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Thread started 02/27/09 8:46am

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madonna--justify my love (the video)

and the big deal was.....?

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Reply #1 posted 02/27/09 8:49am

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I remember my friends and I calling to request this video and then waiting around before we went out in hopes of finally seeing it. When we did we couldn't figure out wha thte big deal was. if anything we wanted to see more. In comparison to some of the stuff I've seen since, this is mild.
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Reply #2 posted 02/27/09 8:52am

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Sexy yet quite tame.
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Reply #3 posted 02/27/09 10:09am

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PanthaGirl said:

Sexy yet quite tame.


I seem to remember it causing quite a stir back in the day. You have to remember this is way before the days of Christina's "Dirty", the rap/ho's/bling invasion, etc when everyone and their dog started shaking their privates at cameras to sell a few extra records.

I guess Im bias but a Madonna video always seems to carry an extra air of class and a look of sheen and style. Justify is one of my faves!! biggrin
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Reply #4 posted 02/27/09 10:33am

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I was pretty risque for it's time. To show anyone of the same gender kissing in a music video or on TV for that matter was rare and I think Madonna was one of the first to do it on video. Not to mention the lyrics of JML for the time was a big deal as I recall. Of course next up was Erotica which took the Justify My Love to a new level.

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Reply #5 posted 02/27/09 10:45am

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superspaceboy said:

I was pretty risque for it's time. To show anyone of the same gender kissing in a music video or on TV for that matter was rare and I think Madonna was one of the first to do it on video. Not to mention the lyrics of JML for the time was a big deal as I recall. Of course next up was Erotica which took the Justify My Love to a new level.



At the time that type of stuff was not really played. I remember I almost got a spanking for watching that video in the middle of the night by my cousin (my mom didnt care). Lol. It s very stylish and intoxicating. That was when Madonna really became THEE star.
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Reply #6 posted 02/27/09 1:35pm

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superspaceboy said:

I was pretty risque for it's time. To show anyone of the same gender kissing in a music video or on TV for that matter was rare and I think Madonna was one of the first to do it on video. Not to mention the lyrics of JML for the time was a big deal as I recall. Of course next up was Erotica which took the Justify My Love to a new level.

I love the Erotica album. That´s the only album of hers I go back to. I have about 3 other albums of hers that I hardly ever listen to, but I love Erotica. That´s funky.
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Reply #7 posted 02/27/09 2:14pm

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DaveT said:

PanthaGirl said:

Sexy yet quite tame.


I seem to remember it causing quite a stir back in the day. You have to remember this is way before the days of Christina's "Dirty", the rap/ho's/bling invasion, etc when everyone and their dog started shaking their privates at cameras to sell a few extra records.

I guess Im bias but a Madonna video always seems to carry an extra air of class and a look of sheen and style. Justify is one of my faves!! biggrin


Yah I remember it caused a stir but by my standards I thought it was tame and that peeps should have been more open minded about it's content. wink
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Reply #8 posted 02/27/09 2:16pm

Timmy84

I remember seeing the video and remember thinking "where's the shock?"
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Reply #9 posted 02/27/09 2:56pm

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Public Enemy sued her for that song because they claimed she stole the beats from one of their songs.
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Reply #10 posted 02/27/09 3:19pm

anc282

As already stated, it would've been very rude/risquee for its time.

On a personal note I used to have the 12inch, but sold it last year at a Garage Sale for a buck. I'm pretty much OVER Madonna.

Also, Ingrid Chavez wrote the lyrics with Lenny Henry - I mean Lenny Kravitz!! lol

But Madonna never gave Ingrid credit, so she sued her.

So Public Enemy weren't the only ones to take legal action against her.
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Reply #11 posted 02/27/09 3:21pm

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anc282 said:

As already stated, it would've been very rude/risquee for its time.

On a personal note I used to have the 12inch, but sold it last year at a Garage Sale for a buck. I'm pretty much OVER Madonna.

Also, Ingrid Chavez wrote the lyrics with Lenny Henry - I mean Lenny Kravitz!! lol

But Madonna never gave Ingrid credit, so she sued her.

