bboy87 said:

Yeah, as I mentioned, he works with them whilst always, as you said, jacko's sound. Which is why it never scares me too much, who he says he is working with. Still want more shit on his own though. Or with that Buzz Kohen guy?

And I still remember an article before "dangerous" got released (I didn't read it at the time mind...) that said the whole album was with Teddy. Well, that didn't happen. And acording to Jermaine, Mike musta worked with La reid and Babyface on "dangerous" aswell (apparantly, as you probably know, Jermaine had to wait for La reid/Babyface to finish working with Michael, before they would work with him). And all those Bryan Loren tracks?

Anyway, point is, they all have different qualities. The Loren tracks I must admit do not differ much from his own album at the time. "Work that body" sounds identical to Lorens "trouble in paradise" for example.But anyway, I wanna hear them all, no matter who the producer was. I love all 3 of those teams. Only ones that scare me a little are some of those "invincible" outtakes from the late 90's. Will Smith? Puff Daddy? Bloody Dru Hill? "Invincible" coulda been atrocious LOL.

Never too sure how involved Teddy was with "dangerous". Some tracks were apparantly just overhauls of demo's by Mike with Teddy's beats over them. But the "dangerous" demo is interesting to me though. The demo has a totally different feel, but even if all Teddy did in that case was add a beat, and make it more commercial, it worked. "Remember the time" was done from the ground up apparantly. "why you wanna trip on me" seemed to be obviously written with Mike in mind, and is one of my fav tracks to this day!

Anyway, maybe Teddy didn't have that Quincy like involvement, but since "bad", Mike knows the studio better then anyone, and again, Mike is always the main man, not the producer he is working with. He is very underestimated in the stuidio. Heck, he had a pretty good teacher mind you LOL. Even "you are not alone" had him producing with Kelly and not Kelly alone (Kelly is more then capable of working by himself). Mikes always involved somewhere LOL.

Mike probably has Streisand like insticts to what exact vocal take to use, how many background voices should be used on that bridge etc... he works the studio in unique ways.

thesexofit said:

I don't know if you know Mistermaxx, but he was on a site called Okayplayer and we were talking about how although Quincy played a big factor, the main reason he was there was for his recognition, quality control, and his connections. He also talked about how Quincy kinda pressured James Ingram to give him songwriting credit for PYT although James wrote it himself

thesexofit said:

I don't know if you know Mistermaxx, but he was on a site called Okayplayer and we were talking about how although Quincy played a big factor, the main reason he was there was for his recognition, quality control, and his connections. He also talked about how Quincy kinda pressured James Ingram to give him songwriting credit for PYT although James wrote it himself

bboy87 said:

Not surprising. Cool info.

Look at the "dangerous" songwriting credits. Teddy is listed as co-writer on the demo version. How could that be possible as its clear Teddy had no involvment at that point? Greg Phillingaines is not credited on the final version. Why is this? And why is Bill Botrell on the finished Teddy version, and not listed as co-writer on the demo?

Its often complicated with Mike, and as we really know so little about how he made these songs, we'll probably never know LOL.

I know Narada Michael Walden allegedly fucked over his projege Walter Affanasief a couple of times with songwriting credits. And he is a major producer aswell.

And well prince. Yep, we know he has taken advantages for shit aswell.

regarding the 02 shows, i do not think i would even go if the show was free

it may as well be Britney Spears up there on that stage

what a freakshow

Oh shit. Greg did not co-write the "dangerous" demo. I was looking at the ultimate box set, and musta looked at "cheater" instead LOL. My fault. Sorry about that.

But that still does not explain why Teddy is listed on the demo. Bill worked on the track back then, but Teddy certainly didn't.

thesexofit said:

"Dangerous" was written by MJ and Bill. I don't know if Bill got credit for the final mix.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah, he does. I guess the new beat was enough to get Teddy on. Fair enough I guess. The demo is more unusual then the finished version, which is quite odd as demo's tend to be boring (to me) LOL

thesexofit said:

In that case, Teddy deserves credit.

