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Reply #30 posted 02/26/09 9:38pm

EmbattledWarri
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dilwithers said:

EmbattledWarrior said:


aint nothing wrong with sampling or mixing...
it is an art in some mediums, and done a certain way...
BUT
they're not musicians
never will be...


pfft, I think you're wrong razz

your allowed to think whatever you wan't
do you know there are people on this planet that still think the world is flat?
So u think I'm gonna give a crap about some fool on the org who thinks an MPC is an instrument
hell no
I'd rather play my guitar
peace...
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With the Sunset forgetting, i ever Happened
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Reply #31 posted 02/26/09 10:00pm

dilwithers

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EmbattledWarrior said:

dilwithers said:



pfft, I think you're wrong razz

your allowed to think whatever you wan't
do you know there are people on this planet that still think the world is flat?
So u think I'm gonna give a crap about some fool on the org who thinks an MPC is an instrument
hell no
I'd rather play my guitar
peace...



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Reply #32 posted 02/26/09 10:00pm

dilwithers

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wait, is your guitar acoustic or electric?

lol
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Reply #33 posted 02/26/09 10:35pm

Ottensen

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Graycap23 said:

Someone who KNOWS of what he speaks.
Keep up the GOOD work. cool

Somebody has got to cut through the B.S.
Great mag.

tA

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We get the German edition in the mail, pity I'm losing 60% of what their saying in the translation neutral
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Reply #34 posted 02/27/09 1:18am

TonyVanDam

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theAudience said:

The threat of recession seems ever closer, when instead of folding money we have folding banks, but that doesn’t mean you can’t upgrade your studio at minimal cost — as you’ll see from our extensive feature on the subject elsewhere in this issue. In the meantime, though, let’s look at some simple techniques that you can use to improve your studio and recordings on a shoestring budget. I recently visited one of the major music companies, and was asked if I’d take half an hour to talk to their salesmen about the recording market in general, with particular regard for what might happen in the future. One of the salesmen kicked off with the age-old question about whether technology such as Auto-Tune, Melodyne and the quantise button meant that anybody could make good music. My reply was the same as ever: all these tools will let you put a performance in time and in tune, but there’s so much more to a good performance. Forcing a bad singing voice into pitch doesn’t usually result in a pleasant-sounding vocal.

Creating a good song and a good performance is just as hard as it has ever been, which is why those making music at home need to be careful not to lose touch with the musical instrument that fostered their interest in the first place. In the studio you may be able to get by being able to play no more than four bars without making a mistake, but in live performance that simply isn’t good enough.

To have something worth recording, you either need to be a reasonably good musician or a good composer with worthwhile ideas in your head — which the computer can then help you turn into reality. Trading in all your guitar practice time for dabbling with plug-ins and loops is not the way to improve your musicianship.

On a similar tack, I managed to upset a class full of music technology students on one of our college visits by saying that learning to manipulate loops of pre-recorded material wasn’t enough to make you a good recording engineer or producer. You should have seen the looks I got! Certainly, being able to do so is a worthwhile skill and, indeed, is necessary for much contemporary music production, but it is only a tiny subset of what music recording is really about. If you’re good enough to create loops of commercial quality from the ground up by recording your own instruments and those of other ‘real’ musicians, you’ll be lot closer to your goal.

Having said all that, the future will inevitably see more ‘dumbing down’ of both musicianship and recording practices. Already we see music shops stocking Guitar Hero-type musical games, which promote the idea that they’ll encourage an interest in playing the real thing. While this might be true in the case of drummers (as you need a sense of timing to play with these things), I can’t imagine many people making a smooth transition from a plastic plank with buttons that trigger somebody else’s riffs to actually learning the guitar.

So if you really want to learn how to make and record music, do yourself a favour and lock away all those sampled phrases and loops until you’ve learned to make music without them. Once you can, you’ll be able to use them in the right context, rather than as an imagined shortcut to being a ‘producer’.

Paul White - Editor In Chief

http://www.soundonsound.c...r_0309.htm
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From the March 2009 edition of...



...Sound On Sound



This is another magazine that I would gladly pay for.



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Reply #35 posted 02/27/09 3:18am

Brendan

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I agree. It helps immensely to know the rules before you break them.

But the term "musician" certainly doesn't imply quality. They range from awful to extraordinary.

And if you're good (or even extraordinary), there's nothing at all to be defensive about. smile

Even in the good old days, Jimi Hendrix wasn't nearly as popular as he should have been.

Yes, advancements are making it easier and easier everyday for unenlightened people to not only survive, but thrive.

But technology is evolving, not devolving. If popular music was suddenly overrun with bad violin playing, I wouldn't bemoan the violin.
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Reply #36 posted 02/27/09 4:31am

chuckaducci

Wait...so there's a program that comes with a button and all you have to do is press it and it'll write an entire song {drum track, base line, melodies, et al} for you?

/sarcasm


You guys sound like a bunch of Luddite crybabies - stop it. There will always be a need for well trained studio musicians (Thank God) and as certain as there is crap music being produced by numbnuts who are just using pre-programmed melodies, arpeggios and drum tracks, there are well trained musicians tweaking those same pre-sets and making quality music.
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Reply #37 posted 02/27/09 5:41am

Graycap23

EmbattledWarrior said:

Using loops never really sat well with me...
I don't even use drum loops anymore, because I just feel lazy when I use them.
I feel if your gonna call yourself a songwriter or producer.
You have to do it by yourself, without loops.
If its a question of musicianship, than just upgrade your practice time.
because a producer without any musicianship, is just a hack.
i say its ok to use loops, when your basically trying to fill up an arangement.
Once the overall skeleton of the track is complete IE, Bass, Drums, Harmony based instruments. And you feel it needs more balls, fine.
But even in that regard its still a crutch for the sloth and the untalented.

I'm amazed the people get upset with the FACTS in your comments.
I 100% agree with u.
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