So Public Enemy weren't the only ones to take legal action against her.


falloff @ calling Lenny Kravitz "Lenny Henry". lol
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Reply #12 posted 02/27/09 3:43pm

SoulAlive

Several months ago,I saw Madonna in concert and at one point,she took requests from the audience.She asked one guy what song would he like to hear and he replied "Justify My Love".Madonna refused,saying "No,that song is just fucking and talking" lol Even she realizes that this isn't one of her more meaningful songs...lol....
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Reply #13 posted 02/27/09 3:47pm

SoulAlive

This song reminds me of the Christmas season of 1990.My sister actually bought me the video single as a Christmas gift...lol...when MTV refused to show it,Madonna shrewdly released it to stores and if I'm not mistaken,it became the first "video single".Prince did the same thing a few years later with "Sexy MF".
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Reply #14 posted 02/27/09 4:36pm

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dag said:

superspaceboy said:

I was pretty risque for it's time. To show anyone of the same gender kissing in a music video or on TV for that matter was rare and I think Madonna was one of the
first to do it on video. Not to mention the lyrics of JML for the time was a big deal as I recall. Of course next up was Erotica which took the Justify My Love to a new level.

I love the Erotica album. That´s the only album of hers I go back to. I have about 3 other albums of hers that I hardly ever listen to, but I love Erotica. That´s funky.


'Erotica' is my favorite Madonna album.....TODAY lol Other times,I would say that 'Ray Of Light' is my favorite Madonna album.I go back and forth with those two albums...lol....
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Reply #15 posted 02/28/09 7:08am

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who's the dude again? the one that plays her "love" interest in the video?

i used to think that was carlos leon but it can't be, can it? she didn't
get together with him until years later, right?
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Reply #16 posted 02/28/09 8:15am

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anc282 said:

As already stated, it would've been very rude/risquee for its time.

On a personal note I used to have the 12inch, but sold it last year at a Garage Sale for a buck. I'm pretty much OVER Madonna.

Also, Ingrid Chavez wrote the lyrics with Lenny Henry - I mean Lenny Kravitz!! lol

But Madonna never gave Ingrid credit, so she sued her.

So Public Enemy weren't the only ones to take legal action against her.



Ingrid sued Lenny Kravitz, not Madonna. The song was based on a love letter that Ingrid sent Lenny, and he just took credit for it and gave it to Madonna, without telling her about the whole Ingrid Chavez thing.

And I'm also pretty sure that PE didn't sue Madonna or Kravitz (because he was the one that sampled "Security of the First World"); especially 'cause their song also had an unlicensed sample from James Brown.
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Reply #17 posted 02/28/09 8:15am

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IstenSzek said:

who's the dude again? the one that plays her "love" interest in the video?

i used to think that was carlos leon but it can't be, can it? she didn't
get together with him until years later, right?



Tony Ward. He was her fuckbuddy at the time.
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Reply #18 posted 02/28/09 9:26am

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Fury said:

and the big deal was.....?



1. The red states weren't ready for THAT kind of music video in 1989, never mind 1990. The same gender bonding was too controversial for its time.

2. Despite that they could have shown this video on cable TV after 9 PM, MTV banned the video from their network because Madonna (for the first time ever in her business relationship with MTV) refused to censor anything.
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Reply #19 posted 02/28/09 10:01am

SoulAlive

From a commercial standpoint,banning the video actually helped the song.It's a mediocre song but because of all the controversy over the video,the song went straight to Number One on the charts.Madonna used the controversy to her advantage,appearing on "Nightline",arguing that America is too conservative when it comes to sex...lol....it was fun to see her play this role.
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Reply #20 posted 02/28/09 10:14am

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SoulAlive said:

From a commercial standpoint,banning the video actually helped the song.It's a mediocre song but because of all the controversy over the video,the song went straight to Number One on the charts.Madonna used the controversy to her advantage,appearing on "Nightline",arguing that America is too conservative when it comes to sex...lol....it was fun to see her play this role.


actually, i think it's much better than just "mediocre", it's
one of those rare songs like "love...thy will be done" and a
few others that are truly hypnotic. i love it.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #21 posted 02/28/09 10:49am

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Axchi696 said:

anc282 said:

As already stated, it would've been very rude/risquee for its time.

On a personal note I used to have the 12inch, but sold it last year at a Garage Sale for a buck. I'm pretty much OVER Madonna.

