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PrintableTimmy84 said: LondonStyle said: Look I like Janet ...but sorry to say it but Madonna did it first... Madonna - Holiday (unreleased video) http://www.youtube.com/wa...b18uagkEi4 This is one of only a few things she can take credit for but the whole "diva" think started with her mix of pure R&B/Pop so much so they did not play her on the radio in the UK because they though she was a Black Woman ...  
Diana Ross and Dionne Warwick were the first to mix R&B and pop. Get it right.  You 100% right ...Sorry but I was talking about "modern R&B" i.e. Janet and her lot...etc..etc,,.not old school motown/soul and all that jazz...  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Timmy84 said: Marrk said: please! i was 13 in '83. i remember her getting play, The 'black girl' thing was something that came out a couple of years later, DJ's saying they were fooled etc It's an urban-legend, and it's been built upon since ever since by her knobhead fans and stupid media folk to give her credibility that is undeserved. she sure didn't sound like any black singer i ever heard at that time. In my heart, i knew she was white right enough from the get go. Never fooled, but then, i have an ear. And remind me why is that nasal singer Madonna on this thread anyway?  Exactly! 
Anyway, what's y'all list of influential R&B/hip-hop (pre-1990) artists? Wrong ...it's no urban-legend ...white singers have been doing it for ages..and I'm no madonna fan...it's got less to do with credibility and more to do with pop culture doing whats hip/cool ..what's happing to reach a wider market...Vogue anyone.. ...Ice..Ice..Baby...
It's a game the music industry has played for years....  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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bboy87 said: scriptgirl said: And again, no one can tell me WHY MJ is ahead of P on this joke of a list?
Because Michael has had a bigger impact than Prince has had in popular culture, not to mention there are places that know of Michael, but Prince is somewhat unknown Not saying Prince isn't great. He's a genius and he's one of my heroes, Michael is more known around the world. He was the performer that people like Sammy, James, Jackie, Bojangles, the Nicolas Brothers, Ethel Waters worked to see make it to that particular platform I was telling MuthaFunka and Harlepolis about this incident I had in my music literature class how my teacher underestimated Michael and Prince's influence and success but hyped up Madonna like she was Aretha Franklin 
[Edited 2/17/09 13:43pm] Your white teacher, I presume.
Anyway, this list seems a bit random. I think they just throw up some names in a meeting one afternoon and order them based on however they're feeling that moment. [Edited 2/18/09 6:02am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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bboy87 said: When you got kids in Greece and Russia buying a black man's album, that's saying something It's because his white | |
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Marrk said: Timmy84 said: Nuff said. Not quite. I was watching something on BBC2 the other night where there was this white guy, visiting a rainforest somewhere in south America, where he was visiting a tribe cut off for hundreds of miles around, Near naked folk, cutting trees and throwing logs into a river to make a living, and one girl had the 'Thriller' album on her MP3 player, he listenened to it in one ear, while listening to the tribe singing at dusk in the other, he was so amazed. That is the impact of MJ, and why he is so revered. Just to add to this MJ and Bob Marley ...you can go anywhere in the world where they have access to western music and culture and they know the image of these two...they are icons beyond music..  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Marrk said: Timmy84 said: Nuff said. Not quite. I was watching something on BBC2 the other night where there was this white guy, visiting a rainforest somewhere in south America, where he was visiting a tribe cut off for hundreds of miles around, Near naked folk, cutting trees and throwing logs into a river to make a living, and one girl had the 'Thriller' album on her MP3 player, he listenened to it in one ear, while listening to the tribe singing at dusk in the other, he was so amazed. That is the impact of MJ, and why he is so revered. I saw that program and the ipod wasn't the girl's. It was his (the British presenter's). He just decided to share it with her since she was standing next to him. MJ's influence by the way is largely an embarrassing one. He led to flashy, kiddie artists like Chris Brown, Usher and Timberfake (although Timberfake has now moved on to copying Prince). That's the kind of "influence" we could do without. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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LondonStyle said: Timmy84 said:
Diana Ross and Dionne Warwick were the first to mix R&B and pop. Get it right. You 100% right ...Sorry but I was talking about "modern R&B" i.e. Janet and her lot...etc..etc,,.not old school motown/soul and all that jazz... Based on the public's reaction (or non-reaction) to her last several recordings, Janet is probably now considered Old School. "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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kitbradley said: LondonStyle said: You 100% right ...Sorry but I was talking about "modern R&B" i.e. Janet and her lot...etc..etc,,.not old school motown/soul and all that jazz... Based on the public's reaction (or non-reaction) to her last several recordings, Janet is probably now considered Old School. Yea, Feedback is totally Old School | |
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midnightmover said: Marrk said: Not quite. I was watching something on BBC2 the other night where there was this white guy, visiting a rainforest somewhere in south America, where he was visiting a tribe cut off for hundreds of miles around, Near naked folk, cutting trees and throwing logs into a river to make a living, and one girl had the 'Thriller' album on her MP3 player, he listenened to it in one ear, while listening to the tribe singing at dusk in the other, he was so amazed. That is the impact of MJ, and why he is so revered. I saw that program and the ipod wasn't the girl's. It was his (the British presenter's). He just decided to share it with her since she was standing next to him. MJ's influence by the way is largely an embarrassing one. He led to flashy, kiddie artists like Chris Brown, Usher and Timberfake (although Timberfake has now moved on to copying Prince). That's the kind of "influence" we could do without. You're wrong, i think. It was hers, i'm sure. i'll watch it again to confirm. that's partly why he was astounded. . . [Edited 2/18/09 8:45am] |
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kitbradley said: LondonStyle said: You 100% right ...Sorry but I was talking about "modern R&B" i.e. Janet and her lot...etc..etc,,.not old school motown/soul and all that jazz... Based on the public's reaction (or non-reaction) to her last several recordings, Janet is probably now considered Old School.
