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Thread started 02/24/09 3:11pm

JasonWill1980

Is it too difficult for artists to make great music?

Do you think it's too difficult in this day and age for artists to make great music especially in pop?
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Reply #1 posted 02/24/09 3:34pm

Bishop31

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No, it's not difficult for an Artist to make good music. It's difficult to get "good" music played on the Radio. mad
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Reply #2 posted 02/24/09 3:36pm

Timmy84

Bishop31 said:

No, it's not difficult for an Artist to make good music. It's difficult to get "good" music played on the Radio. mad


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Reply #3 posted 02/24/09 3:38pm

Woobie

That's why I prefer underground.
You can't help who you love.
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Reply #4 posted 02/24/09 4:01pm

Adisa

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lol
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #5 posted 02/24/09 4:05pm

TonyVanDam

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Bishop31 said:

No, it's not difficult for an Artist to make good music. It's difficult to get "good" music played on the Radio. mad


F*** Clear Channel Communications for THAT crap.
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Reply #6 posted 02/24/09 4:14pm

diamondpearl1

Erykah talked about this on Def Poetry.....

"Friends, Fans and Artists"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...mM-4PO9Kx0
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Reply #7 posted 02/24/09 4:15pm

superspaceboy

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No. I know of plenty of artists still making good pop.

It's wading through all the junk to get and find it is all.

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #8 posted 02/24/09 4:18pm

eugnj420

Bishop31 said:

No, it's not difficult for an Artist to make good music. It's difficult to get "good" music played on the Radio. mad


Thank God for Sirius XM, Music Choice, and select internet radio.
If I was relegated to whatever overproduced, underwritten payola garbage ClearChannel and their ilk have been spewing forth for years, I wouldn't listen to new music at all.
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Reply #9 posted 02/24/09 4:19pm

Timmy84

eugnj420 said:

Bishop31 said:

No, it's not difficult for an Artist to make good music. It's difficult to get "good" music played on the Radio. mad


Thank God for Sirius XM, Music Choice, and select internet radio.
If I was relegated to whatever overproduced, underwritten payola garbage ClearChannel and their ilk have been spewing forth for years, I wouldn't listen to new music at all.


That's why we have the internet.

whistle "Internet killed the radio star..." whistle
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Reply #10 posted 02/24/09 4:20pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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No. This country has been dumbed down in so many ways.
2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740
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Reply #11 posted 02/24/09 4:50pm

thatruth

JasonWill1980 said:

Do you think it's too difficult in this day and age for artists to make great music especially in pop?


Honestly, yes when it comes to pop and r&b. Two reasons. The foundation is totally different today than it was years ago. Back then, artists had to pay dues (sing backup/session vocalist, staff writing/producing, session musicians, touring with a band, etc.) before they "made it big". Now the focus of artist today is to be seen and known, not the music. Also, sadly you have to factor in money. The biz always had issues with not paying their artist but since folks started learning about points & royalties, they're setting up their own "companies" (aka web sites, Facebook/Myspace pages) and the only people that knows about their music is their family and best friends, and frankly their music is crap.
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Reply #12 posted 02/24/09 4:53pm

Anxiety

i was thinking about this question just this afternoon.

i think when an artist or a band doesn't think anyone is listening anyway, and when those artists have to be resourceful rather than having the money to do whatever they like, it's a better scenario for taking risks and creating unique music.

when you have tons of money and resources and everyone wants to work with you and you have pressure to be polished and perfect, and when you just plain aren't HUNGRY anymore, i think you lose that edge that made you popular in the first place.
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Reply #13 posted 02/24/09 4:57pm

tamewar

I think the question should be what is Great Music?
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Reply #14 posted 02/24/09 7:02pm

CynicKill

Unfortunately I think youth helps. Artists like George Michael, Madonna, Prince and Stevie Wonder just don't have the energy, drive, ego or "currency" to put out music like they once did. Prince and Stevie in particular are way too polished in ways they never were in their heyday.
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Reply #15 posted 02/24/09 7:06pm

Anxiety

CynicKill said:

Unfortunately I think youth helps. Artists like George Michael, Madonna, Prince and Stevie Wonder just don't have the energy, drive, ego or "currency" to put out music like they once did. Prince and Stevie in particular are way too polished in ways they never were in their heyday.


i'd love a music answer to the dogme movie movement, where directors are forced to make films with the bare essentials. could you imagine putting prince in a very simple studio with just a few instruments and giving him the challenge of creating a quick and dirty album, and he could NOT do any editing or overdubs? just something really raw and scrappy?

i almost kinda feel like that's exactly what he did with 'the undertaker', and i love those recordings.
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Reply #16 posted 02/24/09 7:09pm

Timmy84

CynicKill said:

Unfortunately I think youth helps. Artists like George Michael, Madonna, Prince and Stevie Wonder just don't have the energy, drive, ego or "currency" to put out music like they once did. Prince and Stevie in particular are way too polished in ways they never were in their heyday.