Also, Ingrid Chavez wrote the lyrics with Lenny Henry - I mean Lenny Kravitz!! lol

But Madonna never gave Ingrid credit, so she sued her.

So Public Enemy weren't the only ones to take legal action against her.



Ingrid sued Lenny Kravitz, not Madonna. The song was based on a love letter that Ingrid sent Lenny, and he just took credit for it and gave it to Madonna, without telling her about the whole Ingrid Chavez thing.

And I'm also pretty sure that PE didn't sue Madonna or Kravitz (because he was the one that sampled "Security of the First World"); especially 'cause their song also had an unlicensed sample from James Brown.

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Reply #22 posted 02/28/09 10:55am

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IstenSzek said:

SoulAlive said:

From a commercial standpoint,banning the video actually helped the song.It's a mediocre song but because of all the controversy over the video,the song went straight to Number One on the charts.Madonna used the controversy to her advantage,appearing on "Nightline",arguing that America is too conservative when it comes to sex...lol....it was fun to see her play this role.


actually, i think it's much better than just "mediocre", it's
one of those rare songs like "love...thy will be done" and a
few others that are truly hypnotic. i love it.



I usually get on a Madonna kick in the summer, when my job takes me outside for a lot of sweaty, labor-intensive work and there are times when I can't listen to this song because it makes things even hotter. Not the sexuality of it, but the sound of it is the aural representation of heat waves coming off of ablacktop road.

It's so successful at evoking the feeling of heat to me that I've almost grown to dislike it because I'm usually too damn hot when I hear it anyway.
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Reply #23 posted 02/28/09 3:03pm

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All I know is she looks so goddamn beautiful in this clip. Probably the most beautiful she ever looked, after the 'Take A Bow' clip.
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Reply #24 posted 02/28/09 3:31pm

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All I know is she looks so goddamn beautiful in this clip. Probably the most beautiful she ever looked, after the 'Take A Bow' clip.


nod She's extremely sexy in that video
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Reply #25 posted 02/28/09 3:56pm

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Beautiful clip.
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Reply #26 posted 03/01/09 5:05am

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IstenSzek said:

SoulAlive said:

From a commercial standpoint,banning the video actually helped the song.It's a mediocre song but because of all the controversy over the video,the song went straight to Number One on the charts.Madonna used the controversy to her advantage,appearing on "Nightline",arguing that America is too conservative when it comes to sex...lol....it was fun to see her play this role.


actually, i think it's much better than just "mediocre", it's
one of those rare songs like "love...thy will be done" and a
few others that are truly hypnotic. i love it.

nod I love it, too. There isn't much substance, but it's downright mesmerizing. It's my 26th favorite by her. music
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Reply #27 posted 03/01/09 8:56am

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Axchi696 said:



And I'm also pretty sure that PE didn't sue Madonna or Kravitz (because he was the one that sampled "Security of the First World"); especially 'cause their song also had an unlicensed sample from James Brown.

P.E. raised all kinds of hell over that track. They were NOT cool with Madonna stealing from them. I remember several interviews where they spit venom at her and Lenny over this song. When asked about it, Lenny said "It was just a track we found laying around on the studio floor"
That was one of the things that made me dislike Lenny back then because I knew he was lying.
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Reply #28 posted 03/01/09 10:09am

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The video was hot and I loved the cinematography. Almost like a perverted 'Oh Father.' Yes, for that time it was too hot for MTV.

I have to give repsect to the audio of the Beast Within Remix though. It's disturbing and armegeddon scary lol.
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Reply #29 posted 03/01/09 11:56am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Axchi696 said:



And I'm also pretty sure that PE didn't sue Madonna or Kravitz (because he was the one that sampled "Security of the First World"); especially 'cause their song also had an unlicensed sample from James Brown.

P.E. raised all kinds of hell over that track. They were NOT cool with Madonna stealing from them. I remember several interviews where they spit venom at her and Lenny over this song. When asked about it, Lenny said "It was just a track we found laying around on the studio floor"
That was one of the things that made me dislike Lenny back then because I knew he was lying.



Never said they were cool with it, just said that they didn't sue. I just think it's funny that they were pissed at an unlicensed sample of their unlicensed sample.
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