Timmy84 said:

I agree and as I said, I made a mistake listen Greg P, when he wasn't on the song at all LOL. But Teddy is still listed on the early version though? Thats the point now. He could not of been on that demo (extremely unlikely), so why is he credited on the box set? I imagine whoever compiled the box set gave Teddy credit for the demo, as he gets credit for the finished recording, No big deal really. Just a little odd.

thesexofit said:

Well the Ultimate Collection liner notes were patchy at best. They credited James and Quincy for the demo version of PYT.

Timmy84 said:

What about the times they were recorded LOL. I dont need to give you examples, but some of them were way off.

Apparantly Mike wrote about 99% of "we are the world", but Lional got credit for something or other? I remember Mike being pissed off because some silly extra lines sung on the chorus as backing vox got cut LOL. Something like:

"We are the world (sha la)
We are the children (sha ling le)

Some sort of faux African thingy anyway LOL. Quincy overruled him on that one apparantly

I think you do hear it on the making of VHS, but I could be wrong? Not a big fan of the song to be honest LOL

Timmy84 said:

What about the times they were recorded LOL. I dont need to give you examples, but some of them were way off.

Apparantly Mike wrote about 99% of "we are the world", but Lional got credit for something or other? I remember Mike being pissed off because some silly extra lines sung on the chorus as backing vox got cut LOL. Something like:

"We are the world (sha la)
We are the children (sha ling le)

Some sort of faux African thingy anyway LOL. Quincy overruled him on that one apparantly

I think you do hear it on the making of VHS, but I could be wrong? Not a big fan of the song to be honest LOL

Just heard about MJ planning 30 shows at the O2 now.
What will P do to outdo this?

The new London dates are Jan/Feb.

So where is he going in Oct/Nov/Dec....?

Rest...or

my bet...NY or Tokyo.

The new London dates are Jan/Feb.

So where is he going in Oct/Nov/Dec....?

Rest...or

my bet...NY or Tokyo.

bboy87 said:

Yeah, as I mentioned, he works with them whilst always, as you said, jacko's sound. Which is why it never scares me too much, who he says he is working with. Still want more shit on his own though. Or with that Buzz Kohen guy?

And I still remember an article before "dangerous" got released (I didn't read it at the time mind...) that said the whole album was with Teddy. Well, that didn't happen. And acording to Jermaine, Mike musta worked with La reid and Babyface on "dangerous" aswell (apparantly, as you probably know, Jermaine had to wait for La reid/Babyface to finish working with Michael, before they would work with him). And all those Bryan Loren tracks?

Anyway, point is, they all have different qualities. The Loren tracks I must admit do not differ much from his own album at the time. "Work that body" sounds identical to Lorens "trouble in paradise" for example.But anyway, I wanna hear them all, no matter who the producer was. I love all 3 of those teams. Only ones that scare me a little are some of those "invincible" outtakes from the late 90's. Will Smith? Puff Daddy? Bloody Dru Hill? "Invincible" coulda been atrocious LOL.

Never too sure how involved Teddy was with "dangerous". Some tracks were apparantly just overhauls of demo's by Mike with Teddy's beats over them. But the "dangerous" demo is interesting to me though. The demo has a totally different feel, but even if all Teddy did in that case was add a beat, and make it more commercial, it worked. "Remember the time" was done from the ground up apparantly. "why you wanna trip on me" seemed to be obviously written with Mike in mind, and is one of my fav tracks to this day!

Anyway, maybe Teddy didn't have that Quincy like involvement, but since "bad", Mike knows the studio better then anyone, and again, Mike is always the main man, not the producer he is working with. He is very underestimated in the stuidio. Heck, he had a pretty good teacher mind you LOL. Even "you are not alone" had him producing with Kelly and not Kelly alone (Kelly is more then capable of working by himself). Mikes always involved somewhere LOL.

Mike probably has Streisand like insticts to what exact vocal take to use, how many background voices should be used on that bridge etc... he works the studio in unique ways.

thesexofit said:

I don't know if you know Mistermaxx, but he was on a site called Okayplayer and we were talking about how although Quincy played a big factor, the main reason he was there was for his recognition, quality control, and his connections. He also talked about how Quincy kinda pressured James Ingram to give him songwriting credit for PYT although James wrote it himself