I was surprised with how raw Stevie's "Where I'm Coming From" and "Music of My Mind" albums were. Even "Talking Book", "Innervisions" and "Fullfillingness' First Finale" had an edge that you don't get anymore with his other albums, lol. Same with Prince's early material vs. his current.
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Reply #17 posted 02/25/09 5:48am

SoulAlive

CynicKill said:

Unfortunately I think youth helps. Artists like George Michael, Madonna, Prince and Stevie Wonder just don't have the energy, drive, ego or "currency" to put out music like they once did. Prince and Stevie in particular are way too polished in ways they never were in their heyday.


So true.With few exceptions,most artists make their most impressive music when they are young and "hungry".....anxious to show the world what they are capable of.Prince made his best music in the 80s and Stevie made his best music in the 70s.After many years of making incredible music,they simply lose that "spark" and the inspiration runs dry.It happens to every artist.I am very realistic when it comes to music from my favorite artists.I don't expect brilliance everytime.I don't expect them to top what they've done before.It ain't gonna happen.
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Reply #18 posted 02/25/09 11:18am

Marrk

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SoulAlive said:

CynicKill said:

Unfortunately I think youth helps. Artists like George Michael, Madonna, Prince and Stevie Wonder just don't have the energy, drive, ego or "currency" to put out music like they once did. Prince and Stevie in particular are way too polished in ways they never were in their heyday.


So true.With few exceptions,most artists make their most impressive music when they are young and "hungry".....anxious to show the world what they are capable of.Prince made his best music in the 80s and Stevie made his best music in the 70s.After many years of making incredible music,they simply lose that "spark" and the inspiration runs dry.It happens to every artist.I am very realistic when it comes to music from my favorite artists.I don't expect brilliance everytime.I don't expect them to top what they've done before.It ain't gonna happen.


But isn't that just lazy? couldn't they at least try?

If i behaved like that in my job, i'd be out of the door for resting on my laurels.
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Reply #19 posted 02/25/09 11:20am

novabrkr

Woobie said:

That's why I prefer underground.


Me, I just keep the blinds shut.
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Reply #20 posted 02/25/09 11:50am

SoulAlive

Marrk said:

SoulAlive said:



So true.With few exceptions,most artists make their most impressive music when they are young and "hungry".....anxious to show the world what they are capable of.Prince made his best music in the 80s and Stevie made his best music in the 70s.After many years of making incredible music,they simply lose that "spark" and the inspiration runs dry.It happens to every artist.I am very realistic when it comes to music from my favorite artists.I don't expect brilliance everytime.I don't expect them to top what they've done before.It ain't gonna happen.


But isn't that just lazy? couldn't they at least try?

If i behaved like that in my job, i'd be out of the door for resting on my laurels.


No,I don't think they're lazy.I just don't think they're capable of going to those artistic heights ever again.It's a different day and time.We won't see another album like "Songs In The Key Of Life" in this era.
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Reply #21 posted 02/25/09 2:09pm

vainandy

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Bishop31 said:

No, it's not difficult for an Artist to make good music. It's difficult to get "good" music played on the Radio. mad


First they have to pass the difficult obstacle of landing a record deal with a major label. If they do happen to slip through the cracks on a small independent label, then radio is there to take up the slack of the major labels by keeping them unknown and unsuccessful. They have all their bases covered. Nothing must overthrow shit hop....ever. Unless it's something cheaper to make.

And nowadays, television is using the same cheap formula with the reality shows. As long as most of the newer generation is happy with extremely cheap entertainment, the media is going to continue to provide it and make damn sure nothing threatens to overthrow it.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #22 posted 02/25/09 2:11pm

vainandy

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tamewar said:

I think the question should be what is Great Music?


Funk. The whole funk. And nothing but the funk.

Funk should always be standing on the top.....

Funk...we want the funk
We want the funk (We want the funk)
And nothing else will do hoo hooooo

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[Edited 2/25/09 14:15pm]
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #23 posted 02/25/09 4:50pm

angel345

vainandy said:



First they have to pass the difficult obstacle of landing a record deal with a major label. If they do happen to slip through the cracks on a small independent label, then radio is there to take up the slack of the major labels by keeping them unknown and unsuccessful. They have all their bases covered. Nothing must overthrow shit hop....ever. Unless it's something cheaper to make.

And nowadays, television is using the same cheap formula with the reality shows. As long as most of the newer generation is happy with extremely cheap entertainment, the media is going to continue to provide it and make damn sure nothing threatens to overthrow it.

Then, that explains it. I remember when you told me that black artists can't get a contract unless they're doing hip-hop. Music and tv has went to the gutter.
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