"Modern R&B", huh? Can we really call it "modern R&B"? | |
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Teddy Riley? That's a joke, right? "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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LondonStyle said: Timmy84 said: Exactly!
Anyway, what's y'all list of influential R&B/hip-hop (pre-1990) artists? Wrong ...it's no urban-legend ...white singers have been doing it for ages..and I'm no madonna fan...it's got less to do with credibility and more to do with pop culture doing whats hip/cool ..what's happing to reach a wider market...Vogue anyone.. ...Ice..Ice..Baby...
It's a game the music industry has played for years.... Game my ass. You mean gimmick. | |
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bettybop said: alexnvrmnd777 said: Where in the hell is Sly & The Family Stone?? Rick James? John Coltrane? George Clinton? Surely, they are a helluva lot more "influential" than Mary J Blige, Diddy, Biggie, 2Pac, and Jay Z!!!! I'm not hatin' on hip hop, but the people I mentioned should sure as hell be above those cats!! Shit, Dr. Dre's more influential than those fuckers!
If I were them, I'd politely and humbly ask my name to be taken off the list and have the real influential artists placed on there!! Leave it to BET to fuck something else up...again.  Thank you. I'd submit Curtis Mayfield as well.
But this is BET so I can't really sweat it LOL I know, right. Curtis is actually already on there, though, at #10. | |
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what do you guys think about Marley being #1?[/quote]
Marley deserves his spot. He was influential in so much... Though Island watered him down a lot for mass market consumption... 
Anyway, he stands along the great social movers: Bob Geldof, John Lennon, etc... Let's admit, Marley IS the entire genre of reggae for a LOT of people... I mean, how many people have seen "The Harder They Come" even?? | |
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luckybullet said: what do you guys think about Marley being #1?
Marley deserves his spot. He was influential in so much... Though Island watered him down a lot for mass market consumption...
Anyway, he stands along the great social movers: Bob Geldof, John Lennon, etc... Let's admit, Marley IS the entire genre of reggae for a LOT of people... I mean, how many people have seen "The Harder They Come" even??[/quote] I have/had a three CD box set of Bob & the original Wailers' 1968-1970 recordings and they were tons better than the rock/pop-oriented reggae that Bob became famous for. | |
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thatruth said: Where's Teddy Riley???
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Timmy84 said: luckybullet said: Marley deserves his spot. He was influential in so much... Though Island watered him down a lot for mass market consumption...
Anyway, he stands along the great social movers: Bob Geldof, John Lennon, etc... Let's admit, Marley IS the entire genre of reggae for a LOT of people... I mean, how many people have seen "The Harder They Come" even?? I have/had a three CD box set of Bob & the original Wailers' 1968-1970 recordings and they were tons better than the rock/pop-oriented reggae that Bob became famous for.  [Edited 2/18/09 11:46am] | |
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: I have/had a three CD box set of Bob & the original Wailers' 1968-1970 recordings and they were tons better than the rock/pop-oriented reggae that Bob became famous for.
[Edited 2/18/09 11:46am] You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy". | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said:
[Edited 2/18/09 11:46am] You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy".  He was VERY influenced by the Motown sound. I read in an autobiography on him that that's what he was listening to. Wasn't his first group basically doing doo-wop? | |
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Actually, you'll find Curtis Mayfield's rumbling rhythmic sound and conscious lyrics were one ofthe biggest influences on the development of reggae. test | |
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SCNDLS said: Timmy84 said: You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy". He was VERY influenced by the Motown sound. I read in an autobiography on him that that's what he was listening to. Wasn't his first group basically doing doo-wop?Yep they were.
