TotalAlisa said:

What are u basing this on?

Graycap23 said:

I guess they didn't make an indian thriller and Michael is unknown around the world and James brown is so popular you have millions of people across the world in rural areas singing and dancing to his music...

This is not something to debate obviously michaels music is more influence not just black music but across the entire world. Many people do not like nor know james browns music.

motownlover said:

just because James brown influenced Michael does not mean he should be higher Michael has influenced more people than james brown

TotalAlisa said:

there are so many things wrong with this statement that i don't know where to begin

TotalAlisa said:

there are so many things wrong with this statement that i don't know where to begin

InsatiableCream said:

I'm speechless.....

Graycap23 said:

The fact that when people say that they automaically think its an isnult to james brown when in fact its not, everyone knows that james brown is a genius on his own, MJ took what he took from ames and developed it to a whole new level, its quite evident that MJ infulenced more people that james brown around the world. however, that will not degarde the influence of james brown.
[Edited 2/19/09 12:26pm]

TotalAlisa said:

What are u basing this on?

seeingvoices12 said:

Michael Jackson may be an influence in video and dance but Mj is NOT an influence in MUSIC.

TotalAlisa said:

True but you have to get this .....MJ never introduced the world to a new music genre...Bob Marley did....so his influence is greater...

LondonStyle said:

MJ introduced the world to music videos. There are more artists doing music videos than singing reggae music... so his influence is greater...

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LondonStyle said:

MJ introduced the world to music videos. There are more artists doing music videos than singing reggae music... so his influence is greater...

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speeddemon said:

Michael Jackson didn't introduce the world to music videos. MTV was a network starting off with white rock videos. Prince and MJ were among the first to break the racial barrier and be broadcast, but that was when MTV was long established.

However, MJ had some pretty revolutionary videos. I give you that.

MrSoulpower said:

People who introduce the world to music videos:
Nancy Sinatra ("These Boots Were Made for Walking")
The Beatles ("Yellow Submarine")
The Carpenters ("Please Mr. Postman")
Queen ("Bohemian Rhapsody")
...and the like.

Music videos were just ways of promotion in the 1960s and 1970s. Some have said the music video concept went back further with Elvis' jail dance scene in "Jailhouse Rock" and in some scenes of "West Side Story" and some of Fred Astaire's choreographic scenes. MJ took great classes from studying those scenes for his own videos because he saw them in films and made them "mini-films", that's what made Michael so special.

But music videos had been around for a long time. Marvin Gaye's "A Funky Space Reincarnation" had a music video too, it was one of the first videos by a black artist to air on TV. I think Rose Royce had some music videos in the '70s as did Earth, Wind & Fire (I think they were the first R&B act to do videos, not sure tho).

After MTV, music videos began to take radio's place as the dominant factor in record sales and that's where Michael and Prince come in.

Timmy84 said:

Oh, music videos have been around since there were music and film. James Brown released a state-of-the-art video clip for his song “World” in 1969. The Staple Singers had some clips in the early 1970s. But MTV was the first TV network exclusively airing music videos, and that changed everything.

MrSoulpower said:

People who introduce the world to music videos:
Nancy Sinatra ("These Boots Were Made for Walking")
The Beatles ("Yellow Submarine")
The Carpenters ("Please Mr. Postman")
Queen ("Bohemian Rhapsody")
...and the like.

Music videos were just ways of promotion in the 1960s and 1970s. Some have said the music video concept went back further with Elvis' jail dance scene in "Jailhouse Rock" and in some scenes of "West Side Story" and some of Fred Astaire's choreographic scenes. MJ took great classes from studying those scenes for his own videos because he saw them in films and made them "mini-films", that's what made Michael so special.

But music videos had been around for a long time. Marvin Gaye's "A Funky Space Reincarnation" had a music video too, it was one of the first videos by a black artist to air on TV. I think Rose Royce had some music videos in the '70s as did Earth, Wind & Fire (I think they were the first R&B act to do videos, not sure tho).

After MTV, music videos began to take radio's place as the dominant factor in record sales and that's where Michael and Prince come in.

Also black artists did have their videos play on MTV before MJ (Eddy Grant, The Bus Boys, Joan Armatrading or whatever her name is, and Herbie Hancock). R&B, funk and dance artists didn't get NO play because they felt "urban music" wasn't a big seller as so-called "guitar-driven rock music" was. They didn't play Rick James or Cameo or any of the funk acts, no hip-hop from Grandmaster Flash and Sugarhill, not even Luther Vandross got play on MTV (and I don't think he got any because his audience was the adult R&B community). Michael Jackson and Prince got in because they were marketable acts. In general though, Michael had a harder time than Prince because his music didn't fit the "rock" format that Prince's videos did though those videos of Prince's didn't get a lot of rotation though "Little Red Corvette" was the first video by a black artist to be regularly featured on MTV's playlist.

With Michael, he had being an R&B and dance artist against him plus the fact MTV only play black videos for a short period of time angered MJ and CBS so badly CBS demanded to call them out for being racist though Rick James did that a few weeks before MTV played "Billie Jean".

Compared to "Beat It" and "Thriller", the "Billie Jean" music video wasn't as revolutionary, you can say, though it did eventually become the first video by an "urban artist" to be regularly featured on MTV. After that, as MJ later said, "they kept asking for everything" and that's when the other barriers were broken where other R&B acts and hip-hop acts finally got through the door.

MJ was influential in the way he produced his music videos bringing choreography, dialogue and a story line. With the "Thriller" album, he created an album where it became a true crossover album where pop, adult contemporary, rock and R&B radio and dance clubs ALL play the tracks. That format would inspire the successes of Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Run-DMC and others.

THAT'S where MJ became very influential.
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MrSoulpower said:

Oh for real? Cool. I gotta check James' "World" now...

U can watch a video in silence, u cannot listen 2 music in silence.

James Brown - World:

http://vids.myspace.com/i...1779125080

Wow, great stuff, thanks, Soulpower!

Timmy84 said:

I don't think it's on YouTube.

Timmy84 said:

Honestly though.....none of that had 2 do with the actual MUSIC. U can watch a video in silence, u cannot listen 2 music in silence.

Graycap23 said:

Damn, droppin' a lot of wisdom today. You're in a rare form, aren't you?

MrSoulpower said:

Lol.....I've been working out.
[Edited 2/19/09 13:28pm]

Timmy84 said:

There it is! It's a funny video, especially when James sings so passionly to that older lady.
The guy with the hat is Sweet Charles Sherrell, by the way.

Graycap23 said:

Now if you could take this newly gained wisdom over to the P&R forum, we could have a great debate there.

MrSoulpower said:

It is.
But you gotta feel James.

Timmy84 said:

She certainly doesn't.

Marrk said:

Think again. He said he was tired and was using the ipod to keep alert. He never said the ipod belonged to the girl. I don't think they even had electricity in that village, so Lord knows how they would have used an ipod. And that "astounded" thing is a little off-base too. He was just saying how incredibly surreal it was to be witnessing this ancient ceremony on the one hand and to secretly have MJ blasting in his ear on the other. Bruce Parry is "astounded" in every moment of every one of his programs. It wouldn't be much of a program if he was blase about it all.

BTW, I'm not disputing MJ's worldwide popularity because that's self evident, but you misinterpreted what you saw in that program.