love it! Love his voice and the lyrics and damn... the music sounds like slamming car doors! biggrin

TotalAlisa said:

i love this song, the car horns in the background, the strong beat. Dangerous is very underrated album.

Underrated?? Most MJ fans describe it as his best album, sold 30 mio copies... hardly underrated!

I used to feel the same way. When Dangeours got released, I always skipped this song. After several years, I gave it a listen and since then it has become my favourite MJ jam.

I just love the Dangerous album. There are some masterpieces.
Who Is It
Give Into Me
Keep the Faith
Will you be there
Gone Too Soon
Why You Wanna Trip On Me....actually all of the songs. My least favourite track of the album is Black or White. It just got overplayed. But for some reason, I enjoyed it at a concert the most though. lol
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Reply #49 posted 02/28/09 7:55am

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anc282 said:

Actually it could've also been the way he sang it.



I think it was a combination of the song writing and the passion he has when he was in the studio doing it.

He even took it to church on the 1988 Grammys.
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Reply #50 posted 02/28/09 8:11am

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I love “she drives me wild”. Good song.

Fans say that "dangerous" is MJ’s most creative effort but I disagree, his most creative effort is "history" considering the songs he solely wrote, composed and produced, " stranger in Moscow" is good enough to murder any song MJ ever written , genius lyrics and with a hauntingly beautiful melody, its where MJ at his peak as a songwriter.

As for dangerous , the album has many great moments, and one of the best albums in the 90’s ,

- “give in to me” is vastly underrated and should be appreciated more
-“In the closet” is the best production on the album, a clean great production…..and vastly underrated.
-”will you be there” got to be my favorite song on the album,

My least favorite on the album is “ black or white” boxed

And by the way, just because the album sold about 30 millions doesn’t mean that there are not underrated(overlooked) songs, for example, the album “thriller” sold millions but I think “lady in my life” is very underrated and it didn’t get enough appreciation.
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Reply #51 posted 02/28/09 9:07am

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i think the album has great songs in remember the time , who is it , give in to me , will you be there those are the standout tracks to me , i also enjoy gone too soon , she drives me wild , why you wanna trip on me , in the closet on a lesser extent
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Reply #52 posted 02/28/09 9:12am

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seeingvoices12 said:

And by the way, just because the album sold about 30 millions doesn’t mean that there are not underrated(overlooked) songs, for example, the album “thriller” sold millions but I think “lady in my life” is very underrated and it didn’t get enough appreciation.

Yep! Songs, but we were talking about the album as a whole.... and yes, Lady in my live certainly is a criminally underrated song! I love that one! Other than the big 3 it's my favourite on that album!
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Reply #53 posted 02/28/09 10:48am

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bboy87 said:


That was only the first part. The second part talked about the release and success of Dangerous(the November release, the reaction of fans around the world, the release of Black or White) and the third part was the making of Remember The Time

the thing was an half hour

http://www.dailymotion.co...ever_music
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Well, but why does noone ever DISCUSS his music? You know, not talking about the hype or how expensive the amazing video was.


In hindsight, MTV's rockumentaries always sucked. They NEVER talked about the music, just the hype. I remember the rockumentaries on MJ, Janet and Madonna.
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Reply #54 posted 02/28/09 2:50pm

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This joint is the red headed step child among "Why You Wanna Trip On Me," "In the Closet," "Jam," "Who Is it?" and "Remember the Time." It's the weakest of the New Jack Swing sound IMO.
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Reply #55 posted 02/28/09 2:51pm

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Risico said:

A great song from the weakest MJ album, in my opinion. Love the beat and the "sharpness" of it.

But from Dangerous, the only songs I really dig are this one, Remember the Time, and Will You Be There. The title track is also alright, but most of the tunes on this albumfeel slack in terms of songwriting compared to material released before and since.


You gotta be kidding. Have you heard 'Invincible?'
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Reply #56 posted 02/28/09 2:58pm

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Risico said:

A great song from the weakest MJ album, in my opinion. Love the beat and the "sharpness" of it.

But from Dangerous, the only songs I really dig are this one, Remember the Time, and Will You Be There. The title track is also alright, but most of the tunes on this albumfeel slack in terms of songwriting compared to material released before and since.


You gotta be kidding. Have you heard 'Invincible?'


Invincible is seven shades of terrible. feeling ill

....possibly eight?
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Reply #57 posted 02/28/09 3:08pm

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Earth Song was huge in Europe! haha, George Michael kicked it in the Uk with Jesus To A Child and Earth Song held the Beatles' Free As A Bird from #1- Macca musta been pissed!

In Germany Michael performed the song at Wetten Dass (Europeans biggest live show). It was totally spectacular, they reported about his hotel room, what chocolate he likes to eat, his bathtube etc.

And the performance was the world premiere of Earth Song. You can watch it on youtube. It was one of the best shows in Wetten Dass. The show had it's biggest number of viewers (18 mio of 80 mio Germans!!!) and the single was like 8 week on #1!!
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Reply #58 posted 02/28/09 3:09pm

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TyphoonTip said:

badujunkie said:



You gotta be kidding. Have you heard 'Invincible?'


Invincible is seven shades of terrible. feeling ill

....possibly eight?

No it's not! Whilst it is in no way as good as his good or great albums and certainly a step or two down, I cetainly think it's underrated and is reputation is worse, than it actually is! I mean, Butterflies, Whatever happens, Don't walk away, You rock my world, Cry, Speechless... I really like those songs... and also Heaven can wait, Break of dawn, apart from being standard RnB ballads, are not really that bad! Invincible, Heartbreaker and Unbreakable, even though they lack the certain something, still have some things going for them!

Of course Invincible is an album though, which you have to listen too several times to get into! If you listen to it once or twice and then discard it you might miss out!
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Reply #59 posted 02/28/09 3:18pm

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motownlover said:

i think the album has great songs in remember the time , who is it , give in to me , will you be there those are the standout tracks to me , i also enjoy gone too soon , she drives me wild , why you wanna trip on me , in the closet on a lesser extent


Yes, it does! cool

It's one of the first albums I can remember listening to. cloud9

My favorite tracks are:

Who Is It
Will You Be There
Jam
Can't Let Her Get Away
Dangerous

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