I have to agree though, there was something very Motown/soul music-esque with Bob's music. I think his influences were Smokey, Marvin, Stevie, Sam and Curtis. The Wailers were inspired by the Impressions. | |
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PFunkjazz said: Actually, you'll find Curtis Mayfield's rumbling rhythmic sound and conscious lyrics were one ofthe biggest influences on the development of reggae.
You wish. | |
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PFunkjazz said: Actually, you'll find Curtis Mayfield's rumbling rhythmic sound and conscious lyrics were one ofthe biggest influences on the development of reggae.
Yeah I hear Curtis' sound in reggae music. | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said:
[Edited 2/18/09 11:46am] You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy". | |
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midiscover said: PFunkjazz said: Actually, you'll find Curtis Mayfield's rumbling rhythmic sound and conscious lyrics were one ofthe biggest influences on the development of reggae.
You wish. No. I know. You obviously don't. test | |
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midiscover said: Timmy84 said: You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy". Seriously hear some of Mary Wells' tunes, then listen to some ska songs from that same time period and see if you agree. | |
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Timmy84 said: SCNDLS said: [Edited 2/18/09 11:46am] You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy". Quote from the Songs of Freedom box set liner notes Bob Marley, barely into his teens, moved to KIngston in the late Fifties...His friends were other street youths, also impatient with their place in Jamaican society. One friend in particular was Neville O'Riley Livingston, known as Bunny, with whom Bob took his first hesitant musical steps The two youths were fascinated by the extraordinary music they could pick up from American radio stations. In particular there was one New Orleans station broadcasting the latest tunes by such artists as Ray Charles, Ftas Domino, Curtis Mayfield and Brook Benton. Bob and Bunny also paid close attention to the black vocal groups, such as the Drifters, who were extremely popular in Jamaica. I think thats the reason so much of his music is so melodic. I played the Live at The Rainbow concert yesterday because of this thread, if you don't have it buy it. More than 30 years old and you can't help but move. | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: Timmy84 said: You know what's so funny? Every time I hear reggae/ska/rocksteady music of the '60s and then hear Motown's early music especially between 1960-1963, the sounds were very similar. I wonder who influenced whom since Bob debuted in 1962... I'm guessing Motown influenced ska music. Especially Mary Wells' Motown material pre-"My Guy". Quote from the Songs of Freedom box set liner notes Bob Marley, barely into his teens, moved to KIngston in the late Fifties...His friends were other street youths, also impatient with their place in Jamaican society. One friend in particular was Neville O'Riley Livingston, known as Bunny, with whom Bob took his first hesitant musical steps The two youths were fascinated by the extraordinary music they could pick up from American radio stations. In particular there was one New Orleans station broadcasting the latest tunes by such artists as Ray Charles, Ftas Domino, Curtis Mayfield and Brook Benton. Bob and Bunny also paid close attention to the black vocal groups, such as the Drifters, who were extremely popular in Jamaica. I think thats the reason so much of his music is so melodic. I played the Live at The Rainbow concert yesterday because of this thread, if you don't have it buy it. More than 30 years old and you can't help but move. Thanks for that. I think I saw the concert on PBS Saturday.  | |
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Marrk said: midnightmover said: I saw that program and the ipod wasn't the girl's. It was his (the British presenter's). He just decided to share it with her since she was standing next to him. MJ's influence by the way is largely an embarrassing one. He led to flashy, kiddie artists like Chris Brown, Usher and Timberfake (although Timberfake has now moved on to copying Prince). That's the kind of "influence" we could do without. You're wrong, i think. It was hers, i'm sure. i'll watch it again to confirm. that's partly why he was astounded. . . [Edited 2/18/09 8:45am] Don't take what the poster you quoted seriously, everyone knows what Mj brought to the table, even hinting to degarde Mj's infulence is a joke in itself regardless of the credibilty of the poster...lol MICHAEL JACKSON
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midnightmover said: bboy87 said: Because Michael has had a bigger impact than Prince has had in popular culture, not to mention there are places that know of Michael, but Prince is somewhat unknown Not saying Prince isn't great. He's a genius and he's one of my heroes, Michael is more known around the world. He was the performer that people like Sammy, James, Jackie, Bojangles, the Nicolas Brothers, Ethel Waters worked to see make it to that particular platform I was telling MuthaFunka and Harlepolis about this incident I had in my music literature class how my teacher underestimated Michael and Prince's influence and success but hyped up Madonna like she was Aretha Franklin
[Edited 2/17/09 13:43pm] Your white teacher, I presume.
Anyway, this list seems a bit random. I think they just throw up some names in a meeting one afternoon and order them based on however they're feeling that moment. [Edited 2/18/09 6:02am] I wasn't going to say it..... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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